Pascal is on the brink of SUPERSTARDOM...

ItsDanger · Post #321 » by **ItsDanger** » Mon Dec 12, 2022 2:52 am

YogurtProducer wrote:
ItsDanger wrote:LOL, Bosh was excellent post scorer. WTF are you talking about? Couldn't give him the ball? LMAO.

He is not nearly as good in isolation/post as Siakam is right now.

This revisionist history needs to stop. Bosh was never a dude you fed the post like an Embiid. He could not initiate offense, he could not take over games regularly, he was not a great playmaker out of the post either. He had more than 7 assists in a game twice in his career. Siakam right now averages 7.1apgg

Despite all that! Bosh was still a great player!

Edit: at his absolute peak, Bosh scored an unassisted bucket 4.36 times per game. Siakam this season is doing that 6.64 times per game (these are only 2 point shots, completely ignoring the 3, but if I did not it would just benefit Siakam more).

Doing that math, thats 4.5ppg more per game Siakam is averaging unassisted, and that is also ignoring free throws which could also be the result of an unassisted possession. Siakam is just on another planet as a primary scorer than Bosh ever was man, I am sorry.

Bosh was better on the low block. Siakam is better at the top. Like most post scorers, Bosh needed the ball fed to him. Bosh had an assortment of go to moves in the post. I'd take Bosh down low every time. Siakam has more variety in his game off drives. Don't confuse the two.

will · Post #322 » by **will** » Mon Dec 19, 2022 2:51 am

Some fun takes in this.

ItsDanger · Post #323 » by **ItsDanger** » Mon Dec 19, 2022 3:03 am

Siakam is at best a #2. No #1 option takes inefficient shots like he's doing out there.

pingpongrac · Post #324 » by **pingpongrac** » Mon Dec 19, 2022 3:24 am

ItsDanger wrote:Siakam is at best a #2. No #1 option takes inefficient shots like he's doing out there.

That's literally what #1 options do more than anyone else lol. They take tougher shots, especially when their team is going through a rough patch and missing some of their other top offensive options.

ItsDanger · Post #325 » by **ItsDanger** » Mon Dec 19, 2022 3:28 am

pingpongrac wrote:
ItsDanger wrote:Siakam is at best a #2. No #1 option takes inefficient shots like he's doing out there.
That's literally what #1 options do more than anyone else lol. They take tougher shots, especially when their team is going through a rough patch and missing some of their other top offensive options.

WTF. OK, No serious playoff contending #1 option. Otherwise you're just a chucker with no limitations.

Basketball_Jones · Post #326 » by **Basketball_Jones** » Mon Dec 19, 2022 3:28 am

I think he’s taken another step this season. That consistency is there now, a nightly triple double threat. He’s just not ever going to be that go to scorer, but hey I think we all expected that and just hoped for the best. You get a couple of other guys that can score like he can and spread it around. OG and Scottie someday?

DelAbbot · Post #327 » by **DelAbbot** » Mon Dec 19, 2022 5:40 am

if he makes all nba and wants a supermax I don't see how he can fit. If he doesn't make it and extends at the same max as today, then it's worth it.

(don't reply to me about new TV deal)

GoRapstheoriginal · Post #328 » by **GoRapstheoriginal** » Thu Dec 22, 2022 2:50 am

Just bumping this to the 1st page

YogurtProducer · Post #329 » by **YogurtProducer** » Thu Dec 22, 2022 3:01 am

Pascal “not a number 1 option” Siakam

Kingsway_fan · Post #330 » by **Kingsway_fan** » Thu Dec 22, 2022 3:03 am

ItsDanger wrote:Siakam is at best a #2. No #1 option takes inefficient shots like he's doing out there.

He's shooting a team best 49 percent this year...

LoveMyRaps · Post #331 » by **LoveMyRaps** » Thu Dec 22, 2022 3:11 am

Best part about balling out at the Mecca like that is all the media coverage he's gonna get...

Brinbe · Post #332 » by **Brinbe** » Thu Dec 22, 2022 3:14 am

amazing game in MSG. career highlight for Pascal.

Truly becoming a heliocentric star. Need shooters around him in the worst way to make defenses pay for doubling him.

