Portland #3 trade rumors part 2

[HumbleRen]

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[Tor_Raps]

Can this thread be locked until there's a recent credible rumour here?

Hate getting my hopes up just to find people generating fake trade based on pretty much nothing lol.

[Raptors Realtor]

I am sure the Blazers prefer Siakam but Masai is waiting for the Blazers to throw more first rounders which is not going to happen. He can always tell our dumb media and Siakam gang bangers that this trade will be available at the deadline but it won't because no team can guarantee top 3 pick and not only do you need to suck bad but you also have to have some luck.

To think in 2 of the 3 seasons that we missed the playoffs we could have both 4th overall and 3rd overall picks. This is just crazy not to have this deal done right now and it's about Masai being to emotionally attached to Siakam who we cannot win with as the top option. Things made never change until Masai is gone and this talk about change seems like more Masai BS

Trades like this don't happen till draft night because teams want to see who's still on the board... And Masai is still one of the best around, so not sure what you're talking about in terms of getting rid of him... Such nonsense... Teams would be lining up to hire him.

You might have missed the trade deadline, when everyone was suggesting Masai would wit until trade deadline day to get max return. As for Siakam, just look a what the Wizards are going to receive for a younger Beal after over paying him on some massive deal. The Suns are offering Paul and his half guaranteed contract and Landry Shamet. The Heat's offer does not include Herro, so any Siakam fanboy who thinks we need to wait for some massive crazy deal and pay him some massive contract should be watching. The Raptors could have a player making 45-50 million starting at the age of 31 and then become a serious roster cap problem because of new CBA

What are you even going on about - that's quite a tangent... You were asking why a deal hasn't happened yet, and I said offseason deals that involve draft picks typically happen on draft night, not before. Also, while we're at it, Beal is older than Siakam, hasn't won anything, he's only made the playoffs a couple times in his career, has a crazy contract, is pretty injury prone, and has an NTC which limits Washington's options.

[ArthurVandelay]

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Given Jordan’s history drafting, I’d feel very confident picking 3.

[freamon]

I think there is a good win win deal with both Portland and Charlotte.

Charlotte we would have to get #2 pick Denver’s 2023 pick plus a couple of early second this year. This is a longer play because more draft compensation and two bad contracts for salary vs young player(s)

There's absolutely no reason why CHA should be trading that 2nd pick with us, none.

Reason 1 they get off 2 bad contracts
Reason 2 Scoot and L Ball don’t fit
Reason 3 PS is already in prime the player comparisons that B Miller is
Reason 4 They likely need to show L Ball they have a very good number 2 next to him. He will be off Rookie deal soon.
Reason 5 they would get most of the trade capital done this year.
Reason 6 with the draft rule they would get the 13th pick this year. With a few good SGs or SF in this area and them picking their C of the future last year you have 4 good to Great starters now to build on.

Fair number of good points here; Charlotte might prefer to accelerate and win now with Siakam rather than play for the long term with Miller or Scoot - and Scoot introduces some redundancy with Ball.

But in all this Siakam trade speculation I worry that the same reason we are thinking about trading him is exactly the reason other teams won't want him: he's one year rental and then a huge cap commitment beyond that, if you can keep him.

Does Charlotte think they are better served with that Kawhi-style short-term gamble, or do they recognize they need to build for the long term? I don't think they are good enough to make that kind of gamble.

This is why I think a Pascal trade is unlikely... As much as it could be good timing for the Raps if it happens.

[SpezNc]

Dallas doesn't need to include more salary. Everything is within an legal amount for trade. Maybe Indy is giving up a very slight bit too much here. I think Dallas is maybe slightly light too. But I'm a Raptors fan so no need to be fair. lol. Maybe we give Indy the #13 pick and get Nembhard for example. Though who knows, that might be less appealing to the Pacers since he had a pretty good rookie season and every pick is a risk.

Using ESPN trade machine i am having an error:

I tried :

Tor get Bertans
Ind get Anunoby
Dal get Hield

“The Mavericks are over the luxury tax threshold with this trade and the incoming aggregate salaries exceeded what's allowed via the 125% plus $100,000 rule. Cut $2,668,890 from the Mavericks incoming trade value to make this trade successful.”

Technically that is correct until July 1st (or July 6th after moratorium really). NBA financials reset then. Fanspo trade machine currently reflects post-July 1 but technically they are premature.

Good to know, thank you for the information. I guess they should wait for the draft before resetting the financials.

