Bruno Caboclo discussion thread

[cammac]

It was a joke man..because of the reaction I got from calling him bustoclo I thought it was funny...guess people are more sensitive about the pick than I thought.

For the record I see the upside with this kid, he has length, hard worker and an already nba ready jumpshot. I do however think guys this raw should be reserved for the second round, but that's just my opinion.

I'm not sure calling a player a bust is ever intended as a joke, but maybe I just don't get it.

See, you can engage in intelligent discussion rather than inflammatory one-liners. Yes, he would have probably been better in the 2nd round, but Masai was certain he would be taken before the Raptors 2nd round pick.

Plus, one source says that the Spurs or the Mavs would have taken Bruno at 30 and 34, respectively. Seeing as he'd already lost out on his first choice (Ennis), he wanted to make sure he didn't lose out on his second choice. Hence the pick at 20.

A bit early? Maybe. But sometimes you gotta take a risk if you truly believe a prospect will turn out to be something special. I think Masai wanted to avoid another Giannis situation, after he so desperately tried to buy a pick in the draft to get him and missed out.

I understand Ujiri's rationale behind the pick, but I still don't agree with it when there were so many prospects left in the board that had a much better chance to succeed in the NBA then Bruno. Maybe the gamble pays off, who knows. What's even more infuriating is the uninspiring pick of DeAndre Daniels. Neither coach Casey or Masai had much to say about this kid, which leads me to believe he wasn't a player they wanted. At 37 there were still several prospects left on the board with a lot more upside than a raw 22 year old tweener.

It seems that you have a desperate need for attention and yes many people wanted someone else at 20.
I wanted Anderson or Capela who were both stretches but had high potential but Masai, Casey and scouts felt that he was the best choice at that point.

With 37th was a bit of a weird pick in a senior that can't contribute immediately and likely never will. Selling 59th again was mitigated I believe the Atlanta & Toronto trade was already consummated. While I think Bachnyski should have been chosen with either 37th or 59th.

But we aren't GMs luckily and they have considerable more assets to make rational decisions than we do.

[cold_cowboy]

you've given up. you need more confidence. you've exchanged a debate of ideas for smugness. it doesn't add anything. much better to take a position. it's what scouts are payed to do.

you'd rather we all go to sleep. instead, you can go to sleep for 4 years, before the outcome become obvious, and then you can wake up and gloat about why we all should have gone to sleep too. personally, i'd rather be awake and wrong, than asleep and self-pretentious.

all these assumptions and i'm pretentious?

i say lets simmer the expectations and am called pretentious and to have my eyes checked. me saying that we should calm the expectations due to his summer league performance is wrong, yet those who base his stardom on that same set of games are without a doubt correct because it's the popular opinion?

so strange that somehow people assume that if you're not for one extreme, you're for the other. based on what i've seen of him and the circumstance in which a player like that has to succeed in this league is very limited, i'm neither pessimistic or overly optimistic about him.

You called him a scrub

poor assumption by you and i guess i shouldn't of implied it by posting in a bruno caboclo thread. it still doesn't explain where these 4 and 5 star expectations of him are coming from, hence why i said this happens every summer with weems, ed davis, bayless, kleiza, barbosa.. whatever. there were plenty of rationalizations of why each player is a gem.

[Waylon Mercy]

As I think about it...

Bruno looks pretty good already as an 18 year old from Brazil where he's had poor coaching
and played against lackluster competition.

To come in and average around 12ppg in the summer league is pretty impressive. Over the 4 games
he's shown a lot of different things he can do so the skillset is there it just needs refining.

He'll be under our coaches care for the next 2 months and working on his body with a guy like
Alex McKecknie. So once training camp starts then he'll look even better.

Then going through a full NBA training camp and playing preseason games he'll grow that much more...

All we need to do is make sure he's ready and can be a factor for the playoffs in 9.5 months and
considering where he's at now I think it can be realistic.

[YogiStewart]

had a bad sports injury and I'm temporarily crippled so what else is there to do.

head trauma is tough, man. we hear ya.

[RaptorHusky]

As I think about it...

Bruno looks pretty good already as an 18 year old from Brazil where he's had poor coaching
and played against lackluster competition.

To come in and average around 12ppg in the summer league is pretty impressive. Over the 4 games
he's shown a lot of different things he can do so the skillset is there it just needs refining.

He'll be under our coaches care for the next 2 months and working on his body with a guy like
Alex McKecknie. So once training camp starts then he'll look even better.

Then going through a full NBA training camp and playing preseason games he'll grow that much more...

