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Re: LTU NT and JV at the 2015 European Championship
Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2015 8:49 am
by Darknemo2000
sv-x-as wrote:Clementine9 wrote:Dirk Nowitzki wrote:
Did a good job on his hedge from what I can see, just didn't recover earlier like he should have so it completely broke down. But as far as disrupting the ball handler it was good. As far as JV hedging I'd be most worried about that. They've got him hedging and that's not something he's really done. Not surprising if he doesn't know when his job on the hedge is properly done. That will come with repetition.
EDIT: Point is, I'm not taken anything from a broken play. Those happen. I care more about things like IF he's hedging and where he needs the most work. Not expecting anything from a guy who has hedged -50% of the since his rookie season.
He has hedged 5-6 times in this game, Dirk just showed one or two plays wich collapsed. Other ones were ok imo.
Yes he hedged a number of times and not all ended as badly, but they never really carried any purpose. It didnt help with defense even when he did it right. It felt useless and needless. They never forced a turnover or anything beneficial just caused fear for collapsing.
Re: LTU NT and JV at the 2015 European Championship
Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2015 11:05 am
by Patman
Clementine9 wrote:Dirk Nowitzki wrote:
Did a good job on his hedge from what I can see, just didn't recover earlier like he should have so it completely broke down. But as far as disrupting the ball handler it was good. As far as JV hedging I'd be most worried about that. They've got him hedging and that's not something he's really done. Not surprising if he doesn't know when his job on the hedge is properly done. That will come with repetition.
EDIT: Point is, I'm not taken anything from a broken play. Those happen. I care more about things like IF he's hedging and where he needs the most work. Not expecting anything from a guy who has hedged -50% of the since his rookie season.
He shouldn't have hedged here in the first place. The ballandler receiving the ball was not an immediate threat. His momentum was gong AWAY from the basket. Unless that guy is Westbrook or prime Rose, there's no way he's darting and turning the corner that quickly. JV's teammate would have had enough time to recover even if JV had just dropped back.
Re: LTU NT and JV at the 2015 European Championship
Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2015 11:34 am
by iktuz
Darknemo2000 wrote:sv-x-as wrote:Clementine9 wrote:
Did a good job on his hedge from what I can see, just didn't recover earlier like he should have so it completely broke down. But as far as disrupting the ball handler it was good. As far as JV hedging I'd be most worried about that. They've got him hedging and that's not something he's really done. Not surprising if he doesn't know when his job on the hedge is properly done. That will come with repetition.
EDIT: Point is, I'm not taken anything from a broken play. Those happen. I care more about things like IF he's hedging and where he needs the most work. Not expecting anything from a guy who has hedged -50% of the since his rookie season.
He has hedged 5-6 times in this game, Dirk just showed one or two plays wich collapsed. Other ones were ok imo.
Yes he hedged a number of times and not all ended as badly, but they never really carried any purpose. It didnt help with defense even when he did it right. It felt useless and needless. They never forced a turnover or anything beneficial just caused fear for collapsing.
There was a properly done hedge. JV's hedge forced a turnover
Re: LTU NT and JV at the 2015 European Championship
Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2015 3:27 pm
by UcanUwill
Man, for some reason I thought they were playing Greece today. Nevermind, well, I guess Netherlands will do, but I really want to see Lithuania - Greece match, 2 of my favorite teams.
Re: LTU NT and JV at the 2015 European Championship
Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2015 3:40 pm
by pbj
Patman wrote:Clementine9 wrote:Dirk Nowitzki wrote:
Did a good job on his hedge from what I can see, just didn't recover earlier like he should have so it completely broke down. But as far as disrupting the ball handler it was good. As far as JV hedging I'd be most worried about that. They've got him hedging and that's not something he's really done. Not surprising if he doesn't know when his job on the hedge is properly done. That will come with repetition.
EDIT: Point is, I'm not taken anything from a broken play. Those happen. I care more about things like IF he's hedging and where he needs the most work. Not expecting anything from a guy who has hedged -50% of the since his rookie season.
He shouldn't have hedged here in the first place. The ballandler receiving the ball was not an immediate threat. His momentum was gong AWAY from the basket. Unless that guy is Westbrook or prime Rose, there's no way he's darting and turning the corner that quickly. JV's teammate would have had enough time to recover even if JV had just dropped back.
Plenty of blame to go around on that possession:
- #19 barely touched the rollman, and did nothing to slow him down. He's gotta take that pass option away from one side, and he'd still have time to recover back to the perimeter.
- Other guy (#6 or 8, can't see) bailed out to the corner shooter way too soon.
