Tank World Order

[RapsFan2000]

The Raptors fanbase is truly trash. We lose some games and here come all the GM's and new Raptor fans after our Championship Win. Wow guys, breathe, relax. We aren't a championship contender this year but have some respect for your team and the players who delivered you a damn championship. Ungrateful. We've lost a couple games but we'll still be a playoff team but we definitely aren't tanking. We lost Ibaka/Gasol and we're learning life without them. Give them at least 15-20 games. If nothing then, then I would agree for a trade possibly. But who can we realistically get for an aging Lowry? Who can we get for Powell? My only take on this is that I am slowly getting upset with Siakam, mostly at how much we paid him. I would want to keep Lowry as a veteran leader in the locker room on the low, like a Haslem.

It seems to me most of the people who are advocating for transitioning to an asset-building mode from contender status are members that have been here for over 10 years... I would guess, most of those fans know all about the pain of losing, but they think if we start now by trading players that will surely be gone next year for future assets, that inevitable pain may be shortened.

We have had respect for those who brought us a Championship... They had their victory lap and a commendable title defence last year. Now four of those members who brought us that championship have moved on at their own choice... How much more respect do we have to give those who are remaining?

Is this really about making the Raptors better for the future, or your own loyalty to a specific name on the back of the jersey rather than the name on the front? Are we fans of a team/organization or a fans of a player?

What is Lowry? Is he the invaluable franchise player with 3 more years left and just needs a Harden-like trade to put us back into contender status? Or, is he the aging veteran who won't get us anything on the trade market? He can't be both... Secondly, If you think Lowry is going to stay around on bargain contract like U.Haslem mentoring the young players on Raps culture, I'm not sure you have much grasp on what Lowry prioritizes, but organizational loyalty is far down the list.

Yeah, of course you know it all right? Most who are advocating are delusional fans and new fans of the Raptors. You think all these posters are here from 2000?? I know the pain of losing and STICKING WITH MY TEAM. NOT THE NAME ON THE BACK OF THE JERSEY! Lowry gets an exception here and should retire a Raptor as being a leader on and off the court.

I'm not going to respond to the rest of your idiotic post. You clearly know what Lowry prioritizes right? Did you have a phone call with him last night? Are you Cancun bestfriends? Pure speculation so quiet down. Probably a leafs fan and comes around after we win a championship lmao

[anotherhomer]

i been on the board for 14 years and member 12 years

pragmatically, it make sense to transition to asset building mode

The Raptors fanbase is truly trash. We lose some games and here come all the GM's and new Raptor fans after our Championship Win. Wow guys, breathe, relax. We aren't a championship contender this year but have some respect for your team and the players who delivered you a damn championship. Ungrateful. We've lost a couple games but we'll still be a playoff team but we definitely aren't tanking. We lost Ibaka/Gasol and we're learning life without them. Give them at least 15-20 games. If nothing then, then I would agree for a trade possibly. But who can we realistically get for an aging Lowry? Who can we get for Powell? My only take on this is that I am slowly getting upset with Siakam, mostly at how much we paid him. I would want to keep Lowry as a veteran leader in the locker room on the low, like a Haslem.

It seems to me most of the people who are advocating for transitioning to an asset-building mode from contender status are members that have been here for over 10 years... I would guess, most of those fans know all about the pain of losing, but they think if we start now by trading players that will surely be gone next year for future assets, that inevitable pain may be shortened.

We have had respect for those who brought us a Championship... They had their victory lap and a commendable title defence last year. Now four of those members who brought us that championship have moved on at their own choice... How much more respect do we have to give those who are remaining?

Is this really about making the Raptors better for the future, or your own loyalty to a specific name on the back of the jersey rather than the name on the front? Are we fans of a team/organization or a fans of a player?

