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Post#321 » by Los_29 » Sat Jan 3, 2026 8:38 pm

ItsDanger wrote:Houston has a very good team.

Top 6 rotation was acquired via draft if you include Green for KD trade. Conveniently excluded.

What about all failed contending teams that haven't tanked? Too many to list.


Actually that’s another failed tank job. Thank you for bringing that up. Green (2nd overall), Smith (3rd overall), Amen (4th overall) and Reed (3rd overall) are their lottery picks. Their best player last year was Sengun who was drafted out of the Lottery. Tari Eason is pretty good, he was out of the lottery as well.

I think we can all agree that the group drafted in the lottery is extremely mediocre considering they were all top 4 picks. No superstars, none of them have made an all-star team. Amen is a great player but his lack of shooting impacts his ceiling.

Houston was a lottery team until they went out and signed Fred and Brooks. Then they went out and traded for KD.

Are you guys content with 1st round exits? Because that’s what’s going to happen if Houston plays Denver, Minnesota and some of the other strong West teams. KD is 37 too, what happens when he retires? 4 years of tanking and yet your team rests on the shoulders of a 37 year old. 2nd best player is the 16th overall pick from 2021.
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Post#322 » by HumbleRen » Sat Jan 3, 2026 8:51 pm

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ItsDanger wrote:Houston has a very good team.

Top 6 rotation was acquired via draft if you include Green for KD trade. Conveniently excluded.

What about all failed contending teams that haven't tanked? Too many to list.


Actually that’s another failed tank job. Thank you for bringing that up. Green (2nd overall), Smith (3rd overall), Amen (4th overall) and Reed (3rd overall) are their lottery picks. Their best player last year was Sengun who was drafted out of the Lottery. Tari Eason is pretty good, he was out of the lottery as well.

I think we can all agree that the group drafted in the lottery is extremely mediocre considering they were all top 4 picks. No superstars, none of them have made an all-star team. Amen is a great player but his lack of shooting impacts his ceiling.

Houston was a lottery team until they went out and signed Fred and Brooks. Then they went out and traded for KD.

Are you guys content with 1st round exits? Because that’s what’s going to happen if Houston plays Denver, Minnesota and some of the other strong West teams. KD is 37 too, what happens when he retires? 4 years of tanking and yet your team rests on the shoulders of a 37 year old. 2nd best player is the 16th overall pick from 2021.


This is a wild thing to say considering we might be first round exists for the foreseeable future in a considerably weaker conference.
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Post#323 » by ItsDanger » Sat Jan 3, 2026 8:58 pm

When you have young cheap drafted talent, you can sign free agents. Ridiculous
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Post#324 » by Clutch0z24 » Sat Jan 3, 2026 10:01 pm

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Women lie, Men lie, Data and stats do not lie....Post above for why tanking is a better result than team mid and this one ^ For why drafting higher = better results...Case closed...No need to reply any longer or you are just dying on a losing hill because of pride and can't admit you are just wrong on this subject...


:lol:

I don’t even know what you’re arguing anymore. No one said having the top pick in the draft every season doesn’t give you better players. People are arguing that you can’t just tank every season and hope you get lucky every year and get the top picks that lead to championships.

All you need to do is look back over the last 20 years and see how many championships were a result of tanking.

In the last 20 years the only four teams who have won due to tanking are the Cavs, Heat, Celtics and Spurs and the Spurs did a strategic tank that was due to an injury (again something the raptors have done multiple times). Two of the other championships by the Heat were due to free agency signings.

Not only are you fighting against those percentages, you also have to be one of the many tanking teams to get that top pick that works out too.

There is nothing that shows that tanking is a great strategy for winning championships. In fact the opposite is true. Since the NBA flattened the lottery odds a different team has won the championship every year and only Boston you can say was due to tanking.
Like I’ve been saying, you’re using small percentage occurrences to “strategize” and relying on luck.


Is it really that hard for you and Los to understand what im trying to say? If it is then sorry i will simplify it as much as possible so you understand...

Team mid vs Tanking....Tanking over the history of the NBA has produced better results, Championships, Winning percentage, Better outcomes in terms of team success than Team mid has and there are statistics to back that up not just a passionate belief....Its actually proven by percentages again if you like to argue against statistics and historical facts & data be my guest....But you will be wrong about it 100% of the time because data does not back up what you are saying.