- The guy on the ball handler just stood up-right and allowed the pass with no resistance.
- Jonas was late recovering by like 0.3s and didn't cut the divert the ball handler enough.
Re: LTU NT and JV at the 2015 European Championship
Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2015 4:01 pm
by UcanUwill
Re: LTU NT and JV at the 2015 European Championship
Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2015 4:25 pm
by UcanUwill
One thing I noticed about Jonas, he doesn't really move off the ball that much anymore. Still trying to set pick and roll, but not as much as before. He used to be very energetic, moving without the ball non stop, even after Raptors turned him more into slower, bigger post scorer, he still played as off ball big on National team. not anymore, he is playing exactly the same way as he plays in the NBA.
Pre draft Jonas was known for his off ball movement and hustle, not a 1 on 1 player at all. When you look at him at age 18, and you look at him now - completely different player. It is very weird.
Re: LTU NT and JV at the 2015 European Championship
Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2015 4:36 pm
by Kastas
Nice! Double pump fake.
Re: LTU NT and JV at the 2015 European Championship
Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2015 4:41 pm
by Dirk
Kastas wrote:Nice! Double pump fake.
Trademark pump fakes.
Re: LTU NT and JV at the 2015 European Championship
Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2015 4:42 pm
by teamLeiweke
The next Hakeem.
Re: LTU NT and JV at the 2015 European Championship
Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2015 4:43 pm
by UcanUwill
Dirk Nowitzki wrote:Kastas wrote:Nice! Double pump fake.
Trademark pump fakes.
LoL, I had the feeling you will GIF that...
Jankunas drawing those fouls tho.
Re: LTU NT and JV at the 2015 European Championship
Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2015 4:49 pm
by UcanUwill
Jonas will 10 points and 7 rebounds at the half. Lithuania is leading by 16.
Re: LTU NT and JV at the 2015 European Championship
Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2015 4:52 pm
by Dirk
He should be involved more like this.
Re: LTU NT and JV at the 2015 European Championship
Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2015 5:24 pm
by UcanUwill
Another dose of Basketball if anyone interested :
Re: LTU NT and JV at the 2015 European Championship
Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2015 5:25 pm
by UcanUwill
Back on topic, weird quarter for Lithuania. 3 points in the first 5 minutes, with JV on the floor, 20 points in the next 5 minutes, without JV.
Re: LTU NT and JV at the 2015 European Championship
Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2015 5:47 pm
by Patman
pbj wrote:Patman wrote:Clementine9 wrote:
Did a good job on his hedge from what I can see, just didn't recover earlier like he should have so it completely broke down. But as far as disrupting the ball handler it was good. As far as JV hedging I'd be most worried about that. They've got him hedging and that's not something he's really done. Not surprising if he doesn't know when his job on the hedge is properly done. That will come with repetition.
EDIT: Point is, I'm not taken anything from a broken play. Those happen. I care more about things like IF he's hedging and where he needs the most work. Not expecting anything from a guy who has hedged -50% of the since his rookie season.
He shouldn't have hedged here in the first place. The ballandler receiving the ball was not an immediate threat. His momentum was gong AWAY from the basket. Unless that guy is Westbrook or prime Rose, there's no way he's darting and turning the corner that quickly. JV's teammate would have had enough time to recover even if JV had just dropped back.
Plenty of blame to go around on that possession:
- #19 barely touched the rollman, and did nothing to slow him down. He's gotta take that pass option away from one side, and he'd still have time to recover back to the perimeter.
- Other guy (#6 or 8, can't see) bailed out to the corner shooter way too soon.
- The guy on the ball handler just stood up-right and allowed the pass with no resistance.
- Jonas was late recovering by like 0.3s and didn't cut the divert the ball handler enough.
Jv was 0.3s late b/c he froze for 0.3s lol. It looks like he was expecting to be called for a foul, so he stood for a split second with his hands up.
Re: LTU NT and JV at the 2015 European Championship
Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2015 5:56 pm
by dTox
updates?
Re: LTU NT and JV at the 2015 European Championship
Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2015 5:57 pm
by Darknemo2000
Well in this game probably the most memorable was that little Julius Erving move that Sabonis JR pulled off.
Re: LTU NT and JV at the 2015 European Championship
Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2015 6:00 pm
by UcanUwill
France is day raping Germany. That team is ridiculous, much better than anyone else. Magic fans should be excited about Fournier more, not Scrubzonja.
Re: LTU NT and JV at the 2015 European Championship
Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2015 6:15 pm
by stitches
Anybody else think Dirk is done?
