The Gradey Dick Thread Part 2

[WaltFrazier]

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You cannot tell me that Dick is not even among top 30 rookies

Do you think he has shown he belongs?

Two of those guys at least were drafted after Gradey. Jaquez and Podziemski would be doing wonders for our team now, by being productive rotation players. Who else did we miss out on? What a disaster our scouting has become

[Los_29]

I’m usually not the guy that does this, but, Jaquez was incredible tonight. Podz filled up the stat sheet too with a nice well rounded game.

[C_Money]

If Masai is in win-now mode he should have drafted a 4 year senior like Jacquez.

[GreatWhiteStiff]

I’m usually not the guy that does this, but, Jaquez was incredible tonight. Podz filled up the stat sheet too with a nice well rounded game.

NO YOU ARE USUALLY NOT THAT GUY LOS, NOT THAT GUY AT ALL.

[agkagk]

Lack of Core strength has proven to be a big issue

[MiamiSPX]

I’m usually not the guy that does this, but, Jaquez was incredible tonight. Podz filled up the stat sheet too with a nice well rounded game.

I know the counter argument is usually the tiresome "yeah but X number of teams also missed on him". The thing is, we shouldn't care about other teams. We should only care about our team, whose biggest strength has always been drafting.

Dick may very well turn out, but I do think it's safe to already say the Raps didn't "nail this pick". He was easily among the worst players in the entire league to see court time this year, and is at least 2 years away from contributing in any meaningful way (if he ever does). I still have hopes for him, but it's mainly because what else are we going to do lol?

[lobosloboslobos]

How the hell does anyone have any idea what Dick can provide given that our coach seems to have destroyed his confidence? Even when he gave us good minutes early in the year and was showing speedy elite movement both on ball and off our coach could only ever say that 'he needed to slow the game down'. Then Dennis made a point of never passing to him, he missed some shots, got benched and clearly the whole thing just snowballed.

In our last pre-season game he went 4 for 5 from deep.

then Game 1 of his career he played 2 minutes and went 0 for 1
Game 2 he played 5 minutes and went 0 for 2
Game 3 he finally played real minutes (28) and had 16/2/1 on 4-6 from 3, although he did get 5 fouls
Game 4 he payed 20 mins and went 2-7 from the field but had 6 rebounds and 2 steals
Game 5 he played 20 mins and had a rough night going 2-10 against Milwaukee

immediately after that is when Darko put him on a tight leash, just 5 games into his rookie season. in the next 4 games he played 47 minutes and had a total of 9 FGA.

Finally in Game 10 he got back to 24 minutes and played pretty well, going 3-4 (2-3 from deep) with 4 rbds (3 offensive) and 2 ast.

So Darko gave him a little rope in the next game, again against Milwaukee, and again he went 2-10 against a tough veteran defence.

Since that game Dick has played a total of 17 minutes in the past 15 games.

All this talk about how Gradey sucks is really just a way of saying our coach has sucked. Dick showed totally legit flashes of skill and usefulness, especially for a 19 year old, but how the hell do we know what we have when Darko doesn't like what he brings and has no interest in him?

[PhilBlackson]

How the hell does anyone have any idea what Dick can provide given that our coach seems to have destroyed his confidence? Even when he gave us good minutes early in the year and was showing speedy elite movement both on ball and off our coach could only ever say that 'he needed to slow the game down'. Then Dennis made a point of never passing to him, he missed some shots, got benched and clearly the whole thing just snowballed.

In our last pre-season game he went 4 for 5 from deep.

then Game 1 of his career he played 2 minutes and went 0 for 1
Game 2 he played 5 minutes and went 0 for 2
Game 3 he finally played real minutes (28) and had 16/2/1 on 4-6 from 3, although he did get 5 fouls
Game 4 he payed 20 mins and went 2-7 from the field but had 6 rebounds and 2 steals
Game 5 he played 20 mins and had a rough night going 2-10 against Milwaukee

immediately after that is when Darko put him on a tight leash, just 5 games into his rookie season. in the next 4 games he played 47 minutes and had a total of 9 FGA.

