Possible reasons for the Lowry S&T hold up (Powell, WCS from DAL for Dragic)

[Appostis]

Lowry was the same age as fvv/pascal when we traded calderon and handed him the keys. Is 27 supposed to be the new 35? lol

when we the north era started (after the rudy gay deal), we had

demar - 25
kyle - 27
jonas - 22
ross - 22

now?

fvv - 27
gtj - 22
og - 24
siakam - 27
barnes - 20

I mean it’s easy to post similar ages when forgetting the fact that our 1-2 are not even close to how good Kyle was.

Demar is about equal to Pascal.

You can’t just post a bunch of players and ages as though that makes the players equal. There’s no Kyle on this team - the catalyst to 50 wins year and out.

This season will open a lot of eyes.

They could win the championship and you would complain. *Shrug*


Fans who can't handle 1-2 seasons of rebuilding...maybe move on to another team? Thanks.

[Mr.Raptorsingh]

Are they trading Dragic or what

[RaptorPride]

Lowry was the same age as fvv/pascal when we traded calderon and handed him the keys. Is 27 supposed to be the new 35? lol

when we the north era started (after the rudy gay deal), we had

demar - 25
kyle - 27
jonas - 22
ross - 22

now?

fvv - 27
gtj - 22
og - 24
siakam - 27
barnes - 20

I mean it’s easy to post similar ages when forgetting the fact that our 1-2 are not even close to how good Kyle was.

Demar is about equal to Pascal.

You can’t just post a bunch of players and ages as though that makes the players equal. There’s no Kyle on this team - the catalyst to 50 wins year and out.

This season will open a lot of eyes.

We also got a much better coach now. And I can easily see them all improving next year. Why won't they? Our team is great at developing players. All three of them are hard workers and probably hate missing the playoffs.

They have all improved every year on the team since joining us. So why stop now?
We defiantly got more young talent then we had with DeMar and Lowry.

[Asif16]

Bruh just confirm something already. Good god

[alivinglegend]

Is there a date the trade needs to be completed by?

[RaptorPride]

when we the north era started (after the rudy gay deal), we had

demar - 25
kyle - 27
jonas - 22
ross - 22

now?

fvv - 27
gtj - 22
og - 24
siakam - 27
barnes - 20

I mean it’s easy to post similar ages when forgetting the fact that our 1-2 are not even close to how good Kyle was.

Demar is about equal to Pascal.

You can’t just post a bunch of players and ages as though that makes the players equal. There’s no Kyle on this team - the catalyst to 50 wins year and out.

This season will open a lot of eyes.

They could win the championship and you would complain. *Shrug*


Fans who can't handle 1-2 seasons of rebuilding...maybe move on to another team? Thanks.

We have been spoiled by DeMar and Lowry even with all the hate they got.
Do people forget how much **** everyone here used to talk about Lowry?
And now people are saying the same stuff about Fred. These guys are hard workers I have a feeling they want to prove themselves just like younger Lowry and DeMar.

[Mr.Raptorsingh]

Is there a date the trade needs to be completed by?

Friday I think

[RaptorPride]

Lowry was the same age as fvv/pascal when we traded calderon and handed him the keys. Is 27 supposed to be the new 35? lol

when we the north era started (after the rudy gay deal), we had

demar - 25
kyle - 27
jonas - 22
ross - 22

now?

fvv - 27
gtj - 22
og - 24
siakam - 27
barnes - 20

I mean it’s easy to post similar ages when forgetting the fact that our 1-2 are not even close to how good Kyle was.

Demar is about equal to Pascal.

You can’t just post a bunch of players and ages as though that makes the players equal. There’s no Kyle on this team - the catalyst to 50 wins year and out.

This season will open a lot of eyes.

Did you forget how much **** everyone here used to talk about Lowry? Everyone seems to forget for some reason after winning the ring. This man used to get roasted. And people wanted to trade Lowry almost every summer. But he kept on improving as a leader on and off the court.

[DreamTeam09]

Never to undersell anything what Kyle Lowry did for the raps. But he was 17 n 9 last year with injuries non-covid related

[Mark_83]

I really want Josh Green. Big athletic SG with a 6'11 wingspan who goes after it defensively. If we can help he develop a shot at least as good as Norm's, we would have a monstrous defensive rotation.

[Mark_83]

Never to undersell anything what Kyle Lowry did for the raps. But he was 17 n 9 last year with injuries non-covid related

Unlike the "great" Mats Sundin he left us with a parting gift for the future, by working with us to trade him. Greatest Raptor of all time, arguably best Toronto athlete.

[ironmanm20]

I have it on good authority that the hold-up on the sign and trade is the “sign” part which cannot be done until Friday.

[Mark_83]

I have it on good authority that the hold-up on the sign and trade is the “sign” part which cannot be done until Friday.

Has Grange confirmed yet? Until then I'm skeptical.

