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[ForeverTFC]

IQ, dick, Scottie, BI, embiid. Shead, jakobe, boucher, mogbo. Chomche. Blazers pick. Battle

Poeltl, RJ, top 5, ochai, 27 1st, 29 1st. For Embiid

Gets us under the tax and championship contender.

Hell with that.

Embiid still has 4 more years after this one. No way

Still MVP level when healthy

Is he? and will he ever be?

[Appostis]

IQ, dick, Scottie, BI, embiid. Shead, jakobe, boucher, mogbo. Chomche. Blazers pick. Battle

Poeltl, RJ, top 5, ochai, 27 1st, 29 1st. For Embiid

Gets us under the tax and championship contender.

Hell with that.

Embiid still has 4 more years after this one. No way

Still MVP level when healthy

There's mounting evidence he'll never be healthy again. Do you trust him going into 33/34?

[Garrett]

Is BI as good as Kawhi was when he led us to a championship?

[Brinbe]

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I missed this, that salary structure makes this a fantastic deal. He's legit making the same next year that he's making now lol.
And a very slight raise in the 2nd year. Who knows about the third but he'd still cheaper than olynyk/brown/boucher combined.
Anyone really complaining about this is nutso.

Boucher could be back at a vet min to fill a roster spot. Maybe they convert chomche next season or just leave that 15th spot unfilled. But they're at 11 already plus battle with two picks added. They'll be able to fit things in. They only have to be compliant till the very end of the season next year to duck under the tax if need be.

[Scase]

I am going to keep an open mind because I can see the logic of this and it could work but this is definitely not a conventional path to rebuilding your team. The lack of flexibility with a young roster is unusual and involves a little risk. Still they have all their picks and outside of IQ, I can’t see any deal as being long enough to ever truly become horrible if the worst case scenario happens.
We have 13 players with our picks and little room under the tax so it is likely in my opinion that we sign Chomche to a full contract going into next year because he will be cheaper as our 2nd round pick. We then carry 14 into season and three two-ways.

Boucher really has no future here so we really should cut ties and buy him out so he can get another opportunity. Maybe we can work out a deal with the Lakers where they cut Koloko and we cut Chris. We can sign him to a three year deal, non guaranteed for years 2 and 3.

Imo it’s less about the money, though that’s an issue. It’s building the car, getting the right tires and seats and everything, but you still haven’t got the engine. So, the gamble is that this year’s pick will be the engine. Or else we need to spend years letting Masai realize that the car without the engine won’t get us there, years taking that car apart and getting bad enough to get access to another engine. People think ‘tanking’ for a few years in a row is too long, but you actually waste less time than this One Big Swing per 7-8 years approach, you just don’t completely suck as long for any given period.

Imo how Oklahoma and Houston have done it is the most efficient. You spend 3-5 years being terrible, then you get a long run with legit talent. If you draft terribly you’re just a bad team, but if you draft badly any rebuild will fail, and the committed rebuild actually allows for that better, it’s not get this one right or waste a decade, it’s ok, we need one more year. Masai’s way never leaves us that option. Suck for 3-5 years, spend your draft capital wisely, then enjoy for a decade. Yes, fans will get antsy and casual fans in particular like mediocrity better than terrible, but I’m not a casual fan and am tired of decades spent catering to them.

Very well said. Only thing I would add to it, is with building the car before having the engine, if that pick doesn't result in the engine, the fall back is what? Trade the wheels, and 3 seats to get the engine, but have a car you can't drive?

The trade much like the jak one, in a vacuum is not bad. The player isn't the problem, the timing again, is. I've said this elsewhere, but had we grabbed a top 5-10 pick this year and next, and then we had a chance to pickup a player like BI cheap, I'd be all over it. I'm just tired of this FO constantly trying to force the issue, they need to stop trying to make fetch happen. No idea if anyone will get that reference lol.

[NotMyKawhi]

Hell with that.

Embiid still has 4 more years after this one. No way

Still MVP level when healthy

Is he? and will he ever be?

Only 30. The best option is trading 2 starters and picks for the best player in the trade. Moving dick into the starting lineup.