What is Lowry? Is he the invaluable franchise player with 3 more years left and just needs a Harden-like trade to put us back into contender status? Or, is he the aging veteran who won't get us anything on the trade market? He can't be both... Secondly, If you think Lowry is going to stay around on bargain contract like U.Haslem mentoring the young players on Raps culture, I'm not sure you have much grasp on what Lowry prioritizes, but organizational loyalty is far down the list.

[Randle McMurphy]

The thing with tanking I realized over the years, it requires sinking too deep. If you tank you need to be really bad, and no one or even more great selections at the draft will elevate you from tank terribleness. Thats why tanking teams almost never turn it around but remain shi**y. Look at all these teams, all these teams at the bottom, are the same teams that were at the bottom 10 years ago, pretty much.
Kawhi move showed that its better to try being as good as possible, keep your assets at high value, and one lucky move and boom, its unlikely, but not that much unlikely that getting huge boost from tanking years, and if you good and get a boos - you are great, if you are a tanking team and get a boost - you are a treadmill team.

How did the Raptors get JV who was the acquisition cost for Gasol (the player who pushed the team over the top to win a championship)? They tanked.

Even if you don't get a superstar and instead just a good player, it all comes back around in the end.

[RapsFan2000]

I think a trade can shake things up! Remember when we traded Rudy and suddenly Pat Patterson / Grievas Vasquez / John Salmons were superstars and helped lead us to the playoffs. So, who is are Rudy this season?

Most posters don't remember the dark days brother lol..... everyone expects a championship team after winning 1 title.. LOL.

So it's wrong for fans to expect a championship? Just because this team had dark days in the past, we should be happy to settle for mediocrity and just be happy with trying to make the playoffs, despite there being no realistic shot of competing with this core?

As someone who has followed this team since the dark days as well, I don't think that's an excuse for the front office to sell mediocrity and call it progress. No one in this thread calling for a rebuild expects to see a championship right away. What we do want to see is a path to future success. Some type of course charted by the front office that has us steadily get better until we can become a contender. What we don't want to see is a status quo that has us stagnant for several years. That is where a core of Siakam/FVV is gonna lead us.

We won a title, so what, that's it, we should be happy with being mediocre for the foreseeable future now?

Yeah, after a championship, losing Kawhi, then Ibaka, Gasol... wtf do you expect? LETS DUMP THE WHOLE SQUAD EH??? You aren't a GM for a reason. No, I said GIVE US 20 GAMES. Unlike you fake delusional fans who cry like some children after 6 games. Goodness gracious, calm your man boobies and let them play a good portion of games before you play Online GM for the Raptors you friggin NOOB!

[metafisical]

TBH I don't blame Masai for the contracts of Siakim, FVV and OG. The fact is free agents and many of our own players do not want to play for us. They play for us because we can offer the most money. They don't care about our museums, clubs, restaurants, culture or girls -- only us posters think that kind of stuff is important. We are not LA or Miami.

We have to overpay our own players. If you have followed this team at all, we have always had to do that for certain players (e.g., Jerome Williams).

We ain't getting any stars in free agency. We never have. We can get them via trade, but do you think our players, as they are with their "because its Toronto" contracts will net us any stars? I doubt it. Just because we did it for Kawhi, doesn't mean we will always strike gold.

Unless our current team starts to play better, our path is pointing to a stealth tank. I am supportive of it, but I do not want to be a perennial tank team. Only enough to build a solid and cheap core (e.g., Boston).

[RapsFan2000]

i been on the board for 14 years and member 12 years

pragmatically, it make sense to transition to asset building mode

The Raptors fanbase is truly trash. We lose some games and here come all the GM's and new Raptor fans after our Championship Win. Wow guys, breathe, relax. We aren't a championship contender this year but have some respect for your team and the players who delivered you a damn championship. Ungrateful. We've lost a couple games but we'll still be a playoff team but we definitely aren't tanking. We lost Ibaka/Gasol and we're learning life without them. Give them at least 15-20 games. If nothing then, then I would agree for a trade possibly. But who can we realistically get for an aging Lowry? Who can we get for Powell? My only take on this is that I am slowly getting upset with Siakam, mostly at how much we paid him. I would want to keep Lowry as a veteran leader in the locker room on the low, like a Haslem.