All we need to do is make sure he's ready and can be a factor for the playoffs in 9.5 months and
considering where he's at now I think it can be realistic.

don't rush with '15 playoffs. I'd be happy if Bruno starts consistently getting 10-15 minutes every game and this were earned minutes, not just 'prospect award'

On the other hand, some RealGM'ers make me laugh. Bashing 18 years old kid from Brasilian rain forest (in terms of basketball, no offense to Brasil or Bruno) selected as #20 pick for not being KD from day one. They must not be serious or ate some strange mushrooms. But this is Raps' RealGM, it can't be in other way

[DG88]

How did Scruboclo do tonight?

Quit it already. At this point your baiting I've had enough of your antics involving Bruno. Next time you'll get a warning.

[Dukenukem23]

How did Scruboclo do tonight?

Quit it already. At this point your baiting I've had enough of your antics involving Bruno. Next time you'll get a warning.

I take it you didn't read the posts I made afterward...I was kidding around, I think Bruno is going to be a stud. No more negative posts regarding Bruno from me.

[MEDIC]

I understand Ujiri's rationale behind the pick, but I still don't agree with it when there were so many prospects left in the board that had a much better chance to succeed in the NBA then Bruno. Maybe the gamble pays off, who knows. What's even more infuriating is the uninspiring pick of DeAndre Daniels. Neither coach Casey or Masai had much to say about this kid, which leads me to believe he wasn't a player they wanted. At 37 there were still several prospects left on the board with a lot more upside than a raw 22 year old tweener.

I agree with you on the Daniels pick. Not sure what he brings that we need, plus he's not really someone who we'd look to develop in the coming seasons. Maybe Masai wanted insurance in case Bruno didn't pan out or something. Have two raw SF's to develop for the future? I don't know.

I'll never understand the Daniels pick. Did we want a long 3 that badly? They don't even seem all that keen on him as a prospect.

The other thing I don't understand is why Masai didn't get involved with the Stokes pick. Stokes was basically sold for cash. I like Daniels, but they have no real plan for him & I like Stokes much better.

[TheBatman]

I liked what I saw from Bruno last night. Somebody must have been in his ear about his shot selection. He still wasn't afraid to shoot the 3 and the dribble drive floater (and 1) was nice to see. One thing I give him is he's not afraid to let it fly. Would still like to see him use his length more, but that should happen with time. With a lot of time in the gym I think he can contribute to this team.

[MEDIC]

He gives us nice little gems every game.

That dribble drive into the paint, ending with the soft floater was a thing of beauty. You normally see PG's use that shot....especially shorter ones.

That is an unblockable shot because Bruno's arms are so long. He also has the height to see over defenders.

If that can become a bread n' butter move for him, I see very very good things. It was more impressive to me than getting to the rim for a dunk.

There have been two shots that have shown us his soft touch. The floater last night & the one he tossed up after reaching over the guy blocking him out.

[DG88]

How did Scruboclo do tonight?

Quit it already. At this point your baiting I've had enough of your antics involving Bruno. Next time you'll get a warning.

I take it you didn't read the posts I made afterward...I was kidding around, I think Bruno is going to be a stud. No more negative posts regarding Bruno from me.

So now it's a joke after you came crying to the mods about personal attacks when you baited posters with your "joke"? You've been at this since draft night almost a month later and now it was just a joke? Clearly most didn't see this as a joke. So I'm hoping you end this "joke" now.

[barrist]

The Daniels pick feels like a ghost of Jim Kelly selection.

I'm neutral on the Bruno pick because I have no idea what he'll become as there's so little to go on, but I think Masai really did panic that night as it all got messed up when the Suns took Ennis and asked too much in any trade talks. I still remember how pissed he looked Draft night. Instead of "We got a hidden gem here folks!" it was more like "the 20th pick is worthless anyway". You can so tell he didn't want to use the 20th on such a project.

[m83588333]

The Daniels pick feels like a ghost of Jim Kelly selection.

I'm neutral on the Bruno pick because I have no idea what he'll become as there's so little to go on, but I think Masai really did panic that night as it all got messed up when the Suns took Ennis and asked too much in any trade talks. I still remember how pissed he looked Draft night. Instead of "We got a hidden gem here folks!" it was more like "the 20th pick is worthless anyway". You can so tell he didn't want to use the 20th on such a project.

The panic theory seems odd since Ennis dropping to #20 was very unlikely. If PHX took Harris, like they should have, Bulls would taken Ennis and sent him out for McDermott. It looked odd but it was probably due to dealing with PHX than expecting to land Ennis.

[Undefeated]

A lot of Bruno's drives and one/two dribble pull ups have been going to his left which is encouraging to see given how smooth he is going to his weak hand. Really like how he covers a lot of ground by extending his dribble out in front.

[barrist]

The Daniels pick feels like a ghost of Jim Kelly selection.