DreamTeam09 · Post #333 » by **DreamTeam09** » Thu Dec 22, 2022 3:20 am

This 50 burger for him was pretty easy. It's not like he did things he normally doesn't do, just played a regular Pascal game.

TravisScott55 · Post #334 » by **TravisScott55** » Thu Dec 22, 2022 3:48 am

Played like a superstar tonight

raincityraptors · Post #335 » by **raincityraptors** » Thu Dec 22, 2022 4:03 am

He isn't on the brink anymore.

KrazyP · Post #336 » by **KrazyP** » Thu Dec 22, 2022 4:55 am

ItsDanger wrote:Siakam is at best a #2. No #1 option takes inefficient shots like he's doing out there.

Put some legitimate shooters around him and a lot of those “inefficient shots” would likely go away.

Right now his only choice is to either force the issue against multiple defenders or pass out to guys who can’t shoot worth a lick.

The opposing defense pays no attention at all to guys like Boucher, Thad, Bo Cruz hanging out at the 3 pt line. The spacing is dreadful which makes what pascal is doing all the more impressive.

JB7 · Post #337 » by **JB7** » Thu Dec 22, 2022 5:13 am

Ok, since Siakam has returned from his injury (first game back was against the Cavs on Nov. 28th), and as well as he has played, the teams record over that time is 4-9. And the next 8 are against: Cavs, Clippers, Griz, Suns, Pacers, Bucks, Knicks and Blazers (generally all teams well above .500). The Raps record at that point (since Siakam's return) could be like 5-16.

So either the whole team around him sucks. Or his play is not actually elevating his team to win. Either way, it screams trade him now, while his value seems to be peaking, because if the team does suck that much, adding a player here or there is not going to do much to shift the overall performance of this team.

ItsDanger · Post #338 » by **ItsDanger** » Thu Dec 22, 2022 5:16 am

JB7 wrote:Ok, since Siakam has returned from his injury (first game back was against the Cavs on Nov. 28th), and as well as he has played, the teams record over that time is 4-9. And the next 8 are against: Cavs, Clippers, Griz, Suns, Pacers, Bucks, Knicks and Blazers (generally all teams well above .500). The Raps record at that point (since Siakam's return) could be like 5-16.

So either the whole team around him sucks. Or his play is not actually elevating his team to win. Either way, it screams trade him now, while his value seems to be peaking, because if the team does suck that much, adding a player here or there is not going to do much to shift the overall performance of this team.

If I were management, I'd be concerned about the regression of the other guys on offense. Hmm.

JB7 · Post #339 » by **JB7** » Thu Dec 22, 2022 5:39 am

ItsDanger wrote:
JB7 wrote:Ok, since Siakam has returned from his injury (first game back was against the Cavs on Nov. 28th), and as well as he has played, the teams record over that time is 4-9. And the next 8 are against: Cavs, Clippers, Griz, Suns, Pacers, Bucks, Knicks and Blazers (generally all teams well above .500). The Raps record at that point (since Siakam's return) could be like 5-16.

So either the whole team around him sucks. Or his play is not actually elevating his team to win. Either way, it screams trade him now, while his value seems to be peaking, because if the team does suck that much, adding a player here or there is not going to do much to shift the overall performance of this team.

If I were management, I'd be concerned about the regression of the other guys on offense. Hmm.

Management might not be as concerned about the other guys production, if the players they are looking to deal are Pascal and Fred.

Johnny Bball · Post #340 » by **Johnny Bball** » Thu Dec 22, 2022 6:01 am

ItsDanger wrote:
JB7 wrote:Ok, since Siakam has returned from his injury (first game back was against the Cavs on Nov. 28th), and as well as he has played, the teams record over that time is 4-9. And the next 8 are against: Cavs, Clippers, Griz, Suns, Pacers, Bucks, Knicks and Blazers (generally all teams well above .500). The Raps record at that point (since Siakam's return) could be like 5-16.

So either the whole team around him sucks. Or his play is not actually elevating his team to win. Either way, it screams trade him now, while his value seems to be peaking, because if the team does suck that much, adding a player here or there is not going to do much to shift the overall performance of this team.

If I were management, I'd be concerned about the regression of the other guys on offense. Hmm.

Doubling down on takes that make people just say Wtf.