Official Covid-19 Discussion Thread

[Fairview4Life]

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[Kevin Willis]

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[omar36]

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why is a man wearing a maga hat in canada lol

why are ppl this stupid smh

[mtcan]

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Sky News is a Toronto Sun or Fox News...a bunch of garbage reporting.

[Kevin Willis]

Sky News is a Toronto Sun or Fox News...a bunch of garbage reporting.

I didn't know that. I will delete the post.

[VintageVince]

Reduce? Sure. But by how much?

The fact is that most people spend most of their time in climate controlled environments, where none of this is relevant.

If anything, this would mean relaxing guidance on outdoor activities. But it doesn't change anything as far as overall social distancing.

That's what that chart is for tho, to show how fast it would reduce the half life of the virus based on those conditions.

The important point that should come out of this is that, to your point, indoors are controlled - so make it more hot and humid!

[LoveMyRaps]

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why is a man wearing a maga hat in canada lol

why are ppl this stupid smh

Idiots.

[hankscorpioLA]

Reduce? Sure. But by how much?

The fact is that most people spend most of their time in climate controlled environments, where none of this is relevant.

If anything, this would mean relaxing guidance on outdoor activities. But it doesn't change anything as far as overall social distancing.

That's what that chart is for tho, to show how fast it would reduce the half life of the virus based on those conditions.

The important point that should come out of this is that, to your point, indoors are controlled - so make it more hot and humid!

I don't think that's a viable strategy.

[Adamski23]

For those discussing humidity:

It does NOT kill the virus but reduces the distance travelled by droplets - high humidity causes droplets to fall faster to the ground. It can reduce transmission but individuals must still remain distant!

[nikster]

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plus excess mortality probably undersells the deaths due to covid. Car accidents, industrial accidents, heart attacks, are all down which would blunt the rise from COVID

[DIEHARD_005]

Road Map, not a calendar.

Not a Ford fan by any means, but although some will criticize the vagueness of his plan I have to say I am okay with his slow and steady approach. QC trying to open up schools in a matter of a couple weeks is beyond bizzare to me.

From a sporting perspective, he did give a mention of when sports come back it would be in empty arenas/stadiums. But its clear, that's far from a priority of his governments and on that he is 100% correct.

[mtcan]

Road Map, not a calendar.

Not a Ford fan by any means, but although some will criticize the vagueness of his plan I have to say I am okay with his slow and steady approach. QC trying to open up schools in a matter of a couple weeks is beyond bizzare to me.

From a sporting perspective, he did give a mention of when sports come back it would be in empty arenas/stadiums. But its clear, that's far from a priority of his governments and on that he is 100% correct.

The numbers will dictate when things happen.

He already stated that daily new cases of covid would need to be down in the 200s and we would have to see a consistent downward trend for a few weeks straight...so that is how to follow when stuff reopens.

[jaymeister15]

Road Map, not a calendar.

Not a Ford fan by any means, but although some will criticize the vagueness of his plan I have to say I am okay with his slow and steady approach. QC trying to open up schools in a matter of a couple weeks is beyond bizzare to me.

From a sporting perspective, he did give a mention of when sports come back it would be in empty arenas/stadiums. But its clear, that's far from a priority of his governments and on that he is 100% correct.

I was hoping for a bit more detail regarding the types of businesses that were to be included in each "phase". Hopefully a more detailed outline is coming this week.

I also don't have too much of an issue with the road map vs. calendar thing, I just hope the data they use makes sense. He mentioned the number of new cases having to come down consistently over a 2-4 week period. That part doesn't make a ton of sense to me considering:

- They are now testing a significantly higher number of people daily than they were even as of a week or two ago. Not because there are more people showing up sick/hospitalized per day, but because they are widening the range of what constitutes a test being needed. The number of daily cases went up for a few days in a row recently (until the last couple days), but the percentage of positive tests has gone down significantly (I think from something like 11% positive to 5%)

- The long term care outbreaks represent such a high percentage of hospitalizations and overall cases, and they are testing everybody at a lot of these homes

More testing is good in general, no issue there. But, it seems like if the barometer being used to decide when to start each of these phases is simply the number of new cases going down, it's going to be hard to meet that when you are widening the net of people being tested, and aren't comparing apples to apples. It would also make sense to me to exclude the long term care home outbreaks from consideration when it comes to the loosening of restrictions for the general public.

I have to assume they are actually taking these things into account, but if that's the case, I wish that Ford didn't go out of his way a few times today to specially mention the number of new cases dropping with no other context as the guiding number.

[mtcan]

Road Map, not a calendar.

Not a Ford fan by any means, but although some will criticize the vagueness of his plan I have to say I am okay with his slow and steady approach. QC trying to open up schools in a matter of a couple weeks is beyond bizzare to me.

From a sporting perspective, he did give a mention of when sports come back it would be in empty arenas/stadiums. But its clear, that's far from a priority of his governments and on that he is 100% correct.

