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Re: PG: Good Win 

Post#341 » by Tha Cynic » Fri Dec 1, 2023 10:23 pm

ItsDanger wrote:Lebron often lets his teammates get into the game before getting his own offense. Jokic does the same often but depends on situation. I think its more important that Scottie's 2nd half surge is more consistent rather than demanding he produce every quarter for every game.


They also just get the ball to operate the offense rather than having someone else who's clearly not as good run it. This is a coaching thing. The key thing here is their teams don't just have them stand off in a corner somewhere for large parts of the game. Lebron does it at times to get a breather.

During the offseason after Darko was immediately signed, all we heard was that Barnes would get the ball a ton to make decisions with the ball. That all changed in interviews with Darko after Schroder was signed. You can almost see the shift in thought process after the Germany run and Schroder himself basically gave it away that he would start and handle the point. Seems to me like either it was part of the signing negotiations or he and Darko had a talk and Darko shifted his thought process.

But, Darko seems to be throwing a lot of **** at the wall to see what sticks including Nurse's philosophies, so I'm sure he will eventually figure it out.
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Re: PG: Good Win 

Post#342 » by Tha Cynic » Fri Dec 1, 2023 10:33 pm

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nikster wrote:Isn't this how we treated fred all last season lol?


Anyone who shoots the ball not named Scottie Barnes is an enemy in the eyes of some of these fans.

Also FVV gotta get some credit for unlocking Sengun, people on here would have had you convinced he only cares about his stats and needs to have 20+ shots a game because of his ego lol


Some people are literally more interested in Scottie getting his shots/stats than the actual quality of the team.


This is such a stupid rhetoric and completely disrespects other point of views.

Maybe people think the team will be better off as a whole having Barnes simply handle the ball a ton more over anyone else currently on the team? Every time someone says Barnes should handle the ball more someone on the other side needs to come in an say something like this without even taking a second to think that maybe, just maybe, the posters think this is how the Raptors who they have been following for years would get better? Do you think posters who have been here for years were here were following some prophecy that Barnes would be born, drafted on this team, and lead this team to the promised land?

Teams are better when certain players simply run the show. We have seen countless times this season how much better this team looks when Barnes is the lead mind on offense. The issue is, they need to figure out how to do this while having Siakam not look like a bench player. What we're doing right now is basically following the same path as Chicago. I'm sure no one invests this much time on this board to see this team follow that path. Either you're trying to win today or you're trying to build towards a future. This team is doing neither by having Schroder and Flynn run the offense while having Barnes spend 3/4 of the game on the perimeter so Siakam can get going. At least try a two man game with Barnes and Siakam. They haven't even tried that.
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Re: PG: Good Win 

Post#343 » by Tha Cynic » Fri Dec 1, 2023 10:43 pm

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YogurtProducer wrote:Yeah sure - we can just get OG into the 99th percentile of all-time in terms of volume of catch and shoot 3's. That should be super easy to do, wont it?


How many times do we run plays for OG in a game for a 3? It's not as difficult as you make it seem to increase the frequency since we barely do it intentionally

We lived through Gradey Dick bricking for games. We can try with OG who is a better shooter right now..

We already do run plays for OG. He is literally top 15 in terms of Catch and shoot volume in the entire NBA. Increasing him by 2 shots would put him into the 99% percentile of attempts in NBA history.

It is crazy to suggest he can take on that kind of workload and maintain his efficiency.


We are not running that many plays for him. He's simply getting shots off broken plays and feeding off Siakam/Barnes or Schroder initiating and finding him when he's open. The Raptors can definitely try at least one or two times a game where they intentionally run plays for him. If he sucks, then he sucks, but you need to try it. This is what they should have been working with him on in the offseason rather than isolation plays.
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Re: PG: Good Win 

Post#344 » by nikster » Sat Dec 2, 2023 12:49 am

Tha Cynic wrote:
YogurtProducer wrote:
ill-Will03 wrote:
Anyone who shoots the ball not named Scottie Barnes is an enemy in the eyes of some of these fans.

Also FVV gotta get some credit for unlocking Sengun, people on here would have had you convinced he only cares about his stats and needs to have 20+ shots a game because of his ego lol


Some people are literally more interested in Scottie getting his shots/stats than the actual quality of the team.


This is such a stupid rhetoric and completely disrespects other point of views.

Maybe people think the team will be better off as a whole having Barnes simply handle the ball a ton more over anyone else currently on the team? Every time someone says Barnes should handle the ball more someone on the other side needs to come in an say something like this without even taking a second to think that maybe, just maybe, the posters think this is how the Raptors who they have been following for years would get better? Do you think posters who have been here for years were here were following some prophecy that Barnes would be born, drafted on this team, and lead this team to the promised land?

Teams are better when certain players simply run the show. We have seen countless times this season how much better this team looks when Barnes is the lead mind on offense. The issue is, they need to figure out how to do this while having Siakam not look like a bench player. What we're doing right now is basically following the same path as Chicago. I'm sure no one invests this much time on this board to see this team follow that path. Either you're trying to win today or you're trying to build towards a future. This team is doing neither by having Schroder and Flynn run the offense while having Barnes spend 3/4 of the game on the perimeter so Siakam can get going. At least try a two man game with Barnes and Siakam. They haven't even tried that.

It's not a mischaracterization of some of the posters. We have some people who complain every time Siakam takes a shot (happened 3 minutes into this Knicks game) and one poster literally said he doesn't care If the team wins if it's not Scottie playing well
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Re: PG: Good Win 

Post#345 » by YogurtProducer » Sat Dec 2, 2023 12:51 am

nikster wrote:
Tha Cynic wrote:
YogurtProducer wrote:
Some people are literally more interested in Scottie getting his shots/stats than the actual quality of the team.


This is such a stupid rhetoric and completely disrespects other point of views.

Maybe people think the team will be better off as a whole having Barnes simply handle the ball a ton more over anyone else currently on the team? Every time someone says Barnes should handle the ball more someone on the other side needs to come in an say something like this without even taking a second to think that maybe, just maybe, the posters think this is how the Raptors who they have been following for years would get better? Do you think posters who have been here for years were here were following some prophecy that Barnes would be born, drafted on this team, and lead this team to the promised land?

Teams are better when certain players simply run the show. We have seen countless times this season how much better this team looks when Barnes is the lead mind on offense. The issue is, they need to figure out how to do this while having Siakam not look like a bench player. What we're doing right now is basically following the same path as Chicago. I'm sure no one invests this much time on this board to see this team follow that path. Either you're trying to win today or you're trying to build towards a future. This team is doing neither by having Schroder and Flynn run the offense while having Barnes spend 3/4 of the game on the perimeter so Siakam can get going. At least try a two man game with Barnes and Siakam. They haven't even tried that.

It's not a mischaracterization of some of the posters. We have some people who complain every time Siakam takes a shot (happened 3 minutes into this Knicks game) and one poster literally said he doesn't care If the team wins if it's not Scottie playing well

Yeah like if you really wanted to you can find multiple posters admit they care more about Scottie than the raptors.
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