It seems to me most of the people who are advocating for transitioning to an asset-building mode from contender status are members that have been here for over 10 years... I would guess, most of those fans know all about the pain of losing, but they think if we start now by trading players that will surely be gone next year for future assets, that inevitable pain may be shortened.

We have had respect for those who brought us a Championship... They had their victory lap and a commendable title defence last year. Now four of those members who brought us that championship have moved on at their own choice... How much more respect do we have to give those who are remaining?

Is this really about making the Raptors better for the future, or your own loyalty to a specific name on the back of the jersey rather than the name on the front? Are we fans of a team/organization or a fans of a player?

What is Lowry? Is he the invaluable franchise player with 3 more years left and just needs a Harden-like trade to put us back into contender status? Or, is he the aging veteran who won't get us anything on the trade market? He can't be both... Secondly, If you think Lowry is going to stay around on bargain contract like U.Haslem mentoring the young players on Raps culture, I'm not sure you have much grasp on what Lowry prioritizes, but organizational loyalty is far down the list.

LMAOOO who gives a FLYING FUC* how long you been here, you loner. It doesn't make you a real fan or a remote basketball player. Have you ever played basketball to a professional level? Just cause you roam a website for years, doesn't make you more knowledgeable than the average user.

[KL78192020]

The Raptors fanbase is truly trash. We lose some games and here come all the GM's and new Raptor fans after our Championship Win. Wow guys, breathe, relax. We aren't a championship contender this year but have some respect for your team and the players who delivered you a damn championship. Ungrateful. We've lost a couple games but we'll still be a playoff team but we definitely aren't tanking. We lost Ibaka/Gasol and we're learning life without them. Give them at least 15-20 games. If nothing then, then I would agree for a trade possibly. But who can we realistically get for an aging Lowry? Who can we get for Powell? My only take on this is that I am slowly getting upset with Siakam, mostly at how much we paid him. I would want to keep Lowry as a veteran leader in the locker room on the low, like a Haslem.

It seems to me most of the people who are advocating for transitioning to an asset-building mode from contender status are members that have been here for over 10 years... I would guess, most of those fans know all about the pain of losing, but they think if we start now by trading players that will surely be gone next year for future assets, that inevitable pain may be shortened.

We have had respect for those who brought us a Championship... They had their victory lap and a commendable title defence last year. Now four of those members who brought us that championship have moved on at their own choice... How much more respect do we have to give those who are remaining?

Is this really about making the Raptors better for the future, or your own loyalty to a specific name on the back of the jersey rather than the name on the front? Are we fans of a team/organization or a fans of a player?

What is Lowry? Is he the invaluable franchise player with 3 more years left and just needs a Harden-like trade to put us back into contender status? Or, is he the aging veteran who won't get us anything on the trade market? He can't be both... Secondly, If you think Lowry is going to stay around on bargain contract like U.Haslem mentoring the young players on Raps culture, I'm not sure you have much grasp on what Lowry prioritizes, but organizational loyalty is far down the list.

Yeah, of course you know it all right? Most who are advocating are delusional fans and new fans of the Raptors. You think all these posters are here from 2000?? I know the pain of losing and STICKING WITH MY TEAM. NOT THE NAME ON THE BACK OF THE JERSEY! Lowry gets an exception here and should retire a Raptor as being a leader on and off the court.

I'm not going to respond to the rest of your idiotic post. You clearly know what Lowry prioritizes right? Did you have a phone call with him last night? Are you Cancun bestfriends? Pure speculation so quiet down. Probably a leafs fan and comes around after we win a championship lmao

The guy gave you a perfectly reasonable answer and you seem quite upset. There is no loyalty here, the Raptors traded Demar to win and now need to trade Lowry/Powell for the next stage of the rebuild.