I'm neutral on the Bruno pick because I have no idea what he'll become as there's so little to go on, but I think Masai really did panic that night as it all got messed up when the Suns took Ennis and asked too much in any trade talks. I still remember how pissed he looked Draft night. Instead of "We got a hidden gem here folks!" it was more like "the 20th pick is worthless anyway". You can so tell he didn't want to use the 20th on such a project.

The panic theory seems odd since Ennis dropping to #20 was very unlikely. If PHX took Harris, like they should have, Bulls would taken Ennis and sent him out for McDermott. It looked odd but it was probably due to dealing with PHX than expecting to land Ennis.

I think the panic theory holds as I believe Masai had two guys at 20 (Ennis and Harris) and believed at least one would be there. after they were both gone, panic set in IMO.

[BangerBrotha]

The Daniels pick feels like a ghost of Jim Kelly selection.

I'm neutral on the Bruno pick because I have no idea what he'll become as there's so little to go on, but I think Masai really did panic that night as it all got messed up when the Suns took Ennis and asked too much in any trade talks. I still remember how pissed he looked Draft night. Instead of "We got a hidden gem here folks!" it was more like "the 20th pick is worthless anyway". You can so tell he didn't want to use the 20th on such a project.

The panic theory seems odd since Ennis dropping to #20 was very unlikely. If PHX took Harris, like they should have, Bulls would taken Ennis and sent him out for McDermott. It looked odd but it was probably due to dealing with PHX than expecting to land Ennis.

I think the panic theory holds as I believe Masai had two guys at 20 (Ennis and Harris) and believed at least one would be there. after they were both gone, panic set in IMO.

There was a contingency trade where Raptors would send Salmons contract to Memphis for Tayshaun Prince and the 22nd pick. If Ennis and Harris were there, they would have picked one at the 20th pick and pick Bruno at the 22nd pick. After both were gone, they didn't feel a need to do the trade and decided to pick Bruno at 20.

Afterwards, they used Salmons contract to get Lou Williams and Bebe.

They didn't panic, but they were disappointed that they almost got to get another very good prospect at the 20th pick.

[ATLTimekeeper]

The Daniels pick feels like a ghost of Jim Kelly selection.

I'm neutral on the Bruno pick because I have no idea what he'll become as there's so little to go on, but I think Masai really did panic that night as it all got messed up when the Suns took Ennis and asked too much in any trade talks. I still remember how pissed he looked Draft night. Instead of "We got a hidden gem here folks!" it was more like "the 20th pick is worthless anyway". You can so tell he didn't want to use the 20th on such a project.

He had a plan to take him at 37. They realized that other teams were onto him, so he set up a trade with Memphis's #22 pick for John Salmons deal. When his first two picks were taken, he scrapped the Memphis pick and just went with Bruno at 20. Doesn't really sound like panic. Just sounds like his plan A fell apart. If he didn't want to draft Bruno at 20, he wouldn't have. If they weren't excited about him, they wouldn't have purposefully tried to keep the rest of the league in the dark. He drafted Fournier higher than anyone expected, so I don't think he really cares about taking a risk later in the draft on a project.

[barrist]

The panic theory seems odd since Ennis dropping to #20 was very unlikely. If PHX took Harris, like they should have, Bulls would taken Ennis and sent him out for McDermott. It looked odd but it was probably due to dealing with PHX than expecting to land Ennis.

I think the panic theory holds as I believe Masai had two guys at 20 (Ennis and Harris) and believed at least one would be there. after they were both gone, panic set in IMO.

There was a contingency trade where Raptors would send Salmons contract to Memphis for Tayshaun Prince and the 22nd pick. If Ennis and Harris were there, they would have picked one at the 20th pick and pick Bruno at the 22nd pick. After both were gone, they didn't feel a need to do the trade and decided to pick Bruno at 20.

Afterwards, they used Salmons contract to get Lou Williams and Bebe.

They didn't panic, but they were disappointed that they almost got to get another very good prospect at the 20th pick.

Sounds about right. Maybe disappointed is a better word than panic. The way I see it, Masai's strategy was getting a "blue chip" prospect and a "go long" project if he was able to get Ennis/Harris and Bruno. Instead he got a project and someone likely not to make a difference at all.. But why Daniels? WHYYYYYY?

[Left Side Drive]

I'm hoping he can develop similarly to the likes of Giannis. He already has some basketball skills but has to work a lot on the communication aspect of it.

[CoachJReturns]

I'm very happy we drafted Bruno in the first round, but Daniels looks like a terrible pick. Nick Johnson seems like he would have been a better option. His athleticism was well known. Or a trade of our second rounder, plus cash to grab Stokes. Waste of a second round pick in a deep draft really sucks.