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[Lewenberg] Sources say Raptors intend to be buyers this deadline

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Re: [Lewenberg] Sources say Raptors intend to be buyers this deadline 

Post#341 » by Johnny Bball » Wed Jan 26, 2022 4:28 am

AkelaLoneWolf wrote:
dgr81 wrote:so basically the raps available assets are:

GTJ
Dragic
Boucher
Flynn

Wonder what a GTJ/Boucher package could net the raps.

Tbh it’s just Dragic. Boucher has been playing well enough and he won’t bring much ina trade.


I dont understand?
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Re: [Lewenberg] Sources say Raptors intend to be buyers this deadline 

Post#342 » by AkelaLoneWolf » Wed Jan 26, 2022 4:34 am

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AkelaLoneWolf wrote:
dgr81 wrote:so basically the raps available assets are:

GTJ
Dragic
Boucher
Flynn

Wonder what a GTJ/Boucher package could net the raps.

Tbh it’s just Dragic. Boucher has been playing well enough and he won’t bring much ina trade.


I dont understand?

He won't fetch much in a trade. We're better off keeping him.
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Re: [Lewenberg] Sources say Raptors intend to be buyers this deadline 

Post#343 » by Johnny Bball » Wed Jan 26, 2022 4:49 am

AkelaLoneWolf wrote:
Johnny Bball wrote:
AkelaLoneWolf wrote:Tbh it’s just Dragic. Boucher has been playing well enough and he won’t bring much ina trade.


I dont understand?

He won't fetch much in a trade. We're better off keeping him.


I really don't know what to do with him. He could be expensive to re-sign or leave, but he also might bring back a really good return because hes playing well and his salary to match is low. I thought they would trade him, now I'm not sure.
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Re: [Lewenberg] Sources say Raptors intend to be buyers this deadline 

Post#344 » by AkelaLoneWolf » Wed Jan 26, 2022 4:52 am

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AkelaLoneWolf wrote:
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I dont understand?

He won't fetch much in a trade. We're better off keeping him.


I really don't know what to do with him. He could be expensive to re-sign or leave, but he also might bring back a really good return because hes playing well and his salary to match is low. I thought they would trade him, now I'm not sure.

There are only 3 teams with capspace next summer right now: spurs, magic and pistons. i can't see any of them throwing big dollars at him.
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Re: [Lewenberg] Sources say Raptors intend to be buyers this deadline 

Post#345 » by Madhouse » Wed Jan 26, 2022 4:54 am

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dgr81 wrote:some good trade proposals by fans of other teams in this reddit thread.

https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/scppz8/serious_if_toronto_made_og_anunoby_and_gary_trent/

trading OG to the Bulls for Pat Williams, Ayo, Coby White and 2 firsts sounds like a great deal for both sides.

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Gotta take a hard look at this one. All 3 guys shoot the 3 ball well. Hard to part with OG though.

I'd probably do Pascal instead.


I would agree re Siakam.

But it all comes down to the direction of the team. We would suddenly have a really strong and cost controlled bench though.
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Re: [Lewenberg] Sources say Raptors intend to be buyers this deadline 

Post#346 » by Madhouse » Wed Jan 26, 2022 4:56 am

AkelaLoneWolf wrote:
Johnny Bball wrote:
AkelaLoneWolf wrote:Tbh it’s just Dragic. Boucher has been playing well enough and he won’t bring much ina trade.


I dont understand?

He won't fetch much in a trade. We're better off keeping him.


I bet if we acquire a legit big he will be involved in the trade
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Re: [Lewenberg] Sources say Raptors intend to be buyers this deadline 

Post#347 » by Johnny Bball » Wed Jan 26, 2022 5:36 am

AkelaLoneWolf wrote:
Johnny Bball wrote:
AkelaLoneWolf wrote:He won't fetch much in a trade. We're better off keeping him.


I really don't know what to do with him. He could be expensive to re-sign or leave, but he also might bring back a really good return because hes playing well and his salary to match is low. I thought they would trade him, now I'm not sure.

There are only 3 teams with capspace next summer right now: spurs, magic and pistons. i can't see any of them throwing big dollars at him.


Someone will throw the full MLE at him if he finishes strong. Not sure I would want to though.
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Re: [Lewenberg] Sources say Raptors intend to be buyers this deadline 

Post#348 » by VanWest82 » Wed Jan 26, 2022 6:19 am

Johnny Bball wrote:
AkelaLoneWolf wrote:
Johnny Bball wrote:
I really don't know what to do with him. He could be expensive to re-sign or leave, but he also might bring back a really good return because hes playing well and his salary to match is low. I thought they would trade him, now I'm not sure.

There are only 3 teams with capspace next summer right now: spurs, magic and pistons. i can't see any of them throwing big dollars at him.