High draft picks vs low draft picks (Many people here are saying it does not matter where you draft) But it certainly does if you want actual talent and NBA staying power....1-14 have historically had NBA staying power, stars, franchise players where as 20s/2nd round have deep bench guys or out of the league guys...There for it is easier to build a winning/championship team playing the draft because you can draft an overall better team the higher you draft....rather than staying in the middle losing in the playoffs and having bad draft picks where the talent is limited to bench guys or out of the league fodder. Do outliers like Jokic exist of course they do but that is like 1/10000000 odds....So its dumb to bring up the very limited players and say "Here is my data to disprove it one player out of thousands"


Can you still build a team playing the middle ....Yes but does it produce championship level teams? Not very often if at all....Why? Because you do not get draft picks to land good enough talent, or trade assets, you end up not being good enough to actually win in the playoffs, all while drafting mideocre talents that have no value in trades, or to grow your team into a contender because they lack the talent....Tanking has produced more title contenders and is the much more successfull way to build a team over the history past and present in the NBA...

Statistics show it is much more harder to even trade for said superstar to put you into the championship level because these players are rarely on the market and if they do end up on the market you lack the assets to land that player because you have a bunch of mid talents that teams are not fond of.....Thats why if Giannis were to be on the market today the Tanking teams...Spurs/Rockets/OKC have the assets to get the deal done over us....Because they have been collecting actual good young players with value over the years while we have been collecting mid....

I hope i made it simple to understand for you my friend....
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Post#325 » by Jerry Lucas » Sat Jan 3, 2026 10:17 pm

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I’m trying to be as generous as possible. Personally I don’t think Tatum and Brown are even due to a tank but sheer luck that Nets imploded. But still that was a good move as their stats were aging and they got the Nets to bite. I can give him that one. Even the Wade initial championship was because they traded for Shaq and their subsequent ones were due to signing James and Bosh, but I’ll give him that they got Wade was drafted with a high pick. Heat don’t tank. They are against tanking though.

There is zero argument here. You need to have a smart front office who makes great picks wherever they are, accumulates talent (sometimes though free agency), and gets lucky - being donated SGA and Williams, Anthony Davis, etc


Donated is a stretch for OKC. PG was third in mvp votes that season and they traded him despite that. Not a lot of teams would have done what OKC did. I know Masai/Bobby wouldn’t have done that trade lol.

You just keep going. I love it. Check the Raptors draft room during SGA’s draft. This is nonsensical stuff here, Banchero, washed Kawhi and now this. :lol:

Of course they would’ve. Every team in the league would have done that trade because they would have no other choice. George wanted to play with Kawhi in LAC. Clippers basically offered everything to Presti because they knew they were getting Kawhi as well.

It’s actually pretty fascinating when you read up about it. Presti was going to move forward with Westbrook and George despite that team getting bounced early in the playoffs every year. It was a bad team. Kawhi tries to recruit players, many say no. George says yes and Presti gets offered this franchise altering, never seen before deal without even having to negotiate. As a result, Presti trades Westbrook a couple weeks later.

It’s a deal that we might not ever see again. That’s how insane it was.

Remember, Presti traded Harden for peanuts and let KD walk for nothing. So if Presti accepted that deal, everyone else would.

Just chiming in here to comment on the part of your post that I bolded.

It's absolutely hilarious (but not surprising) that you are flip flopping on this years later Los, considering years ago, you used to be a heavy doubter in the validity of the reporting that Masai tried to trade into the top 10 to draft SGA, because some posters would criticize Masai for not getting it done, and you would attack the validity of those reports to defend Masai. :lol:

On top of that, before SGA had completed his ascension to the level he's at now, you used to be one of SGA's biggest doubters on here debating the posters who always believed SGA would end up becoming what he is today.
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Post#326 » by Tripod » Sat Jan 3, 2026 10:20 pm

ItsDanger wrote:When you have young cheap drafted talent, you can sign free agents. Ridiculous

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Post#327 » by Tha Cynic » Sat Jan 3, 2026 10:21 pm

HumbleRen wrote:
Los_29 wrote:
ItsDanger wrote:Houston has a very good team.

Top 6 rotation was acquired via draft if you include Green for KD trade. Conveniently excluded.

What about all failed contending teams that haven't tanked? Too many to list.


Actually that’s another failed tank job. Thank you for bringing that up. Green (2nd overall), Smith (3rd overall), Amen (4th overall) and Reed (3rd overall) are their lottery picks. Their best player last year was Sengun who was drafted out of the Lottery. Tari Eason is pretty good, he was out of the lottery as well.