We have too many wings. Most likely top 5 pick is a wing. Too much depth. We gotta make a trade and upgrade at the top.

Id prefer Giannis but embiid is realistic.

[Appostis]

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I missed this, that salary structure makes this a fantastic deal. He's legit making the same next year that he's making now lol.

Anyone really complaining about this is nutso

The structure really is great for the team. Gives that little bit of wiggle room that they might be able to avoid trading IQ/RB ATM.

If they get a top 3 pick might still be stuck but that's a good problem to have.

[GLF]

The people who are always so negative on here no matter what the front office does always confuse me. It’s like clockwork. Right when you see certain people’s names come up on here you know exactly what they are gonna say or how they are gonna feel. Just repeating themselves constantly. WE GET IT omg.

And muting them does nothing bc people never ignore them. They always respond to them so you end up seeing their posts regardless. I just don’t understand why one would be a “fan” of a team where they literally hate every decision the front office makes. Mainly bc you don’t have any control over what they do. You just have to sit and wait for decisions to be made. So if you hate the direction so much and have this crystal ball to know exactly where Raptors will end up, why not be a fan of a team who’s doing everything right. Especially since most of these posters think 90% of other front offices are better than ours. It just seems very unhinged at this point, but what do I know.

Nothing positive can ever be said on here without the same posters going, “but actually *insert negative post*”. It’s like they have to humble any poster who likes the direction of the team or likes our players bc they’re superior to everyone including the front office and know it all. It’s so tired. There is critique and then there is just straight up negativity. If 98% of your posts are always some bleak negative take it’s beyond critique in my opinion. Clearly you hate everything about this team. Free yourselves. But it’s a free country so it is what it is.

it becomes less about posting and more about getting that dopamine hit when someone reacts to something you say. and it's clear that the more negative you are, the more reactions you get.

I think you’re right. I REALLY wish people would ignore them. I’m pretty confident if they didn’t get any engagement they would chill out. Especially bc they have made up their mind the front office is trash and this team is going no where. There is nothing you can say at this point to change their mind. So why bother. Just ignore them and move on

[Boardbreaker]

Still MVP level when healthy

Is he? and will he ever be?

Only 30. The best option is trading 2 starters and picks for the best player in the trade. Moving dick into the starting lineup.

We have too many wings. Most likely top 5 pick is a wing. Too much depth. We gotta make a trade and upgrade at the top.

Id prefer Giannis but embiid is realistic.

Embiid is physically done. Stay away.

[djsunyc]

The people who are always so negative on here no matter what the front office does always confuse me. It’s like clockwork. Right when you see certain people’s names come up on here you know exactly what they are gonna say or how they are gonna feel. Just repeating themselves constantly. WE GET IT omg.

And muting them does nothing bc people never ignore them. They always respond to them so you end up seeing their posts regardless. I just don’t understand why one would be a “fan” of a team where they literally hate every decision the front office makes. Mainly bc you don’t have any control over what they do. You just have to sit and wait for decisions to be made. So if you hate the direction so much and have this crystal ball to know exactly where Raptors will end up, why not be a fan of a team who’s doing everything right. Especially since most of these posters think 90% of other front offices are better than ours. It just seems very unhinged at this point, but what do I know.

Nothing positive can ever be said on here without the same posters going, “but actually *insert negative post*”. It’s like they have to humble any poster who likes the direction of the team or likes our players bc they’re superior to everyone including the front office and know it all. It’s so tired. There is critique and then there is just straight up negativity. If 98% of your posts are always some bleak negative take it’s beyond critique in my opinion. Clearly you hate everything about this team. Free yourselves. But it’s a free country so it is what it is.

it becomes less about posting and more about getting that dopamine hit when someone reacts to something you say. and it's clear that the more negative you are, the more reactions you get.

I think you’re right. I REALLY wish people would ignore them. I’m pretty confident if they didn’t get any engagement they would chill out. Especially bc they have made up their mind the front office is trash and this team is going no where. There is nothing you can say at this point to change their mind. So why bother. Just ignore them and move on

i have a ton of folks on ignore but you are right, seeing them still being quoted sucks.