[RapsFan2000]

It seems to me most of the people who are advocating for transitioning to an asset-building mode from contender status are members that have been here for over 10 years... I would guess, most of those fans know all about the pain of losing, but they think if we start now by trading players that will surely be gone next year for future assets, that inevitable pain may be shortened.

We have had respect for those who brought us a Championship... They had their victory lap and a commendable title defence last year. Now four of those members who brought us that championship have moved on at their own choice... How much more respect do we have to give those who are remaining?

Is this really about making the Raptors better for the future, or your own loyalty to a specific name on the back of the jersey rather than the name on the front? Are we fans of a team/organization or a fans of a player?

What is Lowry? Is he the invaluable franchise player with 3 more years left and just needs a Harden-like trade to put us back into contender status? Or, is he the aging veteran who won't get us anything on the trade market? He can't be both... Secondly, If you think Lowry is going to stay around on bargain contract like U.Haslem mentoring the young players on Raps culture, I'm not sure you have much grasp on what Lowry prioritizes, but organizational loyalty is far down the list.

Yeah, of course you know it all right? Most who are advocating are delusional fans and new fans of the Raptors. You think all these posters are here from 2000?? I know the pain of losing and STICKING WITH MY TEAM. NOT THE NAME ON THE BACK OF THE JERSEY! Lowry gets an exception here and should retire a Raptor as being a leader on and off the court.

I'm not going to respond to the rest of your idiotic post. You clearly know what Lowry prioritizes right? Did you have a phone call with him last night? Are you Cancun bestfriends? Pure speculation so quiet down. Probably a leafs fan and comes around after we win a championship lmao

The guy gave you a perfectly reasonable answer and you seem quite upset. There is no loyalty here, the Raptors traded Demar to win and now need to trade Lowry/Powell for the next stage of the rebuild.

Here comes to the defense, the man without a woman. No reasonable answer.. his OPINION. Carry on

[Steelo Green]

Yeah, of course you know it all right? Most who are advocating are delusional fans and new fans of the Raptors. You think all these posters are here from 2000?? I know the pain of losing and STICKING WITH MY TEAM. NOT THE NAME ON THE BACK OF THE JERSEY! Lowry gets an exception here and should retire a Raptor as being a leader on and off the court.

I'm not going to respond to the rest of your idiotic post. You clearly know what Lowry prioritizes right? Did you have a phone call with him last night? Are you Cancun bestfriends? Pure speculation so quiet down. Probably a leafs fan and comes around after we win a championship lmao

The guy gave you a perfectly reasonable answer and you seem quite upset. There is no loyalty here, the Raptors traded Demar to win and now need to trade Lowry/Powell for the next stage of the rebuild.

Here comes to the defense, the man without a woman. No reasonable answer.. his OPINION. Carry on

Sick comeback bro.

[macNcheese3]

It’s hard to tank. Nurse seems like he is definitely not the right coach to lead a tank. It’s tough on the young guys as well. But if we continue losing the way we are it’s an automatic tank as is.

Having a lottery pick is enticing.

If they trade Lowry, it really isn't going to matter much what Nurse does. This group won't be good enough to win much at all.

Doesn’t seem like this group wins much with or without Lowry at this point.

[God Squad]

The Raptors fanbase is truly trash. We lose some games and here come all the GM's and new Raptor fans after our Championship Win. Wow guys, breathe, relax. We aren't a championship contender this year but have some respect for your team and the players who delivered you a damn championship. Ungrateful. We've lost a couple games but we'll still be a playoff team but we definitely aren't tanking. We lost Ibaka/Gasol and we're learning life without them. Give them at least 15-20 games. If nothing then, then I would agree for a trade possibly. But who can we realistically get for an aging Lowry? Who can we get for Powell? My only take on this is that I am slowly getting upset with Siakam, mostly at how much we paid him. I would want to keep Lowry as a veteran leader in the locker room on the low, like a Haslem.

