PG: The Scottie Barnes Experience

[Steven1562]

Our halfcourt offense is gonna ugly at times this season but our defense is gonna be nasty. OG, Barnes and Siakam. So much size, length and switchability. Teams are gonna have tough nights against us.

[nikster]

You guys talk about slow like you didn't watch DeRozan. Scottie isn't slow.

Not a bad kind of comparison. We were all expecting Demar to be like Carter/Wade/TMac athletically, but he was more Michael Finley. Scottie looks more in that area, needs a very clean runway and space.

Lol derozan needed runway and space? So how does the majority of his buckets come 1 vs 1

For his take offs derozan did need some runaway. He was much better at dunking of 1 foot then off of 2.

[Mikistan]

You guys talk about slow like you didn't watch DeRozan. Scottie isn't slow.

Which DeRozan did you watch? He’s always had a very quick first step.

Denigrate former players all you want but no need for lies.

LOL oh ya? If Demar had such a "very quick first step" why did he end up shooting pump-fake long 2s so much?


oh look, here is an article from 2015 addressing the "myth of Demar Derozan's athleticism"

https://www.raptorshq.com/2015/10/19/9504539/the-myth-of-demar-derozans-athleticism-toronto-raptors

[Madhouse]

I don't see Barnes playing only 18-20 minutes per game after Nurse comments the other day. Will be interesting to see how it shakes out when Siakam comes back.

[Sisqo]

Slow, conditioning, etc.. This is pre season guys. Keep in mind the amount of energy drained just from being nervous. Give it a little time and I'm sure the conditioning will prove not to be an issue until he hits the usual rookie wall at some point in the season.

[TheRealDeal]

Slow, conditioning, etc.. This is pre season guys. Keep in mind the amount of energy drained just from being nervous. Give it a little time and I'm sure the conditioning will prove not to be an issue until he hits the usual rookie wall at some point in the season.

Yup It takes time to get in NBA game shape and the only way to get in game shape is playing 5-on-5 basketball

There were a bunch of restrictions on practices in the NCAA last year and he was only playing 24 mins/game. That was coming off of a high school season which was never finished bc of covid

Let’s check back in again in a few months

[BryceMaxJames]

You guys talk about slow like you didn't watch DeRozan. Scottie isn't slow.

Not a bad kind of comparison. We were all expecting Demar to be like Carter/Wade/TMac athletically, but he was more Michael Finley. Scottie looks more in that area, needs a very clean runway and space.

I don't know what you are seeing but Finley is as athletic as Carter and Wade.

[niQ]

Banton has impressed me a lot. You can really see the vision when we have Banton and Barnes playing together. (We had that big run with Banton, Barnes, Yuta, Svi, and Champagnie). He's still got to cut down on the turnovers though. But hopefully that fixes itself once all the nervousness/jitters of playing in the NBA settles. Initially I thought he would go straight to the G-league but now I'm not so sure.

[ATLTimekeeper]

Banton has impressed me a lot. You can really see the vision when we have Banton and Barnes playing together. (We had that big run with Banton, Barnes, Yuta, Svi, and Champagnie). He's still got to cut down on the turnovers though. But hopefully that fixes itself once all the nervousness/jitters of playing in the NBA settles. Initially I thought he would go straight to the G-league but now I'm not so sure.

I think Banton needs a year in the gleague to just get stronger and let shots fly. He'd be way too pinned down with the Raptors. A lot of his mistakes seem to be just casualness. Making passes that aren't there. Or I've noticed smaller players will get into his handle and cause some problems.

[niQ]

Banton has impressed me a lot. You can really see the vision when we have Banton and Barnes playing together. (We had that big run with Banton, Barnes, Yuta, Svi, and Champagnie). He's still got to cut down on the turnovers though. But hopefully that fixes itself once all the nervousness/jitters of playing in the NBA settles. Initially I thought he would go straight to the G-league but now I'm not so sure.

I think Banton needs a year in the gleague to just get stronger and let shots fly. He'd be way too pinned down with the Raptors. A lot of his mistakes seem to be just casualness. Making passes that aren't there. Or I've noticed smaller players will get into his handle and cause some problems.

You're probably right. Plus, playing well in the G-League would boost his confidence as well. I guess he'll be our emergency Barnes. Though, I do feel like Banton has better handles than Barnes right now. Barnes really needs to tighten that skill.

[DreamTeam09]

Banton has impressed me a lot. You can really see the vision when we have Banton and Barnes playing together. (We had that big run with Banton, Barnes, Yuta, Svi, and Champagnie). He's still got to cut down on the turnovers though. But hopefully that fixes itself once all the nervousness/jitters of playing in the NBA settles. Initially I thought he would go straight to the G-league but now I'm not so sure.

I think Banton needs a year in the gleague to just get stronger and let shots fly. He'd be way too pinned down with the Raptors. A lot of his mistakes seem to be just casualness. Making passes that aren't there. Or I've noticed smaller players will get into his handle and cause some problems.