[Dennis 37]

Who in their right mind pays that much for a big question mark?

He is constantly injured, it forces us to trade one of the other guys and nobody knows how good he actually still can be.
I hope it works out, but i have no confindence in BI whatsoever.

Was Kawhi not just as big a question mark? We didn't even know if he would show. Kyle was super ticked off losing his friend. That could have all gone bad.

Kwahi had only one big injury prior to that, won a chip and was a finals MVP. Oh and a top 5 player of the league. Yeah thats a risk i gladly take. But we are talking about a one-time All-Star that has a history of injuries.

Kwahis avalance of injuries came with the clippers.

We paid a lot more for Kawhi than we did for BI. The only risk is the 1st rounder. If BI wants out, a S&T could get that 1st back.

[Brinbe]

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I missed this, that salary structure makes this a fantastic deal. He's legit making the same next year that he's making now lol.

Anyone really complaining about this is nutso

The structure really is great for the team. Gives that little bit of wiggle room that they might be able to avoid trading IQ/RB ATM.

If they get a top 3 pick might still be stuck but that's a good problem to have.

Yep. They get a few months to see how they fit together and if it's not working out one of these contracts are untradeable. I think ppl need to realise the real max deals are getting into the 60 to 70 mil range at this point and none of the players on this team are sniffing anywhere close to that lol. They're hardly hamstrung. Bunch of movable midsized starter salaries. Even IQ is a flat deal so that dollar amount will look more reasonable as time goes on.

[phanman]

So playing well for 6 games is accomplishing something now a days? No wonder so many of you support the direction of this team

It was actually 8 games when you count the two play-in games the Pels won to even make to the playoffs, but yes that is accomplishing something. Once again they went up against #1 overall seeded Suns team that just won 64 games and finished 3rd in DRTG. He proved that he could be a bonafide #1 option when playoffs started and games got more tight. We've always been a franchise starved for talent and got a guy for cheap and a shorter market value deal. He's a former all star, MIP winner and guy who can stretch the floor while score on good efficiency.

As a whole, I don't get why posters like you like to **** on the team your supposedly rooting for. Do you find amusement in all of that negativity?

Ok cool, 8 games of playing well, definitely an accomplishment. You got me there I find amusement in the delusions and the insane hoops people jump through to justify mediocre moves. Like I'm not sitting here thinking BI is the worst player in the world, he's a good player, I think ultimately not a needle mover but whatever, that's my opinion. But suggesting that I'm being negative because I don't consider an 8 game sample size out of a 9 year career to be some proof positive that he's a "bonafide #1 option", is just beyond stupid.

You used the excuse that the second playoff series poor performance was because he was injured and didn't have Zion. Well, he's always injured, and didn't have Zion in the first series either. I'm not out here arguing with people who think the move was alright or even a bit good, I can respect that, but you holding up 8 games, which you conveniently moved up from 6 games, as some example of him being a true #1 option and acting like this is a coup is hilarious.

It was 8 games, get a grip.

You literally said in your initial post that he's accomplished nothing. So how exactly are you not being negative? Playoff games are always weighted higher than regular season performance (where he'd been productive) so obviously I pointed out when he played well as the #1 option. After the experience we had with DeMar, Lowry and even Pascal as the lead guy, you'd think there would be some optimism when we bring in a guy that fulfilled that role well.

Once again he was injured in last year's playoffs. The difference in 22 and least year with Zion is that he missed the entire year 2022 vs last year where he was the most healthy until the play-ins.

[TGM]

Love the deal!

For those wanting longer term, I rather have 2-3 years. This is a fair deal for both sides. Ingram will be motivated ball all out the next two years so that he can get one more big 5 year at 29. If he is that good no reason we shouldn’t offer it to him. If he doesn’t work out. We are on the hook for 3 years tops, which is not bad.

Depending who we draft as well we get flexibility to move out vets for some of the younger guys. In two years RJ and BI could both be FAs but we still have IQ and Barnes locked in, plus a lot of our young guys. This is good salary management.

[sidsid]

Boy that OG contract ain't looking too bad now.

