Masai: We have a Young Team and there will be Growing Pains

[canada_dry]

The classic definition of Treadmill literally implies running in place and making no progress, thats the way the the term is used outside of basketball as well. In basketball it means year after year of the same thing with no progress.

What u guys are talking about is a mediocre team in no mans land. I.e that team in the 7-10 range. Now if that team was in that 7-10 range for multiple years, then they can be labeled a treadmill team, as the crucial component of "running in place with no progress " is then there.

Thats not us yet.

"Treadmill" That can include for example an actually good 50 win team every year getting a high seed but no progress or getting any closer to a title. Thats not a team in no mans land necessarily, as no mans land implies a team in that 7-10 range. Which is known to be the worst place to be as a basketball team.

Stop making ur own definitions up. English isnt make it up as u go. Lol.

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[Ackshun]

The classic definition of Treadmill literally implies running in place and making no progress, thats the way the the term is used outside of basketball as well. In basketball it means year after year of the same thing with no progress.

What u guys are talking about is a mediocre team in no mans land. I.e that team in the 7-10 range. Now if that team was in that 7-10 range for multiple years, then they can be labeled a treadmill team, as the crucial component of "running in place with no progress " is then there.

Thats not us yet.

"Treadmill" That can include for example an actually good 50 win team every year getting a high seed but no progress or getting any closer to a title. Thats not a team in no mans land necessarily, as no mans land implies a team in that 7-10 range. Which is known to be the worst place to be as a basketball team.

Stop making ur own definitions up. English isnt make it up as u go. Lol.

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LOL. Dude you literally just made up your own "classic definition".

Oh well

[pingpongrac]

Wow. Some awful takes by some usual suspects.

Seems pretty clear that we're retooling/rebuilding and getting significantly younger. Barnes, Achiuwa, GTJ, Flynn and OG are all <25 and locked up for at least 2 more seasons.

Indiana has won 38-48 games and either missed the playoffs or was knocked out in the first round for the last 7 years with no clear route to improving. They're also not a "young" team. Most of their key players (LeVert, Warren, Brogdon, Lamb) will be 27+ this season and they don't have any top prospects. Sabonis is great, but we have two players that are pretty much just as good and impactful in Siakam and FVV, and Turner is almost the exact same player he was in his rookie season. That is the classic definition of a treadmill team whereas we had ONE season of finishing with the 7th worst record in the NBA and will likely finish middle of the pack for a year or two before we'll know if we're good enough to compete or not.

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[Ackshun]

Honest question, if we're a lottery team again...like last year. What's the motivation for people to watch all year?

Do people think this fan base is going to actually stick around, like the Leaf's apathetic fan base?

I've watched a lot of games over the past 25+ years. But I have better things to do with my time than closely follow a rebuild. Been there, done that, got a replica ring.

I can see myself watching maybe 20 games. More if the team is competitive and exciting. Maybe going to a couple.

I'm in the same boat. Fan since day 1.

Nowadays I'm up at 445am. Need to have a damn good reason to stay up til 10:30pm.

[Rapsalot]

What MU said will be especially true without PS start of year and then righting ship will be tough. Dragon gone some time. Evaluate rest of team. Learn too.

[mademan]

so basically if youre not winning a title or bottoming out, youre a treadmill team? lol.

[canada_dry]

The classic definition of Treadmill literally implies running in place and making no progress, thats the way the the term is used outside of basketball as well. In basketball it means year after year of the same thing with no progress.

What u guys are talking about is a mediocre team in no mans land. I.e that team in the 7-10 range. Now if that team was in that 7-10 range for multiple years, then they can be labeled a treadmill team, as the crucial component of "running in place with no progress " is then there.

Thats not us yet.

"Treadmill" That can include for example an actually good 50 win team every year getting a high seed but no progress or getting any closer to a title. Thats not a team in no mans land necessarily, as no mans land implies a team in that 7-10 range. Which is known to be the worst place to be as a basketball team.

Stop making ur own definitions up. English isnt make it up as u go. Lol.

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LOL. Dude you literally just made up your own "classic definition".

Oh well

No i didn't... Treadmill = running in place with no progress.

LITERALLY how a treadmill works?

