Stein/Fischer: Toronto willing to deal RJ Barrett, IQ, Poeltl for Significant Upgrades // #9 Available

[Zeno]

I feel like as long as the Wolves are offering Gobert and Dillingham in there package, they will beat us out thankfully. Gobert was traded for 5 1sts, so Ishbia will be able to delude himself that he got back what he gave up for Durant.

[RoteSchroder]

Literally the only reason this franchise has a championship right now is because they didn't follow that suggestion.

And everything had to go 100% their direction.

- Kwahi wanting out of SA
- Toronto having the best offer
- Toronto a team ready to be a contender if you drop Kwahi in it
- aquistion of gasol
- FVV and Siakam playing better than expected in the PO
- Kwahi actually give a damn
- Kwahi actually beeing healthy (more or less) in the PO
- greatest but also veryunlikely buzzer beat that ever have been seen in the Playoffs
- KD and Klay injured in the finals

Did i forget something?

This was simply a perfect storm, that is not something you can recreate just by trading for a big name.

I don't disagree, but the idea that the Raptors shouldn't trade for players who don't want to be here restricts them considerably. The vast majority of the league doesn't want to play/live in Canada.

get the international guys

Someone tell Denver that Jokic is getting fat and drinking too many beers. He's gonna turn into Eddy Curry in 3 years time.

[M3tro]

Giannis and KD unite in Toronto to bring us the 2026 championship.

It's destiny.

[Dalek]

My upgrade option is Jamal Murray. His stock may not be as high as Banes because of his injuries, but I still think he is an elite PG in the NBA and a proven playoff performer. Also, extremely marketable here being a big part of Team Canada.

Could a deal like IQ, Gradey Dick and two FRPs be enough? (Quick-Dick-Picks)

That's not an upgrade, Quickley averages basically the same stats as him on a significantly cheaper contract

IQ might be younger, but Jamal is a clutch scorer, proven playoff performer, and a player team's have to game plan for. IQ is a glorified six man who averages about 4 points less and weighs about 20 lbs less which is meaningful in a physical league.

Contract difference is big and probably the driving factor for Denver to even consider this. It's the type of move that I can see Masai/Bobby doing because we don't typically attract star talent let alone one who would fit in so well. Scottie/Ingram/Murray is a strong core with support from Poeltl and RJ who can play more a bench role.

[Tor_Raps]

I feel like as long as the Wolves are offering Gobert and Dillingham in there package, they will beat us out thankfully. Gobert was traded for 5 1sts, so Ishbia will be able to delude himself that he got back what he gave up for Durant.

Gobert on the Suns makes them a playoff team. He fills their weakness so perfectly.

Wolves would take a step back from this swap because their interior defense turns into joke immediately. Its almost both teams switching strengths and weaknesses.

[VanWest82]

(unsubstantiated) report: Raptors are willing to deal anyone on the roster. picks, future picks, change our team name. We don't care. We'll deal anyone or anything. It doesn't matter what we've invested or what we've said to guys behind the scenes. They're all for sale! Just listen to the media guys! They know what's going on!

[CazOnReal]

My upgrade option is Jamal Murray. His stock may not be as high as Banes because of his injuries, but I still think he is an elite PG in the NBA and a proven playoff performer. Also, extremely marketable here being a big part of Team Canada.

Could a deal like IQ, Gradey Dick and two FRPs be enough? (Quick-Dick-Picks)

That's not an upgrade, Quickley averages basically the same stats as him on a significantly cheaper contract

IQ might be younger, but Jamal is a clutch scorer, proven playoff performer, and a player team's have to game plan for. IQ is a glorified six man who averages about 4 points less and weighs about 20 lbs less which is meaningful in a physical league.

This is ignoring...
-the package you're giving up
-That they are still averaging the same points when factoring in IQ played 8 less minutes (Per 36, Quickley is dishing more dimes and averaging slightly more in points at 22 per game)
-That Jamal Murray is a major injury risk and as for that playoff performance, he's become increasingly inconsistent.
-That he's expected to be the lead ballhandler instead of the Joker and frankly, I don't expect him to play as well without Jokic next to him

Trading all this for yet another injury risk might be even more stupid than RJ/Poeltl/9 for Kevin Durant. And that's pretty stupid for a rental on a team that only won 30 games last season.

[PushDaRock]

My upgrade option is Jamal Murray. His stock may not be as high as Banes because of his injuries, but I still think he is an elite PG in the NBA and a proven playoff performer. Also, extremely marketable here being a big part of Team Canada.

Could a deal like IQ, Gradey Dick and two FRPs be enough? (Quick-Dick-Picks)

That's not an upgrade, Quickley averages basically the same stats as him on a significantly cheaper contract

IQ might be younger, but Jamal is a clutch scorer, proven playoff performer, and a player team's have to game plan for. IQ is a glorified six man who averages about 4 points less and weighs about 20 lbs less which is meaningful in a physical league.

Contract difference is big and probably the driving factor for Denver to even consider this. It's the type of move that I can see Masai/Bobby doing because we don't typically attract star talent let alone one who would fit in so well. Scottie/Ingram/Murray is a strong core with support from Poeltl and RJ who can play more a bench role.

