Tank World Order (6.0)

[Chandan]

We could use a skilled shooter

[Los_29]

Mdenny you don't seem to have much tolerance for this here tanking business, amiright? These guys seems to think every pick will end up being pascal siakam on steroids if masai lands in the top 10, and works his magic. So contributing 1 year in is probably a minimal expectation. These tanky TWO guys are living on hopes and dreams and some unidentified fumes. Probably gasoline.

That's silly. We all know that every player drafted in the top 10 is a generational talent that is ready to dominate from day 1. Championship or bust next year (or maybe tank "one more year" to get another running mate for Scottie and our new lottery pick).

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[NotMyKawhi]

I think Scoot is the best prospect since Lebron

[mdenny]

Mdenny you don't seem to have much tolerance for this here tanking business, amiright? These guys seems to think every pick will end up being pascal siakam on steroids if masai lands in the top 10, and works his magic. So contributing 1 year in is probably a minimal expectation. These tanky TWO guys are living on hopes and dreams and some unidentified fumes. Probably gasoline.

Ive been listening to alot of david thorpe and he points out that for alot of these guys....it takes 3 or 4 years before they really learn to play. Even if they're stuffing stat sheet.....they very seldom play winning basketball which is why he was so high on barnes - he already knows how to play to some degree. Those top picks have usually played like 20 to 30 college games total. Before that, high school. So it's overly optimistic to get a guy like barnes that contributes right away every year.

As far as tanking goes...i'm for it under right conditions. Too early this season imo. But it's definitely an option come febuary if our record isnt good.

And yes....the optimism that many have for almost all these prospects is a little carried away. The same posters will be trashing alot of these guys in 2 years (like they're trashing precious) and they'll be on to the next set of prospects. Its a shiny new toy thing.

Ford and Thorpe don't seem very optimistic about this year's draft. Every prospect has a glaring question mark. Ford said that none of them would crack top 5 of past year's draft and none of them are projected as what he refers to as "tier 1 prospects" (like mobley/cade)

[720]

Mdenny you don't seem to have much tolerance for this here tanking business, amiright? These guys seems to think every pick will end up being pascal siakam on steroids if masai lands in the top 10, and works his magic. So contributing 1 year in is probably a minimal expectation. These tanky TWO guys are living on hopes and dreams and some unidentified fumes. Probably gasoline.

Ive been listening to alot of david thorpe and he points out that for alot of these guys....it takes 3 or 4 years before they really learn to play. Even if they're stuffing stat sheet.....they very seldom play winning basketball which is why he was so high on barnes - he already knows how to play to some degree. Those top picks have usually played like 20 to 30 college games total. Before that, high school. So it's overly optimistic to get a guy like barnes that contributes right away every year.

As far as tanking goes...i'm for it under right conditions. Too early this season imo. But it's definitely an option come febuary if our record isnt good.

And yes....the optimism that many have for almost all these prospects is a little carried away. The same posters will be trashing alot of these guys in 2 years (like they're trashing precious) and they'll be on to the next set of prospects. Its a shiny new toy thing.

Ford and Thorpe don't seem very optimistic about this year's draft. Every prospect has a glaring question mark. Ford said that none of them would crack top 5 of past year's draft and none of them are projected as what he refers to as "tier 1 prospects" (like mobley/cade)

This is an irrelevant point, when discussing top prospects you're always trying to make projections on ideal circumstances. What said prospect could be with the right development and work ethic. None of us think all 6-7 guys being talked about here on a regular basis are guaranteed going to be stars and no one is beholden to support said prospects if they don't pan out to what people think they could ideally be. That's just the reality of it.

The very guys you talk about, Thorpe and Chad Ford, have been wrong in the past about prospects Chad Ford famously about Darko Milicic. But that's not a big deal. It happens when making predictions over human beings we have no control over.

[mdenny]

Mdenny you don't seem to have much tolerance for this here tanking business, amiright? These guys seems to think every pick will end up being pascal siakam on steroids if masai lands in the top 10, and works his magic. So contributing 1 year in is probably a minimal expectation. These tanky TWO guys are living on hopes and dreams and some unidentified fumes. Probably gasoline.

Ive been listening to alot of david thorpe and he points out that for alot of these guys....it takes 3 or 4 years before they really learn to play. Even if they're stuffing stat sheet.....they very seldom play winning basketball which is why he was so high on barnes - he already knows how to play to some degree. Those top picks have usually played like 20 to 30 college games total. Before that, high school. So it's overly optimistic to get a guy like barnes that contributes right away every year.

As far as tanking goes...i'm for it under right conditions. Too early this season imo. But it's definitely an option come febuary if our record isnt good.

And yes....the optimism that many have for almost all these prospects is a little carried away. The same posters will be trashing alot of these guys in 2 years (like they're trashing precious) and they'll be on to the next set of prospects. Its a shiny new toy thing.

Ford and Thorpe don't seem very optimistic about this year's draft. Every prospect has a glaring question mark. Ford said that none of them would crack top 5 of past year's draft and none of them are projected as what he refers to as "tier 1 prospects" (like mobley/cade)

This is an irrelevant point, when discussing top prospects you're always trying to make projections on ideal circumstances. What said prospect could be with the right development and work ethic. None of us think all 6-7 guys being talked about here on a regular basis are guaranteed going to be stars and no one is beholden to support said prospects if they don't pan out to what people think they could ideally be. That's just the reality of it.