RapsFan2000
Sophomore
Posts: 121
And1: 57
Joined: Oct 29, 2020

[Skeezo]

It seems to me most of the people who are advocating for transitioning to an asset-building mode from contender status are members that have been here for over 10 years... I would guess, most of those fans know all about the pain of losing, but they think if we start now by trading players that will surely be gone next year for future assets, that inevitable pain may be shortened.

We have had respect for those who brought us a Championship... They had their victory lap and a commendable title defence last year. Now four of those members who brought us that championship have moved on at their own choice... How much more respect do we have to give those who are remaining?

Is this really about making the Raptors better for the future, or your own loyalty to a specific name on the back of the jersey rather than the name on the front? Are we fans of a team/organization or a fans of a player?

What is Lowry? Is he the invaluable franchise player with 3 more years left and just needs a Harden-like trade to put us back into contender status? Or, is he the aging veteran who won't get us anything on the trade market? He can't be both... Secondly, If you think Lowry is going to stay around on bargain contract like U.Haslem mentoring the young players on Raps culture, I'm not sure you have much grasp on what Lowry prioritizes, but organizational loyalty is far down the list.

Yeah, of course you know it all right? Most who are advocating are delusional fans and new fans of the Raptors. You think all these posters are here from 2000?? I know the pain of losing and STICKING WITH MY TEAM. NOT THE NAME ON THE BACK OF THE JERSEY! Lowry gets an exception here and should retire a Raptor as being a leader on and off the court.

I'm not going to respond to the rest of your idiotic post. You clearly know what Lowry prioritizes right? Did you have a phone call with him last night? Are you Cancun bestfriends? Pure speculation so quiet down. Probably a leafs fan and comes around after we win a championship lmao

The guy gave you a perfectly reasonable answer and you seem quite upset. There is no loyalty here, the Raptors traded Demar to win and now need to trade Lowry/Powell for the next stage of the rebuild.

No doubt... Kid just went off the rails...

Says he's all about the the team and in the very next sentence he makes Lowry the exception... Who knows, maybe I'm wrong, but every interview and action I have seen from Lowry says that he pritoritzes

Family >> Winning >> Money >> Legacy >> Organizational Loyalty...

That order doesn't suggest that Lowry would be into a U.Haslem-like role on a home-team discount that our temper-tantrum throwing friend speculates that Lowry should do and would be willing to do.

[RapsFan2000]

The guy gave you a perfectly reasonable answer and you seem quite upset. There is no loyalty here, the Raptors traded Demar to win and now need to trade Lowry/Powell for the next stage of the rebuild.

Here comes to the defense, the man without a woman. No reasonable answer.. his OPINION. Carry on

Sick comeback bro.

Thanks dude, don't call me bro though. Cheers.

[RapsFan2000]

The Raptors fanbase is truly trash. We lose some games and here come all the GM's and new Raptor fans after our Championship Win. Wow guys, breathe, relax. We aren't a championship contender this year but have some respect for your team and the players who delivered you a damn championship. Ungrateful. We've lost a couple games but we'll still be a playoff team but we definitely aren't tanking. We lost Ibaka/Gasol and we're learning life without them. Give them at least 15-20 games. If nothing then, then I would agree for a trade possibly. But who can we realistically get for an aging Lowry? Who can we get for Powell? My only take on this is that I am slowly getting upset with Siakam, mostly at how much we paid him. I would want to keep Lowry as a veteran leader in the locker room on the low, like a Haslem.