I think we can all agree that the group drafted in the lottery is extremely mediocre considering they were all top 4 picks. No superstars, none of them have made an all-star team. Amen is a great player but his lack of shooting impacts his ceiling.

Houston was a lottery team until they went out and signed Fred and Brooks. Then they went out and traded for KD.

Are you guys content with 1st round exits? Because that’s what’s going to happen if Houston plays Denver, Minnesota and some of the other strong West teams. KD is 37 too, what happens when he retires? 4 years of tanking and yet your team rests on the shoulders of a 37 year old. 2nd best player is the 16th overall pick from 2021.


This is a wild thing to say considering we might be first round exists for the foreseeable future in a considerably weaker conference.


Not when the point he’s trying to make is that tanking intentionally year after year and hoping to end up with multiple stars isn’t a sound strategy and isn’t historically shown to lead to championships lol.

We’re all responding to the poster who has been bitching about how much this team sucks and needs to tank every year.

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Donated is a stretch for OKC. PG was third in mvp votes that season and they traded him despite that. Not a lot of teams would have done what OKC did. I know Masai/Bobby wouldn’t have done that trade lol.


What?

100% Masai says yes to Shai, 5 first round picks and 2 swaps for George lol. Masai identified Shai as one of his targets.

There is no GM who is saying no to that lol.

It’s kind of funny that the same people who were bitching about Masai always asking for so much for his players are the same ones who laud the trade where OKC won a championship because they asked for the moon and got it.


Masai is saying no to that lol.

King of holding on to his players.


Masai is too smart not to make that deal and SGA was a player he wanted lol. Stop trying to discredit because you’re inpatient and don’t understand NBA cycles of team building. Just because you want him to give away good players for overrated crap (players who were rumoured who have all become busts like Kuminga, Bufkin, Walker) doesn’t mean he’s not taking an obvious good trade lol.

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Post#328 » by Tha Cynic » Sat Jan 3, 2026 10:23 pm

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Women lie, Men lie, Data and stats do not lie....Post above for why tanking is a better result than team mid and this one ^ For why drafting higher = better results...Case closed...No need to reply any longer or you are just dying on a losing hill because of pride and can't admit you are just wrong on this subject...


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I don’t even know what you’re arguing anymore. No one said having the top pick in the draft every season doesn’t give you better players. People are arguing that you can’t just tank every season and hope you get lucky every year and get the top picks that lead to championships.

All you need to do is look back over the last 20 years and see how many championships were a result of tanking.

In the last 20 years the only four teams who have won due to tanking are the Cavs, Heat, Celtics and Spurs and the Spurs did a strategic tank that was due to an injury (again something the raptors have done multiple times). Two of the other championships by the Heat were due to free agency signings.

Not only are you fighting against those percentages, you also have to be one of the many tanking teams to get that top pick that works out too.

There is nothing that shows that tanking is a great strategy for winning championships. In fact the opposite is true. Since the NBA flattened the lottery odds a different team has won the championship every year and only Boston you can say was due to tanking.
Like I’ve been saying, you’re using small percentage occurrences to “strategize” and relying on luck.


Is it really that hard for you and Los to understand what im trying to say? If it is then sorry i will simplify it as much as possible so you understand...

Team mid vs Tanking....Tanking over the history of the NBA has produced better results, Championships, Winning percentage, Better outcomes in terms of team success than Team mid has and there are statistics to back that up not just a passionate belief....Its actually proven by percentages again if you like to argue against statistics and historical facts & data be my guest....But you will be wrong about it 100% of the time because data does not back up what you are saying.

High draft picks vs low draft picks (Many people here are saying it does not matter where you draft) But it certainly does if you want actual talent and NBA staying power....1-14 have historically had NBA staying power, stars, franchise players where as 20s/2nd round have deep bench guys or out of the league guys...There for it is easier to build a winning/championship team playing the draft because you can draft an overall better team the higher you draft....rather than staying in the middle losing in the playoffs and having bad draft picks where the talent is limited to bench guys or out of the league fodder. Do outliers like Jokic exist of course they do but that is like 1/10000000 odds....So its dumb to bring up the very limited players and say "Here is my data to disprove it one player out of thousands"


Can you still build a team playing the middle ....Yes but does it produce championship level teams? Not very often if at all....Why? Because you do not get draft picks to land good enough talent, or trade assets, you end up not being good enough to actually win in the playoffs, all while drafting mideocre talents that have no value in trades, or to grow your team into a contender because they lack the talent....Tanking has produced more title contenders and is the much more successfull way to build a team over the history past and present in the NBA...

