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Official RJ Barrett Thread Part 2

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Re: Official RJ Barrett Thread Part 2 

Post#321 » by Indeed » Fri Dec 13, 2024 8:18 pm

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Reeko wrote:He's gotta be better on the road. Raptors should file a complaint with the league, there's no way he's not getting fouled on these drives.

His FTA is at a career high, and his FTr is basically his career average, calls are missed for sure, but it's not like he's getting robbed out there.

Miami and NYC are 1st and 7th in the league for least FTA by their opponent, Dallas is 20th so that one is a bit of an outlier. We are just playing better teams that don't typically give up many FTA, nothing suspicious.


If you actually watch the games, the non-calls are highly suspicious.


And one of the turn over last night (2nd quarter 4:36) was ref calling travel, which the replay doesn't look to me (the refs counted the step before he gathered the ball with 2 hands).
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Re: Official RJ Barrett Thread Part 2 

Post#322 » by LoveMyRaps » Fri Dec 13, 2024 9:28 pm

So happy we have him.
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Re: Official RJ Barrett Thread Part 2 

Post#323 » by Thaddy » Fri Dec 13, 2024 10:12 pm

I wonder if he's viewed as a toxic contract but the rest of the league. If not we should dangle him in the market and see what it would get us.
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Post#324 » by MEDIC » Fri Dec 13, 2024 10:44 pm

Airmiess wrote:When RJ loses his composure, it’s a clear indication that something is amiss. Just because he’s having an exceptional year in free throw rates doesn’t mean he shouldn’t be earning more. This is where critical thinking comes into play.


I was thinking the same.thing.last night.

Last season, I was praising him for how level-headed he was.. Never looked shook. Just kept attacking no matter the result.

Last night was the first time iI have seen him look frustrated.

His assist & rebound numbers are impressive. He may have to continue to make some adjustments to his game so that he can have more success.
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Re: Official RJ Barrett Thread Part 2 

Post#325 » by Tripod » Sat Dec 14, 2024 3:56 am

Thaddy wrote:I wonder if he's viewed as a toxic contract but the rest of the league. If not we should dangle him in the market and see what it would get us.

Yeah. Might be able to get a 20 ppg guy for him.

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Re: Official RJ Barrett Thread Part 2 

Post#326 » by Thaddy » Sat Dec 14, 2024 5:20 am

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Thaddy wrote:I wonder if he's viewed as a toxic contract but the rest of the league. If not we should dangle him in the market and see what it would get us.

Yeah. Might be able to get a 20 ppg guy for him.

:roll:

An expiring contract and some picks would be ideal. He could probably get back a 1st rounder of some sort from a team looking to compete like the Bucks, GSWs, etc.
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Re: Official RJ Barrett Thread Part 2 

Post#327 » by Ell Curry » Sat Dec 14, 2024 8:05 am

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Thaddy wrote:I wonder if he's viewed as a toxic contract but the rest of the league. If not we should dangle him in the market and see what it would get us.

Yeah. Might be able to get a 20 ppg guy for him.

:roll:

An expiring contract and some picks would be ideal. He could probably get back a 1st rounder of some sort from a team looking to compete like the Bucks, GSWs, etc.


Bucks aren't giving us Lopez, their only big expiring. Maybe Middleton, and we eat next year, depending on his health status could work. They can only trade their 2031 first.

Warriors I don't see it. They could do a protected first + Melton + Kyle Anderson + Payton JR for Barrett and say Davion Mitchell (replacement of sorts for Payton, but that's very little shooting. You'd probably need to see Kuminga for a shooter happening, and I'm not sure who that is, since they'd have less contracts to move.

Chicago is dumb, maybe they'd do Lonzo + lottery protected first rounder + Javon Carter's ugly final 7M year for Barrett and the PDX pick, but they just traded for Giddey who seems like an ugly fit with Barrett too.

Miami wouldn't give us a first, but if Butler is dealt and they don't wanna rebuild, maybe the 1st from the team getting Butler could go to us for RJ and we take on some ugly money (though no idea who that team would be, Wiggins is playing well, Houston doesn't really have bad money

I think it's going to be very tough to get a first back for RJ. I just don't think raw stats on bad (Knicks RJ) to mediocre (Toronto RJ) efficiency with bad defence really impresses too many teams, and the salary + him not being a plus shooter makes it even tougher. I think he's probably here until he's an expiring contract in 2026-27, and then if he hasn't developed (and who knows, maybe he can, he's improved since he got here and his passing has been good this year) he's an expiring you can trade.
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Re: Official RJ Barrett Thread Part 2 

Post#328 » by Tripod » Sat Dec 14, 2024 6:40 pm

Man RJ is underrated
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Re: Official RJ Barrett Thread Part 2 

Post#329 » by AkelaLoneWolf » Sat Dec 14, 2024 7:46 pm

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Airmiess wrote:When RJ loses his composure, it’s a clear indication that something is amiss. Just because he’s having an exceptional year in free throw rates doesn’t mean he shouldn’t be earning more. This is where critical thinking comes into play.