In sports thats being in the same place year after year with no improvement/chance at a title. That could be a good team. That could be an awful team. That could be a mediocre team.








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[canada_dry]

Whats funny is clowns in here had no problem calling a perennial 50 win Raptor team with demar/kyle a treadmill team...

NOW all of a sudden treadmill means a team in that 7-10 range? What? We werent that when u guys insisted on the Raptors being a treadmill team from 2014-2018... u guys forgot what treadmill means all of a sudden? What changed?

I think u guys change the meaning year to year just so that the Raptors fit in the definition lol.



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[NotMyKawhi]

I'm not worried abt treadmill we are bottom 7 or worse. No way we catch the bulls after all their improvements

[Ackshun]

The classic definition of Treadmill literally implies running in place and making no progress, thats the way the the term is used outside of basketball as well. In basketball it means year after year of the same thing with no progress.

What u guys are talking about is a mediocre team in no mans land. I.e that team in the 7-10 range. Now if that team was in that 7-10 range for multiple years, then they can be labeled a treadmill team, as the crucial component of "running in place with no progress " is then there.

Thats not us yet.

"Treadmill" That can include for example an actually good 50 win team every year getting a high seed but no progress or getting any closer to a title. Thats not a team in no mans land necessarily, as no mans land implies a team in that 7-10 range. Which is known to be the worst place to be as a basketball team.

Stop making ur own definitions up. English isnt make it up as u go. Lol.

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LOL. Dude you literally just made up your own "classic definition".

Oh well

No i didn't... Treadmill = running in place with no progress.

LITERALLY how a treadmill works?

In sports thats being in the same place year after year with no improvement/chance at a title. That could be a good team. That could be an awful team. That could be a mediocre team.


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Not sure what a "classic definition" means, but I cant find a reputable dictionary to corroborate your definition.

You also randomly made up this "no man's land" between 7th and 10th place. You are the one making your own definitions.

Just thought I'd point that out. Also, I see people on the treadmill all the time. Lots of them seem to be improving their health and looking fitter as the days go by. Lol

[canada_dry]

LOL. Dude you literally just made up your own "classic definition".

Oh well

No i didn't... Treadmill = running in place with no progress.

LITERALLY how a treadmill works?

In sports thats being in the same place year after year with no improvement/chance at a title. That could be a good team. That could be an awful team. That could be a mediocre team.


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Not sure what a "classic definition" means, but I cant find a reputable dictionary to corroborate your definition.

You also randomly made up this "no man's land" between 7th and 10th place. You are the one making your own definitions.

Just thought I'd point that out. Also, I see people on the treadmill all the time. Lots of them seem to be improving their health and looking fitter as the days go by. Lol

No mans land was another persons term used, that i just went with. I just seen it used multiple times. Mediocre, etc etc etc. Still different from "treadmill ".

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[canada_dry]

LOL. Dude you literally just made up your own "classic definition".

Oh well

No i didn't... Treadmill = running in place with no progress.

LITERALLY how a treadmill works?

In sports thats being in the same place year after year with no improvement/chance at a title. That could be a good team. That could be an awful team. That could be a mediocre team.


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Not sure what a "classic definition" means, but I cant find a reputable dictionary to corroborate your definition.

You also randomly made up this "no man's land" between 7th and 10th place. You are the one making your own definitions.

Just thought I'd point that out. Also, I see people on the treadmill all the time. Lots of them seem to be improving their health and looking fitter as the days go by. Lol

Cambridge dictionary:

"any type of repeated work that is boring and makes you feel tired and seems to have no positive effect and no end:

There were days when having kids seemed like an endless treadmill of feeding, washing, and nappy-changing."

Does NOT mean mediocre or subpar. Which is whats being described by most here.

Thats how its used in general. In basketball, it derives from that . Stuck in place.(multiple years) + no positive effect (championship or at least legit contention)

Cambridge dictionary classic enough? Lol



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[Ackshun]

No i didn't... Treadmill = running in place with no progress.

LITERALLY how a treadmill works?

In sports thats being in the same place year after year with no improvement/chance at a title. That could be a good team. That could be an awful team. That could be a mediocre team.