Statistics show it is much more harder to even trade for said superstar to put you into the championship level because these players are rarely on the market and if they do end up on the market you lack the assets to land that player because you have a bunch of mid talents that teams are not fond of.....Thats why if Giannis were to be on the market today the Tanking teams...Spurs/Rockets/OKC have the assets to get the deal done over us....Because they have been collecting actual good young players with value over the years while we have been collecting mid....

I hope i made it simple to understand for you my friend....


All you’re doing is throwing our random words without checking anything. Look at the last 20 years for how much tanking has lead to more championships than other methods please. Seems you didn’t even read anything any of us have written. Ask Grok to summarize if you want. This is if you pick only the ones that worked out and don’t count all the failures which should greatly increase your argument over the true reality. Even then your argument falls flat.
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Post#329 » by Clutch0z24 » Sat Jan 3, 2026 10:37 pm

Tha Cynic wrote:
Clutch0z24 wrote:
Tha Cynic wrote:
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I don’t even know what you’re arguing anymore. No one said having the top pick in the draft every season doesn’t give you better players. People are arguing that you can’t just tank every season and hope you get lucky every year and get the top picks that lead to championships.

All you need to do is look back over the last 20 years and see how many championships were a result of tanking.

In the last 20 years the only four teams who have won due to tanking are the Cavs, Heat, Celtics and Spurs and the Spurs did a strategic tank that was due to an injury (again something the raptors have done multiple times). Two of the other championships by the Heat were due to free agency signings.

Not only are you fighting against those percentages, you also have to be one of the many tanking teams to get that top pick that works out too.

There is nothing that shows that tanking is a great strategy for winning championships. In fact the opposite is true. Since the NBA flattened the lottery odds a different team has won the championship every year and only Boston you can say was due to tanking.
Like I’ve been saying, you’re using small percentage occurrences to “strategize” and relying on luck.


Is it really that hard for you and Los to understand what im trying to say? If it is then sorry i will simplify it as much as possible so you understand...

Team mid vs Tanking....Tanking over the history of the NBA has produced better results, Championships, Winning percentage, Better outcomes in terms of team success than Team mid has and there are statistics to back that up not just a passionate belief....Its actually proven by percentages again if you like to argue against statistics and historical facts & data be my guest....But you will be wrong about it 100% of the time because data does not back up what you are saying.

High draft picks vs low draft picks (Many people here are saying it does not matter where you draft) But it certainly does if you want actual talent and NBA staying power....1-14 have historically had NBA staying power, stars, franchise players where as 20s/2nd round have deep bench guys or out of the league guys...There for it is easier to build a winning/championship team playing the draft because you can draft an overall better team the higher you draft....rather than staying in the middle losing in the playoffs and having bad draft picks where the talent is limited to bench guys or out of the league fodder. Do outliers like Jokic exist of course they do but that is like 1/10000000 odds....So its dumb to bring up the very limited players and say "Here is my data to disprove it one player out of thousands"


Can you still build a team playing the middle ....Yes but does it produce championship level teams? Not very often if at all....Why? Because you do not get draft picks to land good enough talent, or trade assets, you end up not being good enough to actually win in the playoffs, all while drafting mideocre talents that have no value in trades, or to grow your team into a contender because they lack the talent....Tanking has produced more title contenders and is the much more successfull way to build a team over the history past and present in the NBA...

Statistics show it is much more harder to even trade for said superstar to put you into the championship level because these players are rarely on the market and if they do end up on the market you lack the assets to land that player because you have a bunch of mid talents that teams are not fond of.....Thats why if Giannis were to be on the market today the Tanking teams...Spurs/Rockets/OKC have the assets to get the deal done over us....Because they have been collecting actual good young players with value over the years while we have been collecting mid....

I hope i made it simple to understand for you my friend....


All you’re doing is throwing our random words without checking anything. Look at the last 20 years for how much tanking has lead to more championships than other methods please. Seems you didn’t even read anything any of us have written. Ask Grok to summarize if you want. This is if you pick only the ones that worked out and don’t count all the failures which should greatly increase your argument over the true reality. Even then your argument falls flat.