I was thinking the same.thing.last night.

Last season, I was praising him for how level-headed he was.. Never looked shook. Just kept attacking no matter the result.

Last night was the first time iI have seen him look frustrated.

His assist & rebound numbers are impressive. He may have to continue to make some adjustments to his game so that he can have more success.

he needs to start doing the demar 'aaah!' and he'll get those calls.
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Re: Official RJ Barrett Thread Part 2 

Post#330 » by Scase » Sun Dec 15, 2024 12:00 am

Tripod wrote:Man RJ is underrated

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Re: Official RJ Barrett Thread Part 2 

Post#331 » by ash_k » Sun Dec 15, 2024 2:29 pm

Tripod wrote:Man RJ is underrated

nah, just by only few still ashamed of their original prediction such as "a throw-in" or just dont understand ball outside of analytics(not understanding the mental aspect of the game), with many fooled by the NYK Media's attempt to justify the trade ("toxic asset" at around 20M at 22?! scoring 20+ in the playoffs last time he was there with them...cmon..comical.)

There is nothing underrated about being among only 6 players averaging 20+6+6+ including LeBron, Jokic and Luka.
There is nothing underrated to be among 10 players with multiple triple-doubles including LeBron,Jokic and Luka again...yea yea I hear his last is the "worst triple-double" in history :lol: :lol:
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Re: Official RJ Barrett Thread Part 2 

Post#332 » by HangTime » Sun Dec 15, 2024 3:12 pm

Call me crazy, but with Scottie out, I'd rather increase Mogbo and Walter's (1st option) usage and keep RJ in the secondary role.
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Post#333 » by mtcan » Sun Dec 15, 2024 4:03 pm

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Tripod wrote:Man RJ is underrated

nah, just by only few still ashamed of their original prediction such as "a throw-in" or just dont understand ball outside of analytics(not understanding the mental aspect of the game), with many fooled by the NYK Media's attempt to justify the trade ("toxic asset" at around 20M at 22?! scoring 20+ in the playoffs last time he was there with them...cmon..comical.)

There is nothing underrated about being among only 6 players averaging 20+6+6+ including LeBron, Jokic and Luka.
There is nothing underrated to be about 10 players with multiple triple-doubles including LeBron,Jokic and Luka again...yea yea I hear his last is the "worst triple-double" in history :lol: :lol:

24, 7 and 6, shooting 45.5% from the field...all career highs at 24 years of age...making sub-30 million per year for the duration of his contract is a **** steal in this day and age where guys are signing contracts for 200-300 million.
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Re: Official RJ Barrett Thread Part 2 

Post#334 » by mihaic » Sun Dec 15, 2024 4:18 pm

HangTime wrote:Call me crazy, but with Scottie out, I'd rather increase Mogbo and Walter's (1st option) usage and keep RJ in the secondary role.

The options are not mutually exclusive. Both can be true. Moreover RJ does not play 48 minutes.

I want them to throw more at RJ because he is still expanding his game. Some of the failures and frustration that comes along will make him better.
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Post#335 » by sidsid » Sun Dec 15, 2024 5:00 pm

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Tripod wrote:Yeah. Might be able to get a 20 ppg guy for him.

:roll:

An expiring contract and some picks would be ideal. He could probably get back a 1st rounder of some sort from a team looking to compete like the Bucks, GSWs, etc.


Bucks aren't giving us Lopez, their only big expiring. Maybe Middleton, and we eat next year, depending on his health status could work. They can only trade their 2031 first.

Warriors I don't see it. They could do a protected first + Melton + Kyle Anderson + Payton JR for Barrett and say Davion Mitchell (replacement of sorts for Payton, but that's very little shooting. You'd probably need to see Kuminga for a shooter happening, and I'm not sure who that is, since they'd have less contracts to move.

Chicago is dumb, maybe they'd do Lonzo + lottery protected first rounder + Javon Carter's ugly final 7M year for Barrett and the PDX pick, but they just traded for Giddey who seems like an ugly fit with Barrett too.

