2021-22 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread V2.0

[Spida888]

Morning all, Bulls fan in peace. I have posted here before and have exchanged some trade ideas with your forum. I wasted to ask since Imhave rad the Raps might entertain a retool this off season if OG is off limits? If not would a package centered around PWill & an FRP be enough to get the convo started?
Lastly, how well does OG defend 4's with his length, lateral movement, and quickness?

While I tend to think that OG may be the guy moved to address some positional fit issues eventually;

I am not sure if Masai and Co opt to deal OG till the FVV and GTJ situations are resolved. Both guys can opt out next summer, whereas OG is on a pretty reasonable deal for two more full seasons.

In theory, if you lose FVV and GTJ (unlikely yet possible) next summer and you are somewhat forced into a rebuild I would imagine you could get a pretty respectable building package for OG rather than moving now for a re-tool package.

As for PWill and FRPs, I think you are in the ballpark value-wise;
The issue for the moment is how do you play OG, Siakam and Barnes at the same time, I think a PWill / OG swap creates a similar discussion if PWill continues to develop.

I would love OG as he could step in as our 4 and guard most 4's with his athletism, length, & lateral movement.
As Ujari never gets fleeced I think he would demand PWill, maybe 2 FRP's, and Ayo (instead of Coby) who has been incredible as a rook. That would be a deal breaker for us as our VP is just as saavy.
Have you guys seen Ayo lately? He is incredible and has great value as a 2nd round pick.

Ayo has looked good, great job on that pick.

As for the trade proposal, I wouldn't do it from the Raptors perspective. Masai really values both OG and Precious, both are young, and they are a couple of our best defenders. If we trade OG it would probably be for an immediate upgrade rather than a rebuilding move. If we go for a rebuild, I see us trading Pascal/Fred before trading OG.

Since you watch the Bulls a lot more, what do you think of PWill? I was higher on him before, but I'm not sure anymore. Is his greatest strength his defense? What do you think about his shooting touch/general bball IQ?

[Mr Swagtastic]

Morning all, Bulls fan in peace. I have posted here before and have exchanged some trade ideas with your forum. I wasted to ask since Imhave rad the Raps might entertain a retool this off season if OG is off limits? If not would a package centered around PWill & an FRP be enough to get the convo started?
Lastly, how well does OG defend 4's with his length, lateral movement, and quickness?

I doubt he is off limits. But at the same time, I don't know if Toronto and Chicago are good trade partners. Toronto, unless there is a change of strategy this offseason, will not rebuild and Anunoby is not old and under contract until 2024. Maybe there is a change of strategy this offseason and maybe they do value PW (in this case I would guess in a package with AD) as a future star (I would believe they value him because he fits what they are usually looking for) but at this point I think it would be unlikely and Toronto would much rather package Anunoby for an immediate upgrade.

His calling cards are his versatility and his perimeter defense. You can put him on PFs as he is a strong, physical player but he isn't some rim protector and I would much rather use him as a wing stopper. But he has been defending big men about 30-35% of the time this year and done a decent job, so you can use him that way.

I'd even be tempted to do something like this:

Toronto out: OG Anunoby, Precious Achiuwa
Toronto in: Patrick Williams, Coby White, Bulls 2022 FRP (20-25 range), 2nd 2022 FRP from Bulls (16-20 range)

Bulls in: OG Anunoby, Precious Achiuw
Bulls out: PWill, Coby White, 2 FRP's

That's worse. Idk if I do OG Anunoby for Patrick Williams plus the picks. Toronto moved a pick in this draft to get rid of Goran Dragic to get Thad Young. I doubt Masai wants to move a infinity better player in Anunoby plus Achiuwa who he really likes and has been improving a lot of Toronto just to get Colby White, Williams and picks in the late teens early 20's.

[C-R-E-A-M-]

are there Sabonis-for-Haliburton style trades out there that we can pursue in the offseason? With the idea of creating a young, high-ceiling core to build a contender with.

Kuminga

[Psubs]

are there Sabonis-for-Haliburton style trades out there that we can pursue in the offseason? With the idea of creating a young, high-ceiling core to build a contender with.

Kuminga

For Precious and the Detroit 2nd round pick?

PG Curry - GPII
SG Poole - Wiggins
SF Klay - Wiggins - Moody
PF Precious - Draymond
C Draymond - Wiseman

[Madhouse]

are there Sabonis-for-Haliburton style trades out there that we can pursue in the offseason? With the idea of creating a young, high-ceiling core to build a contender with.

Kuminga

For Precious and the Detroit 2nd round pick?

PG Curry - GPII
SG Poole - Wiggins
SF Klay - Wiggins - Moody
PF Precious - Draymond
C Draymond - Wiseman

No, for Siakam

[Morris_Shatford]

Assuming the Suns are open to moving DeAndre Ayton and are looking for win now players;
What does a maxed out and extended Ayton cost via S&T?

[Psubs]

Kuminga

For Precious and the Detroit 2nd round pick?

PG Curry - GPII
SG Poole - Wiggins
SF Klay - Wiggins - Moody
PF Precious - Draymond
C Draymond - Wiseman

No, for Siakam

So Kuminga, Wiseman, Moody for Siakam, Flynn and Svi?

[Spida888]

For Precious and the Detroit 2nd round pick?

PG Curry - GPII
SG Poole - Wiggins
SF Klay - Wiggins - Moody
PF Precious - Draymond
C Draymond - Wiseman

No, for Siakam

So Kuminga, Wiseman, Moody for Siakam, Flynn and Svi?