Throwing out random words? I tried my best to explain it as clear as possible if you still do not understand i guess you never will....But of course there have been failures i have never said there hasn't been failures.....We are simply talking about team mid vs Tanking and what strat has the better results, championships, winning percentages and which strat to team building has turned bad teams into good teams....Tanking no doubt has the way better results and there is no arguing that because data, statistics show that i am infact right....Team mid does not have as much data to say it is a successfull strat to team building if you are not a championship team....And if you are not a Free agent destination like the Lakers/Heat it gets even worse for you playing team mid...

Do you need a savy front office that is good at making trades as well as making the right picks like the OKC/Spurs? Yes that plays apart of it....Would i be confident in Bobby to make savy trades, draft right if we did do this strat....Prolly not....But just because there have been failures for tanking does not mean being team mid has better results because it does not....There have been way more failures being team mid than tanking is my point...And data and statistics actually prove it....Not just me throwing out random words...
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Post#330 » by Clutch0z24 » Sat Jan 3, 2026 10:49 pm

Tha Cynic wrote:
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Tha Cynic wrote:
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I don’t even know what you’re arguing anymore. No one said having the top pick in the draft every season doesn’t give you better players. People are arguing that you can’t just tank every season and hope you get lucky every year and get the top picks that lead to championships.

All you need to do is look back over the last 20 years and see how many championships were a result of tanking.

In the last 20 years the only four teams who have won due to tanking are the Cavs, Heat, Celtics and Spurs and the Spurs did a strategic tank that was due to an injury (again something the raptors have done multiple times). Two of the other championships by the Heat were due to free agency signings.

Not only are you fighting against those percentages, you also have to be one of the many tanking teams to get that top pick that works out too.

There is nothing that shows that tanking is a great strategy for winning championships. In fact the opposite is true. Since the NBA flattened the lottery odds a different team has won the championship every year and only Boston you can say was due to tanking.
Like I’ve been saying, you’re using small percentage occurrences to “strategize” and relying on luck.


Is it really that hard for you and Los to understand what im trying to say? If it is then sorry i will simplify it as much as possible so you understand...

Team mid vs Tanking....Tanking over the history of the NBA has produced better results, Championships, Winning percentage, Better outcomes in terms of team success than Team mid has and there are statistics to back that up not just a passionate belief....Its actually proven by percentages again if you like to argue against statistics and historical facts & data be my guest....But you will be wrong about it 100% of the time because data does not back up what you are saying.

High draft picks vs low draft picks (Many people here are saying it does not matter where you draft) But it certainly does if you want actual talent and NBA staying power....1-14 have historically had NBA staying power, stars, franchise players where as 20s/2nd round have deep bench guys or out of the league guys...There for it is easier to build a winning/championship team playing the draft because you can draft an overall better team the higher you draft....rather than staying in the middle losing in the playoffs and having bad draft picks where the talent is limited to bench guys or out of the league fodder. Do outliers like Jokic exist of course they do but that is like 1/10000000 odds....So its dumb to bring up the very limited players and say "Here is my data to disprove it one player out of thousands"


Can you still build a team playing the middle ....Yes but does it produce championship level teams? Not very often if at all....Why? Because you do not get draft picks to land good enough talent, or trade assets, you end up not being good enough to actually win in the playoffs, all while drafting mideocre talents that have no value in trades, or to grow your team into a contender because they lack the talent....Tanking has produced more title contenders and is the much more successfull way to build a team over the history past and present in the NBA...

Statistics show it is much more harder to even trade for said superstar to put you into the championship level because these players are rarely on the market and if they do end up on the market you lack the assets to land that player because you have a bunch of mid talents that teams are not fond of.....Thats why if Giannis were to be on the market today the Tanking teams...Spurs/Rockets/OKC have the assets to get the deal done over us....Because they have been collecting actual good young players with value over the years while we have been collecting mid....

I hope i made it simple to understand for you my friend....


All you’re doing is throwing our random words without checking anything. Look at the last 20 years for how much tanking has lead to more championships than other methods please. Seems you didn’t even read anything any of us have written. Ask Grok to summarize if you want. This is if you pick only the ones that worked out and don’t count all the failures which should greatly increase your argument over the true reality. Even then your argument falls flat.