You're probably right. Plus, playing well in the G-League would boost his confidence as well. I guess he'll be our emergency Barnes. Though, I do feel like Banton has better handles than Barnes right now. Barnes really needs to tighten that skill.

Banton does have the better handles of the two but Barnes seems more aggressive/assertive with his handle. I agree Banton should play a lot in the gleague just to get the reps/confidence going. The big thing with the draft, especially 2nd rounders is just finding out for sure if they're NBA caliber players & Banton looks like he'll eventually belong. I hope that shot does come around.

[HumbleRen]

If Banton had an average jump shot, Flynn would be in the dog house tbh.

Flynn lucky as hell lol, better start showing out cause Banton is going to be on his ass.

[lolwut]

You guys talk about slow like you didn't watch DeRozan. Scottie isn't slow.

Which DeRozan did you watch? He’s always had a very quick first step.

Denigrate former players all you want but no need for lies.

LOL oh ya? If Demar had such a "very quick first step" why did he end up shooting pump-fake long 2s so much?


oh look, here is an article from 2015 addressing the "myth of Demar Derozan's athleticism"

https://www.raptorshq.com/2015/10/19/9504539/the-myth-of-demar-derozans-athleticism-toronto-raptors

The "Heir Canada" stuff definitely didn't help. DeRozan started as an above average jumper, and not much else. Later on, he added a lot of finesse to his game to become the crafty player that he is today. He's more Paul Pierce than Vince Carter.

The problem with combine measurements is that the tests are not universally applicable for real game scenarios. They only measure very specific movements under controlled conditions.

Full court sprint is nice, but how quickly can you accelerate from the arc to the restricted area on a drive? While dribbling a ball?

Max vertical is nice, but how quickly can you make a split second decision on when to start your jump? How much windup do you need to achieve your max vertical? With a defender draped over you?

[DreamTeam09]

Which DeRozan did you watch? He’s always had a very quick first step.

Denigrate former players all you want but no need for lies.

LOL oh ya? If Demar had such a "very quick first step" why did he end up shooting pump-fake long 2s so much?


oh look, here is an article from 2015 addressing the "myth of Demar Derozan's athleticism"

https://www.raptorshq.com/2015/10/19/9504539/the-myth-of-demar-derozans-athleticism-toronto-raptors

The "Heir Canada" stuff definitely didn't help. DeRozan started as an above average jumper, and not much else. Later on, he added a lot of finesse to his game to become the crafty player that he is today. He's more Paul Pierce than Vince Carter.

The problem with combine measurements is that the tests are not universally applicable for real game scenarios. They only measure very specific movements under controlled conditions.

Full court sprint is nice, but how quickly can you accelerate from the arc to the restricted area on a drive? While dribbling a ball?

Max vertical is nice, but how quickly can you make a split second decision on when to start your jump? How much windup do you need to achieve your max vertical? With a defender draped over you?

Demar is way more athletic than PP, not sure how that can even be stated...

You can youtube plenty of demar dunks where he's at a standstill from the 3pt line and ends up dunking on big or multiple ppl in the lanes. Is he westbrook athletic, no. Is he Lavine athletic no, but he's definitely more athletic than PP noteven sure how that can be stated. lane agility also shouldn't be the end all be all in terms of indicator of athleticism

[Basketball_Jones]

You guys talk about slow like you didn't watch DeRozan. Scottie isn't slow.

Not a bad kind of comparison. We were all expecting Demar to be like Carter/Wade/TMac athletically, but he was more Michael Finley. Scottie looks more in that area, needs a very clean runway and space.

Lol derozan needed runway and space? So how does the majority of his buckets come 1 vs 1

Demar is the Goat no doubt. I’m talking athletically like Carter/Wade/Giannis type we were expecting out of college he was not. Barnes isn’t that either.

[Basketball_Jones]

You guys talk about slow like you didn't watch DeRozan. Scottie isn't slow.

Not a bad kind of comparison. We were all expecting Demar to be like Carter/Wade/TMac athletically, but he was more Michael Finley. Scottie looks more in that area, needs a very clean runway and space.

I don't know what you are seeing but Finley is as athletic as Carter and Wade.

I think I’m remembering mainly the older version in Dallas. I can’t remember much before that.

[HiJiNX]

I don’t see this Barnes isn’t athletic thing. I really don’t. You can say that Barnes isn’t an explosive jumper through contact but you can’t say he’s not that athletic.

1. He can dunk from the free throw line.

2. He looks like he’s moving more slowly because of his proportions. He’s bulky with all limbs and a long strider and sometimes guys who are built like that don’t look like they’re going fast but they are.

3. He’s VERY fast. He may not look like it because what I said above but he is.

4. Further to the above, watch him on defence and see how much SPACE he covers as the ball is rotated. He can shut down an entire half of the court by himself.