I was hoping for a bit more detail regarding the types of businesses that were to be included in each "phase". Hopefully a more detailed outline is coming this week.

I also don't have too much of an issue with the road map vs. calendar thing, I just hope the data they use makes sense. He mentioned the number of new cases having to come down consistently over a 2-4 week period. That part doesn't make a ton of sense to me considering:

- They are now testing a significantly higher number of people daily than they were even as of a week or two ago. Not because there are more people showing up sick/hospitalized per day, but because they are widening the range of what constitutes a test being needed. The number of daily cases went up for a few days in a row recently (until the last couple days), but the percentage of positive tests has gone down significantly (I think from something like 11% positive to 5%)

- The long term care outbreaks represent such a high percentage of hospitalizations and overall cases, and they are testing everybody at a lot of these homes

More testing is good in general, no issue there. But, it seems like if the barometer being used to decide when to start each of these phases is simply the number of new cases going down, it's going to be hard to meet that when you are widening the net of people being tested, and aren't comparing apples to apples. It would also make sense to me to exclude the long term care home outbreaks from consideration when it comes to the loosening of restrictions for the general public.

I have to assume they are actually taking these things into account, but if that's the case, I wish that Ford didn't go out of his way a few times today to specially mention the number of new cases dropping with no other context as the guiding number.

He already mentioned that his magic number for reopening things is 200 cases or less per day consistently...we are probably weeks away from that...and hopefully we actually get there.

[jaymeister15]

He already mentioned that his magic number for reopening things is 200 cases or less per day consistently...we are probably weeks away from that...and hopefully we actually get there.

I just don't think using the number of new daily cases without any other context as the magic number makes much sense.

If for example, 2 weeks from now there are 350 new cases a day, but 125 of them are in long term care homes and 75 of them are people that are asymptomatic who wouldn't have been tested a few weeks ago, and who won't take up any spots in the hospitals/ICUs, does it make sense to stick to that 200 case a day number?

Obviously I'm not the first person to think of this stuff, they are the experts and I would assume they are going to take context into account instead of blindly sticking to one simple number when making important decisions like this. But, I do think it's fair to question their methodology when it's the same group of experts that made a presentation to the public 3 weeks ago stating that the models used to guide government policy showed that with the current social distancing guidelines in place they expected Ontario alone to have 80,000 diagnosed cases by the end of April.

[C Court]

Here is an interesting 60 MINUTES story on Toronto's Blue Dot and how their computer algorithms were able to predict the international spread of Covid-19 and help hospitals like Humber River benefit from advance notice.

If you look closely, you can see a map with big blue circles around New York and Toronto - indicating that both accepted a large number of air travelers from Wuhan. Yet Toronto had nowhere near the outbreak that hit New York.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/coronavirus-outbreak-computer-algorithm-artificial-intelligence/

[Fairview4Life]

Here is an interesting 60 MINUTES story on Toronto's Blue Dot and how their computer algorithms were able to predict the international spread of Covid-19 and help hospitals like Humber River benefit from advance notice.

If you look closely, you can see a map with big blue circles around New York and Toronto - indicating that both accepted a large number of air travelers from Wuhan. Yet Toronto had nowhere near the outbreak that hit New York.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/coronavirus-outbreak-computer-algorithm-artificial-intelligence/

Cuomo and De Blasio have done a really poor job.

[Raps in 4]

Germany just made wearing masks in public mandatory as they start to re-open the economy. Remember when some folks (and our government) were saying masks were useless a few weeks ago because Asian doctors didn't know what they were talking about?

[VintageVince]

Germany just made wearing masks in public mandatory as they start to re-open the economy. Remember when some folks (and our government) were saying masks were useless a few weeks ago because Asian doctors didn't know what they were talking about?

I think they very well knew it was good to wear masks, they intentionally told the public that it was not necessary because there was a shortage of masks, and they wanted the healthcare workers to get the masks first instead of Bob and Billy stock piling on masks and selling them on Kijiji.

I don't think our government is as stupid as we think.

[omar36]

Germany just made wearing masks in public mandatory as they start to re-open the economy. Remember when some folks (and our government) were saying masks were useless a few weeks ago because Asian doctors didn't know what they were talking about?

I think they very well knew it was good to wear masks, they intentionally told the public that it was not necessary because there was a shortage of masks, and they wanted the healthcare workers to get the masks first instead of Bob and Billy stock piling on masks and selling them on Kijiji.

I don't think our government is as stupid as we think.

yup and there was general worry that ppl would think masks = no need to distance. Masks/gloves are great but so is just not being around ppl if u dont have too.

makes sense to make it mandatory u know if we had enough masks for everyone but do we? my mom gets a few extra masks from the hospitals and thats what her and I use when we go out. outside that, i had a hard time finding them. gloves easier tho