Just did what you asked ...Duff please don't ban me over this :lol:

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There you go over the last 20 years....Tanking is still the more viable option....Now if you still say its not then idk what to tell you ....Lol...
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Post#331 » by bballsparkin » Sat Jan 3, 2026 11:12 pm

I agree reading about the pro vs con tanking debate is boring. Building through drafting is a viable approach to building a winning team but it's complicated. Ownership must be on board, the FO has to make the right decisions and yes, it involves luck. As long as people are quoting Clutch and challenging his position in my mind he has a right to defend his position. So, if you don't want tanking debates in the PG stop quoting him. Simple.
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Post#332 » by Clutch0z24 » Sat Jan 3, 2026 11:28 pm

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Donated is a stretch for OKC. PG was third in mvp votes that season and they traded him despite that. Not a lot of teams would have done what OKC did. I know Masai/Bobby wouldn’t have done that trade lol.

You just keep going. I love it. Check the Raptors draft room during SGA’s draft. This is nonsensical stuff here, Banchero, washed Kawhi and now this. :lol:

Of course they would’ve. Every team in the league would have done that trade because they would have no other choice. George wanted to play with Kawhi in LAC. Clippers basically offered everything to Presti because they knew they were getting Kawhi as well.

It’s actually pretty fascinating when you read up about it. Presti was going to move forward with Westbrook and George despite that team getting bounced early in the playoffs every year. It was a bad team. Kawhi tries to recruit players, many say no. George says yes and Presti gets offered this franchise altering, never seen before deal without even having to negotiate. As a result, Presti trades Westbrook a couple weeks later.

It’s a deal that we might not ever see again. That’s how insane it was.

Remember, Presti traded Harden for peanuts and let KD walk for nothing. So if Presti accepted that deal, everyone else would.

Just chiming in here to comment on the part of your post that I bolded.

It's absolutely hilarious (but not surprising) that you are flip flopping on this years later Los, considering years ago, you used to be a heavy doubter in the validity of the reporting that Masai tried to trade into the top 10 to draft SGA, because some posters would criticize Masai for not getting it done, and you would attack the validity of those reports to defend Masai. :lol:

On top of that, before SGA had completed his ascension to the level he's at now, you used to be one of SGA's biggest doubters on here debating the posters who always believed SGA would end up becoming what he is today.


Been like that forever with Los....he hates on every other team that have stars that are not on the Raptors and gives you 1000 reasons why that player sucks which is not in reality but he says it to try and defend the Raptors in some way even if he is wrong about it....He said the same thing about Wemby all because the Raptors went in the Yak direction instead of trying to tank for him....He then started to smack talk Wemby and say he sucks....I pointed this out many times.....Its ok to defend the Raptors and be a Raptors homer but when it becomes that he is just blatantly lying about certain players to do so it becomes a little ridiculous...
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Post#333 » by HumbleRen » Sat Jan 3, 2026 11:43 pm

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Actually that’s another failed tank job. Thank you for bringing that up. Green (2nd overall), Smith (3rd overall), Amen (4th overall) and Reed (3rd overall) are their lottery picks. Their best player last year was Sengun who was drafted out of the Lottery. Tari Eason is pretty good, he was out of the lottery as well.

I think we can all agree that the group drafted in the lottery is extremely mediocre considering they were all top 4 picks. No superstars, none of them have made an all-star team. Amen is a great player but his lack of shooting impacts his ceiling.

Houston was a lottery team until they went out and signed Fred and Brooks. Then they went out and traded for KD.

Are you guys content with 1st round exits? Because that’s what’s going to happen if Houston plays Denver, Minnesota and some of the other strong West teams. KD is 37 too, what happens when he retires? 4 years of tanking and yet your team rests on the shoulders of a 37 year old. 2nd best player is the 16th overall pick from 2021.


This is a wild thing to say considering we might be first round exists for the foreseeable future in a considerably weaker conference.


Not when the point he’s trying to make is that tanking intentionally year after year and hoping to end up with multiple stars isn’t a sound strategy and isn’t historically shown to lead to championships lol.

We’re all responding to the poster who has been bitching about how much this team sucks and needs to tank every year.

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What?

100% Masai says yes to Shai, 5 first round picks and 2 swaps for George lol. Masai identified Shai as one of his targets.

There is no GM who is saying no to that lol.

It’s kind of funny that the same people who were bitching about Masai always asking for so much for his players are the same ones who laud the trade where OKC won a championship because they asked for the moon and got it.


Masai is saying no to that lol.

King of holding on to his players.