RapsFan2000
Sophomore
Posts: 121
And1: 57
Joined: Oct 29, 2020

LOL, you think because you're on this website, makes you a real fan? A longer fan? A basketball fan? Probably never dribbled a ball. I joined this website years later to address idiots like you... that's insane people like you think this way, because you're on a website lmfaoooooo

[God Squad]

The Raptors fanbase is truly trash. We lose some games and here come all the GM's and new Raptor fans after our Championship Win. Wow guys, breathe, relax. We aren't a championship contender this year but have some respect for your team and the players who delivered you a damn championship. Ungrateful. We've lost a couple games but we'll still be a playoff team but we definitely aren't tanking. We lost Ibaka/Gasol and we're learning life without them. Give them at least 15-20 games. If nothing then, then I would agree for a trade possibly. But who can we realistically get for an aging Lowry? Who can we get for Powell? My only take on this is that I am slowly getting upset with Siakam, mostly at how much we paid him. I would want to keep Lowry as a veteran leader in the locker room on the low, like a Haslem.

RapsFan2000
Sophomore
Posts: 121
And1: 57
Joined: Oct 29, 2020

LOL, you think because you're on this website, makes you a real fan? A longer fan? A basketball fan? Probably never dribbled a ball. I joined this website years later to address idiots like you... that's insane people like you think this way, because you're on a website lmfaoooooo

Those were your words and your posting on RealGM. So clearly you're the new one here. You can question everyone's loyalty all you want. But the FACT remains you're the new one here while the rest have supported the raptors for 10 plus years. Also, just the way you interact and type shows your age. I won't respond any further.

[RapsFan2000]

Yeah, of course you know it all right? Most who are advocating are delusional fans and new fans of the Raptors. You think all these posters are here from 2000?? I know the pain of losing and STICKING WITH MY TEAM. NOT THE NAME ON THE BACK OF THE JERSEY! Lowry gets an exception here and should retire a Raptor as being a leader on and off the court.

I'm not going to respond to the rest of your idiotic post. You clearly know what Lowry prioritizes right? Did you have a phone call with him last night? Are you Cancun bestfriends? Pure speculation so quiet down. Probably a leafs fan and comes around after we win a championship lmao

The guy gave you a perfectly reasonable answer and you seem quite upset. There is no loyalty here, the Raptors traded Demar to win and now need to trade Lowry/Powell for the next stage of the rebuild.

No doubt... Kid just went off the rails...

Says he's all about the the team and in the very next sentence he makes Lowry the exception... Who knows, maybe I'm wrong, but every interview and action I have seen from Lowry says that he pritoritzes

Family >> Winning >> Money >> Legacy >> Organizational Loyalty...

That order dosen't suggest that Lowry would be into a U.Haslem-like role on a home-team discount that our temper-tantrum throwing friend speculates that Lowry should do and would be willing to do.

What kid? You moron... Just because you joined Real GM ages ago, does that make you a real fan or older? You're delusional dude.

Personal attack. Warned.
niQ

[Steelo Green]

Here comes to the defense, the man without a woman. No reasonable answer.. his OPINION. Carry on

Sick comeback bro.

Thanks dude, don't call me bro though. Cheers.

Whoosh.

[RapsFan2000]

Sick comeback bro.

Thanks dude, don't call me bro though. Cheers.

Whoosh.

<333333

[KL78192020]

The guy gave you a perfectly reasonable answer and you seem quite upset. There is no loyalty here, the Raptors traded Demar to win and now need to trade Lowry/Powell for the next stage of the rebuild.

No doubt... Kid just went off the rails...

Says he's all about the the team and in the very next sentence he makes Lowry the exception... Who knows, maybe I'm wrong, but every interview and action I have seen from Lowry says that he pritoritzes

Family >> Winning >> Money >> Legacy >> Organizational Loyalty...

That order dosen't suggest that Lowry would be into a U.Haslem-like role on a home-team discount that our temper-tantrum throwing friend speculates that Lowry should do and would be willing to do.

What kid? You moron... Just because you joined Real GM ages ago, does that make you a real fan or older? You're delusional dude.

not sure why you’re so upset at everyone. How can we help you? Are you ok?

[RapsFan2000]

no one is mad dude lol. Are you sure you're ok?