[sidsid]

We think Dallas tanked with Kyrie and Doncic in order to trade their 10th pick for Buddy Hield?

Generally the trade proposals thrown around here are pretty terrible for other teams, but I don't think this one is that bad for Dallas.

Assuming Dallas runs it back with Luka and Kyrie (no way Luka wants another tanking year), is there any player in this draft that would help them contend at #10 more than Hield? Even if you give them 2-3 years to develop, there doesn't seem to be that many high ceiling players in this draft past 3. And which other players could they realistically acquire that would be better than Hield?

Hield is an elite 3pt shooting role player that would be perfect to play off of Luka and Kyrie. And the 26th and 29th pick could actually allow them to draft some NBA-ready high-floor/low-ceiling players on rookie contracts to fill out their depth.

They can trade the 10th pick for a big that can defend. They need defense and size desperately. If they don't trade the pick even though a reach Dereck Lively II would be a better fit for them than Buddy Heild.

Outside of the restrictive Beal type trades, this is it. That 10th pick is getting them a center.

A trade with Indy will be for Turner. If we're trading directly with them it'll be a S&T based around Poetl, which I would love to do.

[raf1995]

If the third pick is valued more than Siakam (which I think it is), what would we be willing to add to Siakam to get a deal done? #14? OG? Maybe OG is included as well and we take back 23?

[720]

Yuck. Pascal is much better than Prozac

I am sure the Blazers prefer Siakam but Masai is waiting for the Blazers to throw more first rounders which is not going to happen. He can always tell our dumb media and Siakam gang bangers that this trade will be available at the deadline but it won't because no team can guarantee top 3 pick and not only do you need to suck bad but you also have to have some luck.

To think in 2 of the 3 seasons that we missed the playoffs we could have both 4th overall and 3rd overall picks. This is just crazy not to have this deal done right now and it's about Masai being to emotionally attached to Siakam who we cannot win with as the top option. Things made never change until Masai is gone and this talk about change seems like more Masai BS

The average top 3 pick turns into a player less than Siakam is now.

If the Raps feel the guy available at #3 this year is screaming franchise potential, you make the trade. If they feel the #3 pick is a bit of a crapshoot like most drafts, then you hold out for more.

We’re not gonna get a better offer than this EVER for Siakam. After this season he’s gonna sign a big extension, will be in his 30’s. Still no where close to actually contending so timelines won’t match. Get the best asset possible now. Getting 3-4 weak first round picks possibly, in the future isn’t better than a guaranteed top 3 pick in a great draft class.

[LoveMyRaps]

The only other team that seems genuinely interested in pursuing the No.2 pick is Toronto, but I’m expecting that list of teams to expand rapidly this week; again, a lot of teams have an interest in Scoot Henderson as a potential franchise cornerstone.

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[LoveMyRaps]

Masai wants SCOOT!!!!

Go and get him!!!

[Bruin]

If the third pick is valued more than Siakam (which I think it is), what would we be willing to add to Siakam to get a deal done? #14? OG? Maybe OG is included as well and we take back 23?

Bro what

[Bruin]

The only other team that seems genuinely interested in pursuing the No.2 pick is Toronto, but I’m expecting that list of teams to expand rapidly this week; again, a lot of teams have an interest in Scoot Henderson as a potential franchise cornerstone.

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Speaking of Anunoby, there is a growing sense among executives who have called the Raptors (albeit with some caution) that Pascal Siakam may be easier to deal with than Anunoby currently. One savvy executive did mention that he felt that was a means to judge market value if and when the Raptors do decide to trade Anunoby. However, it’s fair to say front offices are pretty worn out on the attempts by Toronto to get “blood from a stone” as one executive put it at the deadline in any deal. Multiple sources have described the Raptors as frustrating to deal with. So why keep calling? “There are only 29 teams to work with.”

A deal isn’t gonna happen. Masai’s reputation has gone to ****. Nobody will wanna negotiate with him

[LarSiN]

If the third pick is valued more than Siakam (which I think it is), what would we be willing to add to Siakam to get a deal done? #14? OG? Maybe OG is included as well and we take back 23?

Siakam + OG for 3 + 23 is just awful, as is Siakam + 13 for 3 (no offense to you)

[raf1995]

If the third pick is valued more than Siakam (which I think it is), what would we be willing to add to Siakam to get a deal done? #14? OG? Maybe OG is included as well and we take back 23?