Masai is too smart not to make that deal and SGA was a player he wanted lol. Stop trying to discredit because you’re inpatient and don’t understand NBA cycles of team building. Just because you want him to give away good players for overrated crap (players who were rumoured who have all become busts like Kuminga, Bufkin, Walker) doesn’t mean he’s not taking an obvious good trade lol.

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Too bad they were so slow to get a big man or even focus on it after the championship.


Masai doesn’t care for pick based return packages. He wants players in a return. He wouldn’t have done what Presti did. Sorry if that offends you.
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Post#334 » by HumbleRen » Sat Jan 3, 2026 11:45 pm

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Donated is a stretch for OKC. PG was third in mvp votes that season and they traded him despite that. Not a lot of teams would have done what OKC did. I know Masai/Bobby wouldn’t have done that trade lol.

You just keep going. I love it. Check the Raptors draft room during SGA’s draft. This is nonsensical stuff here, Banchero, washed Kawhi and now this. :lol:

Of course they would’ve. Every team in the league would have done that trade because they would have no other choice. George wanted to play with Kawhi in LAC. Clippers basically offered everything to Presti because they knew they were getting Kawhi as well.

It’s actually pretty fascinating when you read up about it. Presti was going to move forward with Westbrook and George despite that team getting bounced early in the playoffs every year. It was a bad team. Kawhi tries to recruit players, many say no. George says yes and Presti gets offered this franchise altering, never seen before deal without even having to negotiate. As a result, Presti trades Westbrook a couple weeks later.

It’s a deal that we might not ever see again. That’s how insane it was.

Remember, Presti traded Harden for peanuts and let KD walk for nothing. So if Presti accepted that deal, everyone else would.

Just chiming in here to comment on the part of your post that I bolded.

It's absolutely hilarious (but not surprising) that you are flip flopping on this years later Los, considering years ago, you used to be a heavy doubter in the validity of the reporting that Masai tried to trade into the top 10 to draft SGA, because some posters would criticize Masai for not getting it done, and you would attack the validity of those reports to defend Masai. :lol:

On top of that, before SGA had completed his ascension to the level he's at now, you used to be one of SGA's biggest doubters on here debating the posters who always believed SGA would end up becoming what he is today.


Sounds like Los alright lol.

He would push back against trading Siakam for SGA cause he was “putting up empty numbers on a bad OKC team.” :lol:
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Post#335 » by ItsDanger » Sat Jan 3, 2026 11:56 pm

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ItsDanger wrote:When you have young cheap drafted talent, you can sign free agents. Ridiculous

If you live in a warm climate US city

Maybe the GM is just a bad salesman.
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Re: PG: BENCH SLOBS SHART THE COURT 

Post#336 » by Duffman100 » Sun Jan 4, 2026 12:05 am

ItsDanger wrote:
Tripod wrote:
ItsDanger wrote:When you have young cheap drafted talent, you can sign free agents. Ridiculous

If you live in a warm climate US city

Maybe the GM is just a bad salesman.


lol. This is just ridiculous.
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Post#337 » by Tha Cynic » Sun Jan 4, 2026 12:53 am

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This is a wild thing to say considering we might be first round exists for the foreseeable future in a considerably weaker conference.


Not when the point he’s trying to make is that tanking intentionally year after year and hoping to end up with multiple stars isn’t a sound strategy and isn’t historically shown to lead to championships lol.

We’re all responding to the poster who has been bitching about how much this team sucks and needs to tank every year.

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Masai is saying no to that lol.

King of holding on to his players.


Masai is too smart not to make that deal and SGA was a player he wanted lol. Stop trying to discredit because you’re inpatient and don’t understand NBA cycles of team building. Just because you want him to give away good players for overrated crap (players who were rumoured who have all become busts like Kuminga, Bufkin, Walker) doesn’t mean he’s not taking an obvious good trade lol.

Barnes
Siakam
OG
FVV

Too bad they were so slow to get a big man or even focus on it after the championship.


Masai doesn’t care for pick based return packages. He wants players in a return. He wouldn’t have done what Presti did. Sorry if that offends you.


I don’t think you’re reading - SGA is a player the Raptors identified and targeted like Giannis. lol they would definitely have accepted that package

5 first round picks and draft swaps on top that?

You’re not even making a serious comment here lol
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Post#338 » by Los_29 » Sun Jan 4, 2026 3:20 am

Son Goku 25 wrote:I'm loving these heartfelt arguments tbh, the passion is still there.

