PG: Scottie overwhelms Celtics

[GordanFreeman]

At this point I don't see how Nurse pulls Scottie from the starting lineup once Siakam comes back.

Put Scottie at PG and Fred at SG (you can put him at SG for "show" but he should play the PG over Fred)

we have been saying this since preseason but moron nurse is gonna drag tragic out there when pascal comes back

Wait, you can read the future? And put some respek on Nurse's name. Man is a wizard.
Some of y'all too ungrateful.

[Brinbe]

missed the game but holy crap, scottie lol.

[RapsFanInOhio]

Okay more post game thoughts:
- Scottie was obviously great tonight. He showed some things he never showed at FSU or even in Summer League which is probably a testament to his coachability and work ethic. We have to be careful with tempering expectations though. While he looked great, he didn’t really create a whole lot for himself. He had a handful of really nice drives that were helped by poor Celtics defense, had a handful of energy hustle buckets that won’t always be there, and his shot was falling tonight. That’s not always going to be the case, and outside of the early 3 he didn’t hit a lot of playoff, creator type shots. So while he played amazing and was absolutely a difference maker and reason we won, we have to keep expectations in check. He’s just a rookie, 25ppg isn’t realistic, etc. But man, he plays hard. If he can sustain that and eventually hit jumpers, look tf out.
- I really didn’t like OG’s body language tonight. He was clearly frustrated with himself but the shot is going to fall eventually. I think we need to keep this usage up until Pascal gets back, though. We need another guy who can somewhat create for our eventual return to the playoffs, and OG showed some of that tonight.
- More FVV slander in the game thread. He played pretty good tonight, even if he didn’t shoot well.
- GTJ haters seem pretty quiet tonight. He’ll have a ton of games like this, and the contract talk will quiet all the way down.
- Boucher is forcing, but I also think that is by design. That’s what we want this roster to do top to bottom. That’s the strategy. Forcing guys like OG and even Boucher out of their comfort zones is how you raise the team ceiling internally.

Good win.

[GLF]

Gary has been impressive defensively both games. He is still figuring out the schemes a bit but the effort and ability is there. 4 steals tonight and +21. On top of 3 steals in game 1.

GTJ was also a +3 in 26.5 minutes against the Wizards. His shot was off in that game and early to start tonight, but he is having a big impact because of his defensive effort and hustle. Love to see it.

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That's the thing. Everyone was coming for his defence last season and now that he's playing good D everyone wants to ignore that. All anyone cares about on here is offence. This is what you want to see from him. You don't want him to be a liability when his shot isn't falling. You want him to still bring the defence I always believed he was capable of bringing (if you watched him in the bubble this defence isn't shocking). The other thing about tonight was he scored most of his points in the paint. His shot still wasn't falling the way it usually does and he mixed it up. Something I haven't really seen him do to the level he did today in his career so far. He's growing. When his shot comes back alot of people will start eating their words

[GordanFreeman]

He's not Magic Johnson but Scottie seriously had an effect that reminded me something of that.

“I watched Magic Johnson a lot,” Barnes said last week. “Highlights, Instagram. You see how much of a great point guard he was, how he could find people, get them shots, how flashy he was. Just what he brought to the game. He played with so much excitement. You could see the smile and joy on his face. That’s something I got, smile and joy and bring a lot of fun and passion to the game.

I pray he doesn't emulate magic's game off the court...

[Indeed]

GTJ was also a +3 in 26.5 minutes against the Wizards. His shot was off in that game and early to start tonight, but he is having a big impact because of his defensive effort and hustle. Love to see it.

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I think we were watching different games here.
Pretty much he got schooled again by Schrodar. Nurse has him hide against Horford, and we double team Horford on that, so I am not sure in which part you saw him stayed in front of his man and make you feel he has been impressive on defense.

Pardon me? Schroder? The guy who scored 4 points on 1/4 shooting while also turning the ball over 4 times?

Yeah, we sure were watching different games. GTJ's defence tonight was excellent.

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Again, Nurse has him guarding Horford, who is settling on the perimeter. He got a few post up against Trent, and Trent fouled him or we double on Horford. However, when Trent was guarding Schrodar on the 2 possessions, he went for the steal, but Schrodar changed direction and got to the paint. One passed to R. Williams for a missed dunk at 2:08 2nd quarter. And I forgot the other.

Also, Alvin Williams also mentioned that he needs better defense after the play where Smart throws an alley oop to R. Williams far away at 2:54 2nd quarter.

The worst one I feel was in the transition, where Boucher was going behind him and about to guard R. Willaims, but instead, he took R. Williams and leave Schrodar to Boucher. That was the play ended up with Trent stealing Tatum with our defensive set (usually that was VanVleet taking the driving lane and go for the steal), but I suppose most people will remember the steal, and didn't see the transition, which was Boucher who defended well to stop the fast break.