Finally in Game 10 he got back to 24 minutes and played pretty well, going 3-4 (2-3 from deep) with 4 rbds (3 offensive) and 2 ast.

So Darko gave him a little rope in the next game, again against Milwaukee, and again he went 2-10 against a tough veteran defence.

Since that game Dick has played a total of 17 minutes in the past 15 games.

All this talk about how Gradey sucks is really just a way of saying our coach has sucked. Dick showed totally legit flashes of skill and usefulness, especially for a 19 year old, but how the hell do we know what we have when Darko doesn't like what he brings and has no interest in him?

What a lame excuse. He’s been awful even with ample playing time in the G-League. You’re acting like multiple players of ours over the years weren’t essentially forced to go play there to try & earn their way back on to a NBA court (ie/ Pascal, Fred, Norm etc) and they all responded by dominating there. Gradey on the other hand has continued to look underwhelming. That’s not the coach’s fault, that’s his own.

Whether that’s his “confidence” or not adding enough to his game, it’s on himself to step up. The coach can’t hit the jumpers for him. We’ve seen other prospects on different teams struggle to get playing time but go to the G-League and light it up (ie Hardy last year, Walker this year). I’m not a fan of Darko as a coach either but pointing the finger at him is a poor excuse, we’ve seen Gradey brick multiple good looks when he was playing in real games and he’s only continued that trend in extended playing time in the G-League.

[manjusaka]

I’m not making excuses for Dick but the moment someone decided to alter Dick’s shooting forms, that just doomed his rookie season. It took Barnes three seasons to finally turn it around. Not sure when Dick can do the same. At the moment, Dick is a pure shooting prospect without shooting. This sounds so horrendously.

[HumbleRen]

I’m not making excuses for Dick but the moment someone decided to alter Dick’s shooting forms, that just doomed his rookie season. It took Barnes three seasons to finally turn it around. Not sure when Dick can do the same. At the moment, Dick is a pure shooting prospect without shooting. This sounds so horrendously.

They didn’t alter his form. Gradey confirmed that it was fake.

[PushDaRock]

You really can't get too upset about missing on Jacquez. He really wasn't rated as a likely option in our pick range and even Miami picking him felt like an overdraft. You look at the numbers in college, it's hard not to say what he's doing has been very surprising. He put up 54% TS in his junior and senior years and shot 28% and 32% from 3, it's not often a player goes from below average efficiency to a 60% TS in their rookie season.

[2019nbachamps]

You really can't get too upset about missing on Jacquez. He really wasn't rated as a likely option in our pick range and even Miami picking him felt like an overdraft. You look at the numbers in college, it's hard not to say what he's doing has been very surprising. He put up 54% TS in his junior and senior years and shot 28% and 32% from 3, it's not often a player goes from below average efficiency to a 60% TS in their rookie season.

I’m not upset about missing on him. What upsets me is we haven’t developed anyone other than Scottie in 4 seasons. You mean to tell me there wasn’t one hidden gem out there we couldn’t develop? Miami has developed half a dozen guys the last few seasons. The Lakers signed Austin Reeves. We’ve simply lost our way on the development side.

[PushDaRock]

You really can't get too upset about missing on Jacquez. He really wasn't rated as a likely option in our pick range and even Miami picking him felt like an overdraft. You look at the numbers in college, it's hard not to say what he's doing has been very surprising. He put up 54% TS in his junior and senior years and shot 28% and 32% from 3, it's not often a player goes from below average efficiency to a 60% TS in their rookie season.

I’m not upset about missing on him. What upsets me is we haven’t developed anyone other than Scottie in 4 seasons. You mean to tell me there wasn’t one hidden gem out there we couldn’t develop? Miami has developed half a dozen guys the last few seasons. The Lakers signed Austin Reeves. We’ve simply lost our way on the development side.

Yeah, we can go over stuff like fit and etc, but the fact is our development program has gone from one of the best in the league to one of the worst. The bench being as bad as it has been is a direct reflection of young players not developing into good players like they used to in this organization.