Masai didn't even want to pay the Max to Siakam over 4 years, you think he wants to pay Murray 52m in AAV over the next 4 seasons. Murray's contract makes him neutral value at best, he's turning 29 next season with a lot of mileage and injuries on his body from a lot of playoff runs. He also has not performed well in his last 2 playoff runs.

They scored at a similar rate last season.

IQ 22.1 PPG PER 36
Murray 21.5 PPG PER 36

[OhCanada]

Absolutely cooked if we’re giving up the 9th pick for Durant.

Theres less than 1% chance the #9 pick in this years draft will ever be as good as KD is right now.

[CazOnReal]

Absolutely cooked if we’re giving up the 9th pick for Durant.

Theres less than 1% chance the #9 pick in this years draft will ever be as good as KD is right now.

Please keep ignoring that we'd be surrendering at least two starting players along with a Top 10 pick for a 35 year old on a team that was in the lottery despite the crappiness of the East this year if it helps you rationalize how stupid this decision would be.

That package makes zero sense for a rental. And a one year rental at that!

[Rapsalot]

Not sure if these are all smokescreens or US reporters have need for 24/7 content to discuss topics or agents using the Raptors to bid up trade values but they make our Front Office sound undisciplined, desperate & need to be in on every crazy idea like Dallas Cowboys or New York Yankees under George Steinbrenner back in the day. Any publicity is good publicity?
The only other teams that are linked to everyone are GSW and Miami but I feel like they are linked to them for shrewd deals and we are linked for escalation where our history is buying low for quality. I hope this is not a departure in focus on winning basketball vs winning news cycle? Go Raps!

[ishoy123]

Absolutely cooked if we’re giving up the 9th pick for Durant.

Theres less than 1% chance the #9 pick in this years draft will ever be as good as KD is right now.

Please keep ignoring that we'd be surrendering at least two starting players along with a Top 10 pick for a 35 year old on a team that was in the lottery despite the crappiness of the East this year if it helps you rationalize how stupid this decision would be.

That package makes zero sense for a rental. And a one year rental at that!

Wait I thought Quick and RJ were overpaid bums

[Zeno]

I feel like as long as the Wolves are offering Gobert and Dillingham in there package, they will beat us out thankfully. Gobert was traded for 5 1sts, so Ishbia will be able to delude himself that he got back what he gave up for Durant.

Gobert on the Suns makes them a playoff team. He fills their weakness so perfectly.

Wolves would take a step back from this swap because their interior defense turns into joke immediately. Its almost both teams switching strengths and weaknesses.

As long as it isn’t us

[WuTang_CMB]

https://youtu.be/pdGD9j22zDc?t=3983

[TorontoBarneys]

Not sure why #9 as part of the package for KD is controversial. There's nobody substantial to draft at #9. Frankly, I don't want KD here and think that ship has sailed but we really don't have any actual untouchable assets.

[OhCanada]

Absolutely cooked if we’re giving up the 9th pick for Durant.

Theres less than 1% chance the #9 pick in this years draft will ever be as good as KD is right now.

Please keep ignoring that we'd be surrendering at least two starting players along with a Top 10 pick for a 35 year old on a team that was in the lottery despite the crappiness of the East this year if it helps you rationalize how stupid this decision would be.

That package makes zero sense for a rental. And a one year rental at that!

So heres the thing. Everything is speculation. But if Toronto WAS willing to trade IQ, Barrett and #9 for a 1 yr rental of KD the deal would be done already. Clearly thats not the case.It would be tough to have Jamaal Shead as the only real guard on your team but KD is still a top 10 player in the league. There arent many chances to ever get a player that good on your team.

[LoveMyRaps]

Did windy even say that we’re willing to include #9 in the package for KD

Orrrr

That we’re simply willing to trade it in a separate deal

[Raps in 4]

Absolutely cooked if we’re giving up the 9th pick for Durant.

Theres less than 1% chance the #9 pick in this years draft will ever be as good as KD is right now.

Please keep ignoring that we'd be surrendering at least two starting players along with a Top 10 pick for a 35 year old on a team that was in the lottery despite the crappiness of the East this year if it helps you rationalize how stupid this decision would be.

That package makes zero sense for a rental. And a one year rental at that!

*37 year-old

[Tor_Raps]

Did windy even say that we’re willing to include #9 in the package for KD

Orrrr

That we’re simply willing to trade it in a separate deal

Its just been said that we have IQ, RJ, Poeltl and the 9th pick as our main assets to trade for an upgrade. Obviously each trade will have its own unique package depending on the player(s).

[Raps in 4]

Absolutely cooked if we’re giving up the 9th pick for Durant.

Theres less than 1% chance the #9 pick in this years draft will ever be as good as KD is right now.

Who cares? KD is 37. He has maybe one good year left, and by good, I mean at his current level (a barely top-20 player). And there is no guarantee we're getting that player even next year at his age. That isn't a player any sane FO trades a top-10 pick for.