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Not sure what a "classic definition" means, but I cant find a reputable dictionary to corroborate your definition.

You also randomly made up this "no man's land" between 7th and 10th place. You are the one making your own definitions.

Just thought I'd point that out. Also, I see people on the treadmill all the time. Lots of them seem to be improving their health and looking fitter as the days go by. Lol

No mans land was another persons term used, that i just went with. I just seen it used multiple times. Mediocre, etc etc etc. Still different from "treadmill ".

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Yeah. It's tough to define any of those terms.

[Ackshun]

No i didn't... Treadmill = running in place with no progress.

LITERALLY how a treadmill works?

In sports thats being in the same place year after year with no improvement/chance at a title. That could be a good team. That could be an awful team. That could be a mediocre team.


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Not sure what a "classic definition" means, but I cant find a reputable dictionary to corroborate your definition.

You also randomly made up this "no man's land" between 7th and 10th place. You are the one making your own definitions.

Just thought I'd point that out. Also, I see people on the treadmill all the time. Lots of them seem to be improving their health and looking fitter as the days go by. Lol

Cambridge dictionary:

"any type of repeated work that is boring and makes you feel tired and seems to have no positive effect and no end:

There were days when having kids seemed like an endless treadmill of feeding, washing, and nappy-changing."

Does NOT mean mediocre or subpar. Which is whats being described by most here.

Thats how its used in general. In basketball, it derives from that . Stuck in place.(multiple years) + no positive effect (championship or at least legit contention)

Cambridge dictionary classic enough? Lol



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OK good definition that somewhat supports your argument. But just because it has a fancy name in Cambridge, it doesn't make it classic. They are relatively new to the dictionary publishing business I believe. But now I'm just having too much fun here.

[ATLTimekeeper]

Stick your head in the sand if you want. That’s on you. This is a damn treadmill team if I’ve ever seen one and I’ve been watching the NBA religiously since 2001.

You also said you want the team to tank so that you can fantasize about players, so that's entirely on your lack of imagination. It's perceptive of you to articulate that specific quality, because 99% of people that share the same views as you aren't as honest or contemplative, but those that are less sure of the future or more imaginative of the possibilities aren't the ones with their head in the sand

[LiSTWithLani]

No i didn't... Treadmill = running in place with no progress.

LITERALLY how a treadmill works?

In sports thats being in the same place year after year with no improvement/chance at a title. That could be a good team. That could be an awful team. That could be a mediocre team.


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Not sure what a "classic definition" means, but I cant find a reputable dictionary to corroborate your definition.

You also randomly made up this "no man's land" between 7th and 10th place. You are the one making your own definitions.

Just thought I'd point that out. Also, I see people on the treadmill all the time. Lots of them seem to be improving their health and looking fitter as the days go by. Lol

Cambridge dictionary:

"any type of repeated work that is boring and makes you feel tired and seems to have no positive effect and no end:

There were days when having kids seemed like an endless treadmill of feeding, washing, and nappy-changing."

Does NOT mean mediocre or subpar. Which is whats being described by most here.

Thats how its used in general. In basketball, it derives from that . Stuck in place.(multiple years) + no positive effect (championship or at least legit contention)

Cambridge dictionary classic enough? Lol



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no positive effect - that by definition means negative. Without progress you are remaining in the same place.

The Raptors are young and have growth trajectory due to availability of minutes, age, athleticism and advanced metrics.

A treadmill is not falling into the late lottery, but not playoffs once. It's being too good to get a high enough pick and not good enough to advance in the playoffs consistently.
We have the upward trajectory in my opinion.

Lani@LaniStern.com

[Kingsway_fan]

Whats funny is clowns in here had no problem calling a perennial 50 win Raptor team with demar/kyle a treadmill team...

NOW all of a sudden treadmill means a team in that 7-10 range? What? We werent that when u guys insisted on the Raptors being a treadmill team from 2014-2018... u guys forgot what treadmill means all of a sudden? What changed?

I think u guys change the meaning year to year just so that the Raptors fit in the definition lol.



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Lol recent fans of the past 10 years are indeed spoiled.

Makes me even appreciate more what superstar VC did for the franchise playing with total d League scrubs... and minor league coach and management.