Miami wouldn't give us a first, but if Butler is dealt and they don't wanna rebuild, maybe the 1st from the team getting Butler could go to us for RJ and we take on some ugly money (though no idea who that team would be, Wiggins is playing well, Houston doesn't really have bad money

I think it's going to be very tough to get a first back for RJ. I just don't think raw stats on bad (Knicks RJ) to mediocre (Toronto RJ) efficiency with bad defence really impresses too many teams, and the salary + him not being a plus shooter makes it even tougher. I think he's probably here until he's an expiring contract in 2026-27, and then if he hasn't developed (and who knows, maybe he can, he's improved since he got here and his passing has been good this year) he's an expiring you can trade.


GSW doing the minor trade for Dennis I think killed this option. I think they're going to keep their powder dry in terms of 1st rounders based on this.

I had both RJ and Jak as potentials there as a combo "big trade" with Kuminga and picks. There might still be something there with Kuminga, but I'd say odds are down now.

Heat... can't see it either just based on what they'll attempt to do in 2 years with the cap space. He is a 3rd team candidate for a swap, that's just even harder to see.
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Re: Official RJ Barrett Thread Part 2 

Post#336 » by Indeed » Sun Dec 15, 2024 6:25 pm

HangTime wrote:Call me crazy, but with Scottie out, I'd rather increase Mogbo and Walter's (1st option) usage and keep RJ in the secondary role.


Indeed, and I think we did, and mainly against bench unit. Mogbo has his attempts higher, I believe, while Walter does try a bit, but really difficult without another creator in the lineup. And I thouht the majority of shots went to Dick.

Meanwhile, Barrett has been the primary role even with Barnes, and Barnes doesnt have eough in his bag to create outside of transition. Not sure how many games you watched not to notice that
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Post#337 » by Psubs » Sun Dec 15, 2024 7:53 pm

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Tripod wrote:Yeah. Might be able to get a 20 ppg guy for him.

:roll:

An expiring contract and some picks would be ideal. He could probably get back a 1st rounder of some sort from a team looking to compete like the Bucks, GSWs, etc.


Bucks aren't giving us Lopez, their only big expiring. Maybe Middleton, and we eat next year, depending on his health status could work. They can only trade their 2031 first.

Warriors I don't see it. They could do a protected first + Melton + Kyle Anderson + Payton JR for Barrett and say Davion Mitchell (replacement of sorts for Payton, but that's very little shooting. You'd probably need to see Kuminga for a shooter happening, and I'm not sure who that is, since they'd have less contracts to move.

Chicago is dumb, maybe they'd do Lonzo + lottery protected first rounder + Javon Carter's ugly final 7M year for Barrett and the PDX pick, but they just traded for Giddey who seems like an ugly fit with Barrett too.

Miami wouldn't give us a first, but if Butler is dealt and they don't wanna rebuild, maybe the 1st from the team getting Butler could go to us for RJ and we take on some ugly money (though no idea who that team would be, Wiggins is playing well, Houston doesn't really have bad money

I think it's going to be very tough to get a first back for RJ. I just don't think raw stats on bad (Knicks RJ) to mediocre (Toronto RJ) efficiency with bad defence really impresses too many teams, and the salary + him not being a plus shooter makes it even tougher. I think he's probably here until he's an expiring contract in 2026-27, and then if he hasn't developed (and who knows, maybe he can, he's improved since he got here and his passing has been good this year) he's an expiring you can trade.


Lonzo and Patrick Williams for RJ Barrett, Davion Mitchell and Chris Boucher?

Maybe Lonzo can be re-signed for MLE sized amount with a player option 3rd year (so if he makes it back to 100% he can still get one last big contract when he's 30)?
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Post#338 » by brownbobcat » Sun Dec 15, 2024 8:57 pm

Psubs wrote:Lonzo and Patrick Williams for RJ Barrett, Davion Mitchell and Chris Boucher?

Maybe Lonzo can be re-signed for MLE sized amount with a player option 3rd year (so if he makes it back to 100% he can still get one last big contract when he's 30)?

Why would Toronto do this? PW gets worse every single year and while I hope Lonzo can have a Shaun Livingston-type of resurgence for the rest of his career, that upside is incredibly low.
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Post#339 » by HKBOY » Tue Dec 17, 2024 3:33 am

RJ is at Siakam's tier except he is signed to a good deal and he fits our timeline. I think he will be a great 3rd option when we are ready to compete.
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Re: Official RJ Barrett Thread Part 2 

Post#340 » by LoveMyRaps » Tue Dec 17, 2024 3:34 am

Awesome game by him but wish he was a lil more passive down the stretch.
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