The very guys you talk about, Thorpe and Chad Ford, have been wrong in the past about prospects Chad Ford famously about Darko Milicic. But that's not a big deal. It happens when making predictions over human beings we have no control over.

My point is that there's a pattern: endless optimism for undrafted prospects and endless cynicism for second/third year players. Precious could very well be an extremely good player in 3 or 4 years. For the large majority of players....the development timeline is much longer and improvements more incremental than ppl often assume.

[KL78192020]

Ive been listening to alot of david thorpe and he points out that for alot of these guys....it takes 3 or 4 years before they really learn to play. Even if they're stuffing stat sheet.....they very seldom play winning basketball which is why he was so high on barnes - he already knows how to play to some degree. Those top picks have usually played like 20 to 30 college games total. Before that, high school. So it's overly optimistic to get a guy like barnes that contributes right away every year.

As far as tanking goes...i'm for it under right conditions. Too early this season imo. But it's definitely an option come febuary if our record isnt good.

And yes....the optimism that many have for almost all these prospects is a little carried away. The same posters will be trashing alot of these guys in 2 years (like they're trashing precious) and they'll be on to the next set of prospects. Its a shiny new toy thing.

Ford and Thorpe don't seem very optimistic about this year's draft. Every prospect has a glaring question mark. Ford said that none of them would crack top 5 of past year's draft and none of them are projected as what he refers to as "tier 1 prospects" (like mobley/cade)

This is an irrelevant point, when discussing top prospects you're always trying to make projections on ideal circumstances. What said prospect could be with the right development and work ethic. None of us think all 6-7 guys being talked about here on a regular basis are guaranteed going to be stars and no one is beholden to support said prospects if they don't pan out to what people think they could ideally be. That's just the reality of it.

The very guys you talk about, Thorpe and Chad Ford, have been wrong in the past about prospects Chad Ford famously about Darko Milicic. But that's not a big deal. It happens when making predictions over human beings we have no control over.

My point is that there's a pattern: endless optimism for undrafted prospects and endless cynicism for second/third year players. Precious could very well be an extremely good player in 3 or 4 years. For the large majority of players....the development timeline is much longer and improvements more incremental than ppl often assume.

If you read the thread there is just as much pessimism about some of the prospects as well. Not everyone is beaming over a guy like Chet, he has his issues and his lack of strength could flop and cause him issues. Jalen Hardy has also received his fair share of criticism.

I don't see anyone saying all these guys are gona be great.

[NotMyKawhi]

Chet getting outplayed... I thought he was a better scorer tbh I think going to Gonzaga was a mistake. He should have went to a school where everything is run through him

[NotMyKawhi]

It is a bad draft imo Getting worse by the day.


I think your best bet at a superstar is ivey

[GreatWhiteStiff]

Chet getting outplayed... I thought he was a better scorer tbh I think going to Gonzaga was a mistake. He should have went to a school where everything is run through him

I mean his effective fg% is almost 75%.

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Chet getting outplayed... I thought he was a better scorer tbh I think going to Gonzaga was a mistake. He should have went to a school where everything is run through him

He's like the 3rd or 4th option on Gonzaga. Then again you can view it as him not being assertive. By Gonzaga has Seniors, Juniors, so there is probably some hierarchy.

[Psubs]

Chet getting outplayed... I thought he was a better scorer tbh I think going to Gonzaga was a mistake. He should have went to a school where everything is run through him

I mean his effective fg% is almost 75%.

Do you know who's eFG% is 75.4%?

He's scored in double figures in every game (8) as a freshman and shot over 60% in each game for an overall 71.9%

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/kendall-brown-1.html

[JShuttlesworth]

I like the Scouting Rapport highlight packages the best, because they include all the missed FGs

Here's Ivey struggling with his jumper, but still making some great plays throughout. That dunk at 3:08 is what gets you excited. His first step is fast and he can really get to the rim in a hurry

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Scottie & Chet

[Psubs]

I like the Scouting Rapport highlight packages the best, because they include all the missed FGs

Here's Ivey struggling with his jumper, but still making some great plays throughout. That dunk at 3:08 is what gets you excited. His first step is fast and he can really get to the rim in a hurry

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Kendall Brown doesn't have many misses. Can brown be a 6'8 SG?

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/kendall-brown-1.html

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[720]

JD Davison hasn't been putting up monster numbers but he has had back to back solid games vs big teams in Miami and Gonzaga. He has a lot of talent, went a little under the radar because he opted to stay in his hometown where there isn't a lot of highschool competition.

Not saying he's a top 5 or even a top 10 pick but he has lot of tools and now he's starting to hit the three better.

[Bruin]

Kennedy Chandler would probably be top 5 if he wasn’t small

[720]

Kennedy Chandler would probably be top 5 if he wasn’t small

Yeah, too short to be a real number 1 for a great team. Sad reality.

If you look at all the last two decades past champions you need a star with size. Curry is the lone exception in 2015 but even he is 6 foot 3.

[ItsDanger]

Chet didn't do well against Bediako, not a good sign. Not sure he plays C in NBA