To match salary, GSW would have to include Wiggs. Kuminga looked better as of late, and their owner is pretty fond of him. Don't think they give him up easily.

[Raptors_128]

Assuming the Suns are open to moving DeAndre Ayton and are looking for win now players;
What does a maxed out and extended Ayton cost via S&T?

He’s gotta want to come here in a sign-and-trade but maybe something like this makes sense?

Raps get: Ayton + 2023 Kings 1st + 2025 Kings 1st + 2 pick swaps from the Kings
Kings get: Siakam + Birch
Suns get: Barnes + Holmes + 2022/2023 Raps 1st

Or

During the draft:
Raps get: $40 mill TPE + 8th pick + 2024 Blazers 1st + 2026 Blazers 1st + 2 pick swaps from the Blazers
Blazers get: Siakam + Birch

After the draft:
Raps get: Ayton
Suns get: $30 mill TPE + Achiuwa + 2022/2023 Raps 1st + 2024 Blazers 1st

[BlazersBroncos]

Raps get: $40 mill TPE + 8th pick + 2024 Blazers 1st + 2026 Blazers 1st + 2 pick swaps from the Blazers
Blazers get: Siakam + Birch

I really dont think Pascal is worth a Top-10 picks, 2 future FRP's and 2 swaps.

I would give both 2022 FRPs, but none of the future stuff.

[Psubs]

Birch and Svi for Kemba. Maybe the Knicks don't want to pay Robinson and can just play Noel and have Birch back him up.

Maybe they sign and trade Robinson?

Hmmmmm,

FVV, Birch and 2nd pick (Detroit) for Fournier, Robinson (S&T) and 2022 1st pick (if not in top 4)?

[bboyskinnylegs]

Birch and Svi for Kemba. Maybe the Knicks don't want to pay Robinson and can just play Noel and have Birch back him up.

Maybe they sign and trade Robinson?

Hmmmmm,

FVV, Birch and 2nd pick (Detroit) for Fournier, Robinson (S&T) and 2022 1st pick (if not in top 4)?

I think that's really selling low on Freddy.

[Morris_Shatford]

Bruce Brown is the sort of unspectacular yet does a little bit of everything type of guy that would be a nice option off the bench.

[wegotthabeet]

If PDX ends up with #6, does that get OG or Pascal?

are there Sabonis-for-Haliburton style trades out there that we can pursue in the offseason? With the idea of creating a young, high-ceiling core to build a contender with.

Siakam for Shaedon Sharpe with the 6th pick. High risk, high reward type move.

[Madhouse]

If PDX ends up with #6, does that get OG or Pascal?

are there Sabonis-for-Haliburton style trades out there that we can pursue in the offseason? With the idea of creating a young, high-ceiling core to build a contender with.

Siakam for Shaedon Sharpe with the 6th pick. High risk, high reward type move.

I would not turn down the 6th overall for OG and the chance at Sharpe/Mathurin/Griffin, maybe you could even move up and secure Ivey.

[wegotthabeet]

If PDX ends up with #6, does that get OG or Pascal?

are there Sabonis-for-Haliburton style trades out there that we can pursue in the offseason? With the idea of creating a young, high-ceiling core to build a contender with.

Siakam for Shaedon Sharpe with the 6th pick. High risk, high reward type move.

I would not turn down the 6th overall for OG and the chance at Sharpe/Mathurin/Griffin, maybe you could even move up and secure Ivey.

Would prefer to keep Barnes & OG, but I agree there are some nice prospects in that range.

[LBJKB24MJ23]

No, for Siakam

So Kuminga, Wiseman, Moody for Siakam, Flynn and Svi?

To match salary, GSW would have to include Wiggs. Kuminga looked better as of late, and their owner is pretty fond of him. Don't think they give him up easily.

if they don't win a championship this year, they might get desperate. Siakam needs to play well in the playoffs, though. Raptors won't trade Siakam unless its a big haul of players they want.

[CanadaB-Ball]

If PDX ends up with #6, does that get OG or Pascal?

are there Sabonis-for-Haliburton style trades out there that we can pursue in the offseason? With the idea of creating a young, high-ceiling core to build a contender with.

Siakam for Shaedon Sharpe with the 6th pick. High risk, high reward type move.

I would not turn down the 6th overall for OG and the chance at Sharpe/Mathurin/Griffin, maybe you could even move up and secure Ivey.

I would absolutely turn down OG for Mathurin. Shaedon or AJG? That would be tougher, but I’m also significantly higher on Shaedon and AJG than the consensus (their consensus draft slots, anyway).

The truth is, we likely won’t get a better player with the 6th pick than OG. It’s possible, but the probability is only greater than infinitesimal because OG’s out of commission fairly regularly. When he’s healthy, he’s pretty comfortably in the top-100, and he offers a pretty valuable and rare skill set when he plays within his ideal role.

[Ell Curry]

are there Sabonis-for-Haliburton style trades out there that we can pursue in the offseason? With the idea of creating a young, high-ceiling core to build a contender with.

Okongwu seems like the closest to Haliburton in that we know his good and his team might be willing to deal him to get better immediately (though I'm sure they'd rather just move Capela), but I'm not sure how to make a deal work, really.

[CANsportsguru]

If PDX ends up with #6, does that get OG or Pascal?

are there Sabonis-for-Haliburton style trades out there that we can pursue in the offseason? With the idea of creating a young, high-ceiling core to build a contender with.

Siakam for Shaedon Sharpe with the 6th pick. High risk, high reward type move.

Lol. Siakam has a lot more value than that.