[JustLucky]

player development in the nba i believe is mostly luck I wouldnt sweat it too muc. I think were seeing the variance of that from going from the best development team to the worst with little changes.

The biggest factor is the person you draft most everything else is noise

[lobosloboslobos]

How the hell does anyone have any idea what Dick can provide given that our coach seems to have destroyed his confidence? Even when he gave us good minutes early in the year and was showing speedy elite movement both on ball and off our coach could only ever say that 'he needed to slow the game down'. Then Dennis made a point of never passing to him, he missed some shots, got benched and clearly the whole thing just snowballed.

In our last pre-season game he went 4 for 5 from deep.

then Game 1 of his career he played 2 minutes and went 0 for 1
Game 2 he played 5 minutes and went 0 for 2
Game 3 he finally played real minutes (28) and had 16/2/1 on 4-6 from 3, although he did get 5 fouls
Game 4 he payed 20 mins and went 2-7 from the field but had 6 rebounds and 2 steals
Game 5 he played 20 mins and had a rough night going 2-10 against Milwaukee

immediately after that is when Darko put him on a tight leash, just 5 games into his rookie season. in the next 4 games he played 47 minutes and had a total of 9 FGA.

Finally in Game 10 he got back to 24 minutes and played pretty well, going 3-4 (2-3 from deep) with 4 rbds (3 offensive) and 2 ast.

So Darko gave him a little rope in the next game, again against Milwaukee, and again he went 2-10 against a tough veteran defence.

Since that game Dick has played a total of 17 minutes in the past 15 games.

All this talk about how Gradey sucks is really just a way of saying our coach has sucked. Dick showed totally legit flashes of skill and usefulness, especially for a 19 year old, but how the hell do we know what we have when Darko doesn't like what he brings and has no interest in him?

What a lame excuse. He’s been awful even with ample playing time in the G-League. You’re acting like multiple players of ours over the years weren’t essentially forced to go play there to try & earn their way back on to a NBA court (ie/ Pascal, Fred, Norm etc) and they all responded by dominating there. Gradey on the other hand has continued to look underwhelming. That’s not the coach’s fault, that’s his own.

Whether that’s his “confidence” or not adding enough to his game, it’s on himself to step up. The coach can’t hit the jumpers for him. We’ve seen other prospects on different teams struggle to get playing time but go to the G-League and light it up (ie Hardy last year, Walker this year). I’m not a fan of Darko as a coach either but pointing the finger at him is a poor excuse, we’ve seen Gradey brick multiple good looks when he was playing in real games and he’s only continued that trend in extended playing time in the G-League.

lol you'd make a great coach. how old are you i wonder. either not old enough to know how simplistic this take is or old enough to know better but for some reason don't. The first year Pascal played in the G League he was 23 years old. So was Norm. Fred was 22 and did 4 years in college. Gradey is 19. If you think that you develop one of the youngest rookies in the league by throwing him to the wolves and telling him (as you like to do) that he sucks and is on his own to figure stuff out then thank god you don't actually work with any young people. which i hope for their sakes' you don't.

[Harcore Fenton Mun]

player development in the nba i believe is mostly luck I wouldnt sweat it too muc. I think were seeing the variance of that from going from the best development team to the worst with little changes

Lots of changes since 2019...as the results indicate.

[JustLucky]

no dude I dont think you know how variance works. its just as likely we got lucky on all the player development and were never acually good at it to begin with versus we are very good at it now and getting very unlucky. both could be true its such a crapshoot its hard to worry about it

[NotMyKawhi]

dick bust all over Masais face

[Brinbe]

We've seen some players struggle here and go on to have some levels of success elsewhere so is it not fair to wonder if it's all completely the player or if there's something about our process that's not quite right? I guess we have no way of completely knowing but I wouldn't discount the possibility.

If you plop Gradey down in Golden State or Miami is not hard to envision him flourishing a bit more in their system? Would we be getting the most/best out of a Podz or JJJ? What's the last player that wasn't Scottie that they successfully graduated?

[Harcore Fenton Mun]

Look at the state of the 905 the last two years, it tells you what we think of development at this point.