5. The way we need to be looking at Barnes athleticism is in relation to other players on the court rather than how he looks individually. Watch him on the break and how quickly the distance between him and everyone else turns into a chasm. Then look at how easily he sheds the primary defender on his drives. Those are signs of a very athletic guy.

The only weakness in Barnes athleticism imo is that he is not explosive off two feet. Otherwise, we got a guy who is easily in the 90th percentile of athletic ability in the league.

[lolwut]

LOL oh ya? If Demar had such a "very quick first step" why did he end up shooting pump-fake long 2s so much?


oh look, here is an article from 2015 addressing the "myth of Demar Derozan's athleticism"

https://www.raptorshq.com/2015/10/19/9504539/the-myth-of-demar-derozans-athleticism-toronto-raptors

The "Heir Canada" stuff definitely didn't help. DeRozan started as an above average jumper, and not much else. Later on, he added a lot of finesse to his game to become the crafty player that he is today. He's more Paul Pierce than Vince Carter.

The problem with combine measurements is that the tests are not universally applicable for real game scenarios. They only measure very specific movements under controlled conditions.

Full court sprint is nice, but how quickly can you accelerate from the arc to the restricted area on a drive? While dribbling a ball?

Max vertical is nice, but how quickly can you make a split second decision on when to start your jump? How much windup do you need to achieve your max vertical? With a defender draped over you?

Demar is way more athletic than PP, not sure how that can even be stated...

You can youtube plenty of demar dunks where he's at a standstill from the 3pt line and ends up dunking on big or multiple ppl in the lanes. Is he westbrook athletic, no. Is he Lavine athletic no, but he's definitely more athletic than PP noteven sure how that can be stated. lane agility also shouldn't be the end all be all in terms of indicator of athleticism

I think you're severely underselling Pierce. Tell me this highlight package isn't Demar-esque.

Watch on YouTube

[Reeko]

LOL oh ya? If Demar had such a "very quick first step" why did he end up shooting pump-fake long 2s so much?


oh look, here is an article from 2015 addressing the "myth of Demar Derozan's athleticism"

https://www.raptorshq.com/2015/10/19/9504539/the-myth-of-demar-derozans-athleticism-toronto-raptors

The "Heir Canada" stuff definitely didn't help. DeRozan started as an above average jumper, and not much else. Later on, he added a lot of finesse to his game to become the crafty player that he is today. He's more Paul Pierce than Vince Carter.

The problem with combine measurements is that the tests are not universally applicable for real game scenarios. They only measure very specific movements under controlled conditions.

Full court sprint is nice, but how quickly can you accelerate from the arc to the restricted area on a drive? While dribbling a ball?

Max vertical is nice, but how quickly can you make a split second decision on when to start your jump? How much windup do you need to achieve your max vertical? With a defender draped over you?

Demar is way more athletic than PP, not sure how that can even be stated...

You can youtube plenty of demar dunks where he's at a standstill from the 3pt line and ends up dunking on big or multiple ppl in the lanes. Is he westbrook athletic, no. Is he Lavine athletic no, but he's definitely more athletic than PP noteven sure how that can be stated. lane agility also shouldn't be the end all be all in terms of indicator of athleticism

You obviously didn’t see Pierce when he was young, he was very athletic.

[DreamTeam09]

The "Heir Canada" stuff definitely didn't help. DeRozan started as an above average jumper, and not much else. Later on, he added a lot of finesse to his game to become the crafty player that he is today. He's more Paul Pierce than Vince Carter.

The problem with combine measurements is that the tests are not universally applicable for real game scenarios. They only measure very specific movements under controlled conditions.

Full court sprint is nice, but how quickly can you accelerate from the arc to the restricted area on a drive? While dribbling a ball?

Max vertical is nice, but how quickly can you make a split second decision on when to start your jump? How much windup do you need to achieve your max vertical? With a defender draped over you?

Demar is way more athletic than PP, not sure how that can even be stated...

You can youtube plenty of demar dunks where he's at a standstill from the 3pt line and ends up dunking on big or multiple ppl in the lanes. Is he westbrook athletic, no. Is he Lavine athletic no, but he's definitely more athletic than PP noteven sure how that can be stated. lane agility also shouldn't be the end all be all in terms of indicator of athleticism

You obviously didn’t see Pierce when he was young, he was very athletic.

Okay so a young PP was athletic, I knew that. To say he's as athletic as DeMar tho is still a reach. DeMar right now is way more athletic than PP at the same age and I still believe DeMar was more athletic than a young PP. I'm sure PP would tell everyone that DeMar was more athletic than him. PP maybe or definitely is the better player but DeMar is athletic and so is Barnes.

Sure if you guys are comparing them wade/tmac/Gianni's, some of the most gifted/freakish athletic players of all time, then sure they're not gonna look athletic. Comparing them to PP tho, that's a reach no matter how much highlites get posted. That's all I'm saying