I gotta admit though pro tank and anti Masai/Bobby crowd are getting bodied.


And it’s still going. Clutch doesn’t want to stop. Humble spewing nonsense. ItsDanger aiming for 1st round exits. This thread has become legendary.
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Post#339 » by mdenny » Sun Jan 4, 2026 4:41 am

HumbleRen wrote:
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Los_29 wrote:You just keep going. I love it. Check the Raptors draft room during SGA’s draft. This is nonsensical stuff here, Banchero, washed Kawhi and now this. :lol:

Of course they would’ve. Every team in the league would have done that trade because they would have no other choice. George wanted to play with Kawhi in LAC. Clippers basically offered everything to Presti because they knew they were getting Kawhi as well.

It’s actually pretty fascinating when you read up about it. Presti was going to move forward with Westbrook and George despite that team getting bounced early in the playoffs every year. It was a bad team. Kawhi tries to recruit players, many say no. George says yes and Presti gets offered this franchise altering, never seen before deal without even having to negotiate. As a result, Presti trades Westbrook a couple weeks later.

It’s a deal that we might not ever see again. That’s how insane it was.

Remember, Presti traded Harden for peanuts and let KD walk for nothing. So if Presti accepted that deal, everyone else would.

Just chiming in here to comment on the part of your post that I bolded.

It's absolutely hilarious (but not surprising) that you are flip flopping on this years later Los, considering years ago, you used to be a heavy doubter in the validity of the reporting that Masai tried to trade into the top 10 to draft SGA, because some posters would criticize Masai for not getting it done, and you would attack the validity of those reports to defend Masai. :lol:

On top of that, before SGA had completed his ascension to the level he's at now, you used to be one of SGA's biggest doubters on here debating the posters who always believed SGA would end up becoming what he is today.


Sounds like Los alright lol.

He would push back against trading Siakam for SGA cause he was “putting up empty numbers on a bad OKC team.” :lol:


You guys are being disingenuous. Trading siakam for SGA straightup was a debateable point back then. Trading siakam for SGA plus 5 picks, 3 swaps and 2 other players was not debateable. And that's what's relevant to the conversation.

The obvious point remains. No GM would've turned down that trade for George.
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Post#340 » by Los_29 » Sun Jan 4, 2026 5:02 am

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Donated is a stretch for OKC. PG was third in mvp votes that season and they traded him despite that. Not a lot of teams would have done what OKC did. I know Masai/Bobby wouldn’t have done that trade lol.

You just keep going. I love it. Check the Raptors draft room during SGA’s draft. This is nonsensical stuff here, Banchero, washed Kawhi and now this. :lol:

Of course they would’ve. Every team in the league would have done that trade because they would have no other choice. George wanted to play with Kawhi in LAC. Clippers basically offered everything to Presti because they knew they were getting Kawhi as well.

It’s actually pretty fascinating when you read up about it. Presti was going to move forward with Westbrook and George despite that team getting bounced early in the playoffs every year. It was a bad team. Kawhi tries to recruit players, many say no. George says yes and Presti gets offered this franchise altering, never seen before deal without even having to negotiate. As a result, Presti trades Westbrook a couple weeks later.

It’s a deal that we might not ever see again. That’s how insane it was.

Remember, Presti traded Harden for peanuts and let KD walk for nothing. So if Presti accepted that deal, everyone else would.

Just chiming in here to comment on the part of your post that I bolded.

It's absolutely hilarious (but not surprising) that you are flip flopping on this years later Los, considering years ago, you used to be a heavy doubter in the validity of the reporting that Masai tried to trade into the top 10 to draft SGA, because some posters would criticize Masai for not getting it done, and you would attack the validity of those reports to defend Masai. :lol:

On top of that, before SGA had completed his ascension to the level he's at now, you used to be one of SGA's biggest doubters on here debating the posters who always believed SGA would end up becoming what he is today.


No one thought SGA would become the player he is today. That’s also irrelevant to what we are discussing.

If Masai had the opportunity to get SGA, 5 FRPs, 3 swaps then he absolutely would do it especially given the history of how much interest he had in SGA.

Like I mentioned earlier, Presti has a history of making horrible moves (Harden trade, losing KD). Masai doesn’t. I mean he was even rumoured to be shopping SGA in 2020-21 and the following season.

Presti also had no choice but to move George. That’s why every GM would make that trade. Because they had to.

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