[Reeko]

He's not Magic Johnson but Scottie seriously had an effect that reminded me something of that.

“I watched Magic Johnson a lot,” Barnes said last week. “Highlights, Instagram. You see how much of a great point guard he was, how he could find people, get them shots, how flashy he was. Just what he brought to the game. He played with so much excitement. You could see the smile and joy on his face. That’s something I got, smile and joy and bring a lot of fun and passion to the game.

I pray he doesn't emulate magic's game off the court...

Unless Larry Tannenbaum is leading a secret life, comparable to Jerry Buss' very public life, I don't think we have to worry about that.

[Indeed]

GTJ was also a +3 in 26.5 minutes against the Wizards. His shot was off in that game and early to start tonight, but he is having a big impact because of his defensive effort and hustle. Love to see it.

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I think we were watching different games here.
Pretty much he got schooled again by Schrodar. Nurse has him hide against Horford, and we double team Horford on that, so I am not sure in which part you saw him stayed in front of his man and make you feel he has been impressive on defense.

I don't know that he was hiding Gary on Horford. I can remember at least one time Gary turned Horford over. The Celts also didn't try to have Horford go at Gary in the post after it failed a couple times. They started targeting Fred after that. Which was also a pretty big mistake.

Celtics didn't try to have Horford, only a few times. One was that he passed out of double, another one in a semi-transition where Trent fouls him. Not sure if you have access to this, but in particular the 3rd quarter, you can see the rotation, where Trent was rotating from Horford:
https://www.nba.com/stats/events/?ContextMeasure=FGA&EndPeriod=0&EndRange=28800&GameID=0022100020&PlayerID=201143&RangeType=0&Season=2021-22&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&StartPeriod=0&StartRange=0&TeamID=1610612738&flag=3&sct=plot&section=game&CF=p*E*3

Yup, Tatum targeted VanVleet more often than not. It started 2 years ago during the playoffs. But Barnes did a good job against Tatum, and our super big lineup got a lot of rebounds.

[Boogie!]

yeah you laugh because you have nothing to say and don't knowxwhat you're talking about... what are you gonna even argue against what I said? You think og has a scorers game and can create offense for himself consistently? Again you're absolutely wrong.

I've made statements 3 years ago regarding specific player's games that I caught flack for...

I literally got warned for "trolling" because I complained about fvv for the same flaws most people are finally seeing now, when most of the board was still on his nuts... now you have posters saying that the board has an anti Fred problem...

I said ogs potential was more a 3 and d role player possible Shawn Marion type, and that siakam had more overall potential than him because of siakams natural ability and fluidity... again to a lot of anger for putting such limitations on a potential star...

For years I said norman Powell deserved a bigger role on the team because of his skillset and that he was being neutered and should be developed more, again with the majority of the board telling me hecsucked couldn't finish in traffic etc ... then 2 years ago eith a consistent role he makes a big leap and then last year, the first time he was consistently a starter due to injuries he blows up...

I said demar needed to be traded in order for us to take the next step because we had all the right pieces around a star but were building around the wrong star...

You guys can all come at me ill trust my player assessments...

[Vampirate]

So Scottie is already an upgrade on Lowry (the greatest rap of all time).

Cool.

Scottie is nowhere close to Lowry as a Raptor, however he has a legit chance to actually be the greatest Raptor of all time, depending on how he develops, team success and term.

Right now Lowry is head and shoulders above everyone.

[radeonboy]

defence was crazy tonight, so many deflections and blocks, raps made the celtics not want to go inside the paint while raps were killing them on the boards

[KrazyP]

yeah you laugh because you have nothing to say and don't knowxwhat you're talking about... what are you gonna even argue against what I said? You think og has a scorers game and can create offense for himself consistently? Again you're absolutely wrong.

I've made statements 3 years ago regarding specific player's games that I caught flack for...

I literally got warned for "trolling" because I complained about fvv for the same flaws most people are finally seeing now, when most of the board was still on his nuts... now you have posters saying that the board has an anti Fred problem...

I said ogs potential was more a 3 and d role player possible Shawn Marion type, and that siakam had more overall potential than him because of siakams natural ability and fluidity... again to a lot of anger for putting such limitations on a potential star...

For years I said norman Powell deserved a bigger role on the team because of his skillset and that he was being neutered and should be developed more, again with the majority of the board telling me hecsucked couldn't finish in traffic etc ... then 2 years ago eith a consistent role he makes a big leap and then last year, the first time he was consistently a starter due to injuries he blows up...

I said demar needed to be traded in order for us to take the next step because we had all the right pieces around a star but were building around the wrong star...