Now, we have a team that includes fred, pascal, OG, Flynn, Barnes, Boucher, Trent, etc... and they whine about treadmill ,lol

How about watching Araujo, muggy, Williams, and a host of unathletic players, season after season?! ...this era has its share of spoiled fans, indeed.

[Jerry Lucas]

I'm just curious - how many people commenting on here actually listened to the CBC podcast where Masai made this comment?

It seems as though people are making a lot of inferences about what he might have meant from this one quote, but much of that is stuff that didn't come through for me at all based upon the full context of the conversation.

I skimmed through until Masai started talking about this year's team. Starts around the 10 minute mark. For those who are saying retool in this thread you are about to be in shambles. Masai literally said "We are going to rebuild as a team." If Team Retool still wants to be delusional from here on out, go ahead, but Masai said we're rebuilding.

I've also been seeing many posters misconstrue what Masai meant when he said "there will be growing pains." I guess it must be due to wishful thinking, but Masai likely did not mean growing pains in the sense that this will still be a playoff team. If that was what he meant, he could have followed up that line with something "but our defense will still be our calling card and we expect to be much better than we were last year in Tampa."

That's not what he followed that statement up with. He said "trust me, sometimes it's gonna be tough to watch." In my experience as a sports fan, team executives never make comments like this before an upcoming season starts unless they are setting expectations for a non-competitive, rebuilding team. Face it Team Mediocre, the posters that are taking an early look at the 2022 draft are way more grounded in reality, even though I've seen a lot of those posts getting spun as negative.

I'm not sure why some are so vehemently against another non-playoff season, we will be adding another top young player via the 2022 draft and the growth of our current young players like OG/Trent/Scottie/Malachi/Precious/Dalano will be fun to watch.

[aminiaturebuddha]

I'm just curious - how many people commenting on here actually listened to the CBC podcast where Masai made this comment?

It seems as though people are making a lot of inferences about what he might have meant from this one quote, but much of that is stuff that didn't come through for me at all based upon the full context of the conversation.

I skimmed through until Masai started talking about this year's team. Starts around the 10 minute mark. For those who are saying retool in this thread you are about to be in shambles. Masai literally said "We are going to rebuild as a team." If Team Retool still wants to be delusional from here on out, go ahead, but Masai said we're rebuilding.

I've also been seeing many posters misconstrue what Masai meant when he said "there will be growing pains." I guess it must be due to wishful thinking, but Masai likely did not mean growing pains in the sense that this will still be a playoff team. If that was what he meant, he could have followed up that line with something "but our defense will still be our calling card and we expect to be much better than we were last year in Tampa."

That's not what he followed that statement up with. He said "trust me, sometimes it's gonna be tough to watch." In my experience as a sports fan, team executives never make comments like this before an upcoming season starts unless they are setting expectations for a non-competitive, rebuilding team. Face it Team Mediocre, the posters that are taking an early look at the 2022 draft are way more grounded in reality, even though I've seen a lot of those posts getting spun as negative.

I'm not sure why some are so vehemently against another non-playoff season, we will be adding another top young player via the 2022 draft and the growth of our current young players like OG/Trent/Scottie/Malachi/Precious/Dalano will be fun to watch.

What is "Team Mediocre"?

[Johnny Bball]

The classic definition of Treadmill literally implies running in place and making no progress, thats the way the the term is used outside of basketball as well. In basketball it means year after year of the same thing with no progress.

What u guys are talking about is a mediocre team in no mans land. I.e that team in the 7-10 range. Now if that team was in that 7-10 range for multiple years, then they can be labeled a treadmill team, as the crucial component of "running in place with no progress " is then there.

Thats not us yet.

"Treadmill" That can include for example an actually good 50 win team every year getting a high seed but no progress or getting any closer to a title. Thats not a team in no mans land necessarily, as no mans land implies a team in that 7-10 range. Which is known to be the worst place to be as a basketball team.

Stop making ur own definitions up. English isnt make it up as u go. Lol.

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LOL. Dude you literally just made up your own "classic definition".

Oh well

No he didn't. Trying to state we are a treadmill team before we've played ONE average season is pretty ridiculous.