Siakam + OG for 3 + 23 is just awful, as is Siakam + 13 for 3 (no offense to you)

Ok fine, but what are you willing to add to Siakam to get Scoot? Because #3 for Siakam isn’t something Portland would (or should) agree to.

[Bruin]

If the third pick is valued more than Siakam (which I think it is), what would we be willing to add to Siakam to get a deal done? #14? OG? Maybe OG is included as well and we take back 23?

Siakam + OG for 3 + 23 is just awful, as is Siakam + 13 for 3 (no offense to you)

Ok fine, but what are you willing to add to Siakam to get Scoot? Because #3 for Siakam isn’t something Portland would (or should) agree to.

We’re not adding anything. There should be no reason to add to an All NBA talent in his prime for a #3 pick

We want this deal to happen but let’s not get delusional and undervalue pascal so much. He’d be a massive addition for Portland and Dame

[LarSiN]

If the third pick is valued more than Siakam (which I think it is), what would we be willing to add to Siakam to get a deal done? #14? OG? Maybe OG is included as well and we take back 23?

Siakam + OG for 3 + 23 is just awful, as is Siakam + 13 for 3 (no offense to you)

Ok fine, but what are you willing to add to Siakam to get Scoot? Because #3 for Siakam isn’t something Portland would (or should) agree to.

I wouldn't trade Siakam for Miller, much less add assets to him. If it was CHA & a guarantee of Scoot, maybe we consider it

[Son Goku 25]

The only other team that seems genuinely interested in pursuing the No.2 pick is Toronto, but I’m expecting that list of teams to expand rapidly this week; again, a lot of teams have an interest in Scoot Henderson as a potential franchise cornerstone.

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Speaking of Anunoby, there is a growing sense among executives who have called the Raptors (albeit with some caution) that Pascal Siakam may be easier to deal with than Anunoby currently. One savvy executive did mention that he felt that was a means to judge market value if and when the Raptors do decide to trade Anunoby. However, it’s fair to say front offices are pretty worn out on the attempts by Toronto to get “blood from a stone” as one executive put it at the deadline in any deal. Multiple sources have described the Raptors as frustrating to deal with. So why keep calling? “There are only 29 teams to work with.”

A deal isn’t gonna happen. Masai’s reputation has gone to ****. Nobody will wanna negotiate with him

Teams don't want raptors to get another Kawhi like deal it sucks but it is what it is.. hope Masai stays firm though since there are other FO that can get away with this sht all the time and on other end get stars by giving up peanuts so ya, it is frustrating for everyone. I think we have the right to ask for more for guys like Siakam and OG and at minimum fair deal for FVV.

[Bruin]

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Speaking of Anunoby, there is a growing sense among executives who have called the Raptors (albeit with some caution) that Pascal Siakam may be easier to deal with than Anunoby currently. One savvy executive did mention that he felt that was a means to judge market value if and when the Raptors do decide to trade Anunoby. However, it’s fair to say front offices are pretty worn out on the attempts by Toronto to get “blood from a stone” as one executive put it at the deadline in any deal. Multiple sources have described the Raptors as frustrating to deal with. So why keep calling? “There are only 29 teams to work with.”

A deal isn’t gonna happen. Masai’s reputation has gone to ****. Nobody will wanna negotiate with him

Teams don't want raptors to get another Kawhi like deal it sucks but it is what it is.. hope Masai stays firm though since there are other FO that can get away with this sht all the time and on other end get stars by giving up peanuts so ya, it is frustrating for everyone. I think we have the right to ask for more for guys like Siakam and OG and at minimum fair deal for FVV.

Masai is a swindler when it comes to every deal until the Spurs call. Then he just bends over

[raf1995]

Siakam + OG for 3 + 23 is just awful, as is Siakam + 13 for 3 (no offense to you)

Ok fine, but what are you willing to add to Siakam to get Scoot? Because #3 for Siakam isn’t something Portland would (or should) agree to.

We’re not adding anything. There should be no reason to add to an All NBA talent in his prime for a #3 pick

We want this deal to happen but let’s not get delusional and undervalue pascal so much. He’d be a massive addition for Portland and Dame

If Pascal was 26 and had 3+ years on his deal, 3 for Pascal would be fair. But a generational PG prospect is not getting moved straight up for a 29 year old expiring contract. And yeah, he made all nba 2nd team 3 years ago, but he’s not considered a top 20 player in the nba anymore. You sound like Masai.