[WuTang_CMB]

KZ not playing for Miami tonight in summer league....

[Appostis]

KZ not playing for Miami tonight in summer league....

Just back from Olympics.

Probably wouldn't play until the 8th in Las Vegas.

Gotta say, if the trade package ended up being Dragic, Precious, Kz, and maybe a future second round pick..I'd be ok with that.

Even if Dragic is not flipped this offseason.

[Steelo Green]

when we the north era started (after the rudy gay deal), we had

demar - 25
kyle - 27
jonas - 22
ross - 22

now?

fvv - 27
gtj - 22
og - 24
siakam - 27
barnes - 20

I mean it’s easy to post similar ages when forgetting the fact that our 1-2 are not even close to how good Kyle was.

Demar is about equal to Pascal.

You can’t just post a bunch of players and ages as though that makes the players equal. There’s no Kyle on this team - the catalyst to 50 wins year and out.

This season will open a lot of eyes.

They could win the championship and you would complain. *Shrug*


Fans who can't handle 1-2 seasons of rebuilding...maybe move on to another team? Thanks.

Who said I can’t handle rebuilding? I’m literally the person that started TWO.

I’m just saying as it stands there’s nothing special on this team and rebuilding is the way to go.

[WuTang_CMB]

KZ not playing for Miami tonight in summer league....

Just back from Olympics.

Probably wouldn't play until the 8th in Las Vegas.

Gotta say, if the trade package ended up being Dragic, Precious, Kz, and maybe a future second round pick..I'd be ok with that.

Even if Dragic is not flipped this offseason.

Getting Prescious was good enough considering Miami didnt need us. He's going to be a big part of this youth movement.

Then flipping Dragic into more assets is just gravy.

[Appostis]

KZ not playing for Miami tonight in summer league....

Just back from Olympics.

Probably wouldn't play until the 8th in Las Vegas.

Gotta say, if the trade package ended up being Dragic, Precious, Kz, and maybe a future second round pick..I'd be ok with that.

Even if Dragic is not flipped this offseason.

Getting Prescious was good enough considering Miami didnt need us. He's going to be a big part of this youth movement.

Then flipping Dragic into more assets is just gravy.

Didn't need us is not exactly correct. To get Lowry at his asking price, they did need the Raptors.

To make the off season moves they made..again they needed the Raptors.

[WuTang_CMB]

Just back from Olympics.

Probably wouldn't play until the 8th in Las Vegas.

Gotta say, if the trade package ended up being Dragic, Precious, Kz, and maybe a future second round pick..I'd be ok with that.

Even if Dragic is not flipped this offseason.

Getting Prescious was good enough considering Miami didnt need us. He's going to be a big part of this youth movement.

Then flipping Dragic into more assets is just gravy.

Didn't need us is not exactly correct. To get Lowry at his asking price, they did need the Raptors.

To make the off season moves they made..again they needed the Raptors.

Technically they did not need us to sign him outright - which is what I said. They did how ever need us to sign him and other players with the exceptions since they wanted to be over the cap - which is a difference.

[Courtside]

Well that is YOUR perspective Courtside... You used to be a pretty balanced guy... I've noticed you've gotten much more aggressive over the past couple years? You're not normally the attacking guy, you okay?

I'm no more aggressive or attacking now than before... ask around and there are enough people who don't like me. It's more because I I don't suffer fools gladly, or have much patience for trolly contrarians and/or posters with obvious agendas to hate on the team/org/etc... There has been a huge increase in both over the last 3-5 years here. Many are duplicate accounts that RGM has no willingness to clean up, which is why you see me a lot less as well.

Otherwise I'm as balanced and positive as ever

Well, I've never been in a rift with you & as you can see, I am not some recent duplicate account. I've paid my dues and earned my right to speak my piece, in a respectful manner. If you feel my perspective is purposefully being contrarian, or has an agenda behind it, I ask you to be that rationale balanced guy I have typically come to know, and make your case. Don't resort to cheap one-line attacks, that's sinking to the depths of the members you have seen an increase of and despise.

I'll admit, from your posts, you and I do differ in our opinion regarding the Raps a fair bit, but I always respected the level of detail you went with explaining your argument. As a result, I have always taken the time to engage in reading your content.

Anyways, I still believe what I believe regarding the Lowry S&T... If Precious is all our return for taking on a 19.5m in salary for a player in Dragic, who we don't want, & would seem has little value on the trade market, then we got ripped off in comparison to other S&T's that have taken place this year. Achiuwa better be AMAZING if we are willing to make a 19.5m additional investment to get him.

Glad you are doing alright!

You know what? I owe you an apology. I had you confused with Steelo Green. Or Pooh Jeter Or Steelo Jeter. Or whataver other name that guy makes his terrible posts from.

In the case of Skeezo and Steelo Green, I think you may see why if I haven't been super active, that I might have mixed you up?