Someone will throw the full MLE at him if he finishes strong. Not sure I would want to though.

Why would a team trade much for Boucher if his market is only MLE? It's not like his bird rights would hold much value in that scenario. Bet we keep him.
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Re: [Lewenberg] Sources say Raptors intend to be buyers this deadline 

Post#349 » by Psubs » Wed Jan 26, 2022 6:51 am

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Johnny Bball wrote:
AkelaLoneWolf wrote:There are only 3 teams with capspace next summer right now: spurs, magic and pistons. i can't see any of them throwing big dollars at him.


Someone will throw the full MLE at him if he finishes strong. Not sure I would want to though.

Why would a team trade much for Boucher if his market is only MLE? It's not like his bird rights would hold much value in that scenario. Bet we keep him.


For a playoff run. Also using Bird rights, preserve the MLE for another signing.
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Re: [Lewenberg] Sources say Raptors intend to be buyers this deadline 

Post#350 » by VanWest82 » Wed Jan 26, 2022 6:56 am

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Johnny Bball wrote:
Someone will throw the full MLE at him if he finishes strong. Not sure I would want to though.

Why would a team trade much for Boucher if his market is only MLE? It's not like his bird rights would hold much value in that scenario. Bet we keep him.


For a playoff run. Also using Bird rights, preserve the MLE for another signing.

I could see a team valuing him as a bench piece rental. But if all you’re giving him is MLE then he could decide to just sign elsewhere for MLE which many teams can offer.
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Re: [Lewenberg] Sources say Raptors intend to be buyers this deadline 

Post#351 » by Johnny Bball » Wed Jan 26, 2022 8:25 am

VanWest82 wrote:
Johnny Bball wrote:
AkelaLoneWolf wrote:There are only 3 teamsw with capspace next summer right now: spurs, magic and pistons. i can't see any of them throwing big dollars at him.


Someone will throw the full MLE at him if he finishes strong. Not sure I would want to though.

Why would a team trade much for Boucher if his market is only MLE? It's not like his bird rights would hold much value in that scenario. Bet we keep him.


His bird rights hold a lot of value because anyone trading for him (or the raptors) are capped out. And if Akela is right, and teams can only offer the MLE, you have controlled cost. I just wouldn’t want to be the team paying him 12-15 million.

And I think the MLE goes to lots of bench help etc. in the summers, right what lots of teams need right now, solid bench guys, especially bigs/ pf

I guess they just listen and if it’s salary plus a frp, they take it?
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Re: [Lewenberg] Sources say Raptors intend to be buyers this deadline 

Post#352 » by LoveMyRaps » Wed Jan 26, 2022 7:05 pm

Rockets will most definitely be looking to move Gordon for a first round pick.

Not many teams can offer up an expiring + 1st , but the Raptors can. Dragic + Flynn + 2022 1st round pick (top 10 protected) is definitely a good deal for the Raptors.
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Re: [Lewenberg] Sources say Raptors intend to be buyers this deadline 

Post#353 » by tecumseh18 » Wed Jan 26, 2022 7:07 pm

LoveMyRaps wrote:Rockets will most definitely be looking to move Gordon for a first round pick.

Not many teams can offer up an expiring + 1st , but the Raptors can. Dragic + Flynn + 2022 1st round pick (top 10 protected) is definitely a good deal for the Raptors.


The word "definitely" is working hard in your post.

I can play the game, too - e.g. "Masai will DEFINITELY not trade a FRP (and a recent FRP/ROM) for a guy who turns 34 this year."
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Post#354 » by OakleyDokely » Wed Jan 26, 2022 7:28 pm

The Raps should definitely not give up 1sts or core young players for rentals or guys in their 30s. The Raps aren't a contender, they aren't one rotation piece from being in title contention. The Raps should be in asset accumulation mode.

If the Raps can add a youngish player who will complement the core and projects to be part of that core for the next few years then it makes sense to make a deal including some quality assets.

What the Raps really need is a young star, particularly a star scorer/creator and all their energy and assets should go into acquiring or developing one.
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Post#355 » by PhilBlackson » Wed Jan 26, 2022 7:31 pm

LoveMyRaps wrote:Rockets will most definitely be looking to move Gordon for a first round pick.

Not many teams can offer up an expiring + 1st , but the Raptors can. Dragic + Flynn + 2022 1st round pick (top 10 protected) is definitely a good deal for the Raptors.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

That's not even remotely a good deal idk what you're talking about Colangelo.
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Re: [Lewenberg] Sources say Raptors intend to be buyers this deadline 

Post#356 » by LoveMyRaps » Wed Jan 26, 2022 7:38 pm

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LoveMyRaps wrote:Rockets will most definitely be looking to move Gordon for a first round pick.