The 40 mil is just enough to strangle any salary flexibility and potentially put you in a tax avoidance squeeze play in trade talks.

The PO in his mid-prime limits his contract as a solid trade asset. Protecting his injury risk and sets him up for a potentially bad - for us - negotiating deal on term likely exiting his prime.

Plenty of short term risk and the tail could be a lot of commitment for an injury risk like him.

Not really setting things up to change my mind on keeping the pick

What?

Yes OG is being paid more for his defense but he is the 4th scoring option....Ingram will be our 1st....and paid less.

Also that OG contract is 42/45/48 in its last 3 years.
Both have a history of random health issues but not chronic injuries. Both have a PO at the end.

The Knicks bought OG's best years leading up to his mid prime. That timeline lines up exactly with the core of their team who are in their prime for the duration of his contract, and the likely end of whatever attempt at contending that brings. We got BI on his show me contract ready for another fun FA showdown right when Barnes will be entering his prime.

BI, like MPJ as an example, is just another scoring option that a contending team would have to constantly juggle between their lack of defense and value on O.

Every team would take OG over BI right now at their respective salaries. Because OG can still provide plenty of tertiary scoring while being the best at what he does in the league. There's a reason guys like Lavine and BI can be had for a "steal" of a deal.

[LoveMyRaps]

Is BI as good as Kawhi was when he led us to a championship?

Not even close.

Kawhi was arguably the best perimeter defender in the league and had a proven track record in the playoffs. And of course, he was a beast offensively as well.

[Nebuchadnezzar]

What?

Yes OG is being paid more for his defense but he is the 4th scoring option....Ingram will be our 1st....and paid less.

Also that OG contract is 42/45/48 in its last 3 years.
Both have a history of random health issues but not chronic injuries. Both have a PO at the end.

The Knicks bought OG's best years leading up to his mid prime. That timeline lines up exactly with the core of their team who are in their prime for the duration of his contract, and the likely end of whatever attempt at contending that brings. We got BI on his show me contract ready for another fun FA showdown right when Barnes will be entering his prime.

BI, like MPJ as an example, is just another scoring option that a contending team would have to constantly juggle between their lack of defense and value on O.

Every team would take OG over BI right now at their respective salaries. Because OG can still provide plenty of tertiary scoring while being the best at what he does in the league. There's a reason guys like Lavine and BI can be had for a "steal" of a deal.

BI is a much better fit for this team than OG

[Son Goku 25]

Is BI as good as Kawhi was when he led us to a championship?

That's hard to do, Kawhi was basically MJ and Kobe level that season.

[youngRAPZ]

I find it funny all the people complaining about the PO are the same ones who are complaining about the trade in the first place. Shouldn’t they be happy he’ll only be here for 2 years guaranteed. Or are they just fishing for something to complain about because they hate the front office?


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[sidsid]

Also that OG contract is 42/45/48 in its last 3 years.
Both have a history of random health issues but not chronic injuries. Both have a PO at the end.

The Knicks bought OG's best years leading up to his mid prime. That timeline lines up exactly with the core of their team who are in their prime for the duration of his contract, and the likely end of whatever attempt at contending that brings. We got BI on his show me contract ready for another fun FA showdown right when Barnes will be entering his prime.

BI, like MPJ as an example, is just another scoring option that a contending team would have to constantly juggle between their lack of defense and value on O.

Every team would take OG over BI right now at their respective salaries. Because OG can still provide plenty of tertiary scoring while being the best at what he does in the league. There's a reason guys like Lavine and BI can be had for a "steal" of a deal.

BI is a much better fit for this team than OG

This is the same trap that fans fall into with Jak. "We need a C, what about the defense!" ignoring that his 0 spacing on offense kills that side, and was historically bad with Siakam and Barnes. Everyone is rightfully wondering how you're going to play BI/RJ/IQ/Dick together in rotations without completely destroying the defense.

OG fits every team. That's why every team wanted him and called in when he became available. What teams need are superstar scorers, which is why the Durant and Jimmy talk consumed the deadline, and BI and Lavine were afterthoughts.