Not many teams can offer up an expiring + 1st , but the Raptors can. Dragic + Flynn + 2022 1st round pick (top 10 protected) is definitely a good deal for the Raptors.


The word "definitely" is working hard in your post.

I can play the game, too - e.g. "Masai will DEFINITELY not trade a FRP (and a recent FRP/ROY) for a guy who turns 34 this year."


I don't know. I guess I'm not as high as most people are on this draft. This draft is extremely weak.
Gordon is on a 3yr team friendly deal and can easily be flipped to a contender in 2023 or 2024 for a first round pick that'll net us a better prospect than what we'd get this year.

If the goal is to be competitive this year and if the reports of the Raptors looking to trade picks to address immediate need is true (via Lewenberg) then this is the type of deal that makes some sense.

Eric Gordon is having a fantastic year and would be a great fit on this team.
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Post#357 » by planetmars » Wed Jan 26, 2022 7:43 pm

LoveMyRaps wrote:
tecumseh18 wrote:
LoveMyRaps wrote:Rockets will most definitely be looking to move Gordon for a first round pick.

Not many teams can offer up an expiring + 1st , but the Raptors can. Dragic + Flynn + 2022 1st round pick (top 10 protected) is definitely a good deal for the Raptors.


The word "definitely" is working hard in your post.

I can play the game, too - e.g. "Masai will DEFINITELY not trade a FRP (and a recent FRP/ROY) for a guy who turns 34 this year."


I don't know. I guess I'm not as high as most people are on this draft. This draft is extremely weak.
Gordon is on a 3yr team friendly deal and can easily be flipped to a contender in 2023 or 2024 for a first round pick that'll net us a better prospect than what we'd get this year.

If the goal is to be competitive this year and if the reports of the Raptors looking to trade picks to address immediate need is true (via Lewenberg) then this is the type of deal they'll do.

Eric Gordon is having a fantastic year and would be a great fit on this team.


Gordon is actually on a 2 year deal. The rest of this season, and next year. His 3rd year is fully non guaranteed. And basically only becomes guaranteed if he wins a chip.. and it may not even be he who wins the chip. It might be the Houston Rockets. I don't have the exact language of how his guarantee was written into his contract.
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Post#358 » by Asif16 » Wed Jan 26, 2022 7:45 pm

I also dont see raptors trading a first for someone who's 34 years old (Eric Gordon) Maybe a couple of 2nds maybe. The player has to be young enough to fit out age group.

One player that comes to mind? Josh Hart
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Post#359 » by TRik » Wed Jan 26, 2022 7:47 pm

LoveMyRaps wrote:
tecumseh18 wrote:
LoveMyRaps wrote:Rockets will most definitely be looking to move Gordon for a first round pick.

Not many teams can offer up an expiring + 1st , but the Raptors can. Dragic + Flynn + 2022 1st round pick (top 10 protected) is definitely a good deal for the Raptors.


The word "definitely" is working hard in your post.

I can play the game, too - e.g. "Masai will DEFINITELY not trade a FRP (and a recent FRP/ROY) for a guy who turns 34 this year."


I don't know. I guess I'm not as high as most people are on this draft. This draft is extremely weak.
Gordon is on a 3yr team friendly deal and can easily be flipped to a contender in 2023 or 2024 for a first round pick that'll net us a better prospect than what we'd get this year.

If the goal is to be competitive this year and if the reports of the Raptors looking to trade picks to address immediate need is true (via Lewenberg) then this is the type of deal they'll do.

Eric Gordon is having a fantastic year and would be a great fit on this team.


Would his age (currently 33) and injury history worry you?
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Post#360 » by LoveMyRaps » Wed Jan 26, 2022 7:52 pm

TRik wrote:
LoveMyRaps wrote:
tecumseh18 wrote:
The word "definitely" is working hard in your post.

I can play the game, too - e.g. "Masai will DEFINITELY not trade a FRP (and a recent FRP/ROY) for a guy who turns 34 this year."


I don't know. I guess I'm not as high as most people are on this draft. This draft is extremely weak.
Gordon is on a 3yr team friendly deal and can easily be flipped to a contender in 2023 or 2024 for a first round pick that'll net us a better prospect than what we'd get this year.

If the goal is to be competitive this year and if the reports of the Raptors looking to trade picks to address immediate need is true (via Lewenberg) then this is the type of deal they'll do.

Eric Gordon is having a fantastic year and would be a great fit on this team.


Would his age (currently 33) and injury history worry you?


There's definitely better trade candidates out there, but I'm just saying I could definitely see us pursuing Gordon at the deadline.
Also I wasn't aware that he's on a 2yr deal as opposed to a 3yr deal, so I'm unsure if I'd do the deal now.
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