You guys can all come at me ill trust my player assessments...

You wanted Jeremy Lin playing over VanVleet in the 2019 playoffs....trusting this kind of player assessment could easily have cost the Raps the championship.

[Vampirate]

I think he can reach stardom now. I didn't think so before, but today showed his path to stardom. His size on the wing mixed with his speed and handle is too much. It's like seeing LeBron just body everyone year after year.

He was the obvious pick by far at 4. What a flipping home run.

Let's be clear...his shooting still needs work.

That he's at least willing to let it fly is a good start.

I can't find my post as the search button doesn't seem to work.

I asked how many game will it take before Barnes takes more 3 pointers than Simmons has in his career? Undetermined.

How many games will it take until Barnes hits a 3 point shot? (I honestly thought it'd take a while) Turns out the answer is 2.


Best thing about Barnes is even when he is struggling to score (and he will have plenty of ugly scoring nights) he impacts the game in other ways. He's the anti Bargnani.

[rapsincr]

GTJ was also a +3 in 26.5 minutes against the Wizards. His shot was off in that game and early to start tonight, but he is having a big impact because of his defensive effort and hustle. Love to see it.

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I think we were watching different games here.
Pretty much he got schooled again by Schrodar. Nurse has him hide against Horford, and we double team Horford on that, so I am not sure in which part you saw him stayed in front of his man and make you feel he has been impressive on defense.

Pardon me? Schroder? The guy who scored 4 points on 1/4 shooting while also turning the ball over 4 times?

Yeah, we sure were watching different games. GTJ's defence tonight was excellent.

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im with you, he was great defensively..how many deflections did he have on top of his 4 steals? hes much better than i ever gave him credit for.

[everdiso]

I am anything but a Trent fan but this might have been the best game I've ever seen him play, on both ends.

[Boogie!]

I've made statements 3 years ago regarding specific player's games that I caught flack for...

I literally got warned for "trolling" because I complained about fvv for the same flaws most people are finally seeing now, when most of the board was still on his nuts... now you have posters saying that the board has an anti Fred problem...

I said ogs potential was more a 3 and d role player possible Shawn Marion type, and that siakam had more overall potential than him because of siakams natural ability and fluidity... again to a lot of anger for putting such limitations on a potential star...

For years I said norman Powell deserved a bigger role on the team because of his skillset and that he was being neutered and should be developed more, again with the majority of the board telling me hecsucked couldn't finish in traffic etc ... then 2 years ago eith a consistent role he makes a big leap and then last year, the first time he was consistently a starter due to injuries he blows up...

I said demar needed to be traded in order for us to take the next step because we had all the right pieces around a star but were building around the wrong star...

You guys can all come at me ill trust my player assessments...

You wanted Jeremy Lin playing over VanVleet in the 2019 playoffs....trusting this kind of player assessment could easily have cost the Raps the championship.

Yeah in both the Orlando series and sixes series where he was basically unplayable... if kawhi doesn't make that shot and we lose to the sixers everyone would've been bitching about fvv and he doesn't even get a chance to redeem himself in the following series... keep it coming.

[CarpetMan500]

I think you're exactly right.

seriously, scottie is the leader this team needs.

scottie is the big dog and pascal can be his #2.

[Brinbe]

21 offensive boards... wonder where that ranks for us all-time. but i like it.

[KrazyP]

I've made statements 3 years ago regarding specific player's games that I caught flack for...

I literally got warned for "trolling" because I complained about fvv for the same flaws most people are finally seeing now, when most of the board was still on his nuts... now you have posters saying that the board has an anti Fred problem...

I said ogs potential was more a 3 and d role player possible Shawn Marion type, and that siakam had more overall potential than him because of siakams natural ability and fluidity... again to a lot of anger for putting such limitations on a potential star...

For years I said norman Powell deserved a bigger role on the team because of his skillset and that he was being neutered and should be developed more, again with the majority of the board telling me hecsucked couldn't finish in traffic etc ... then 2 years ago eith a consistent role he makes a big leap and then last year, the first time he was consistently a starter due to injuries he blows up...

I said demar needed to be traded in order for us to take the next step because we had all the right pieces around a star but were building around the wrong star...

You guys can all come at me ill trust my player assessments...

You wanted Jeremy Lin playing over VanVleet in the 2019 playoffs....trusting this kind of player assessment could easily have cost the Raps the championship.

Yeah in both the Orlando series and sixes series where he was basically unplayable... if kawhi doesn't make that shot and we lose to the sixers everyone would've been bitching about fvv and he doesn't even get a chance to redeem himself in the following series... keep it coming.

Sometimes you fall in love with your own player assessments to a point where it starts clouding your better judgement.

[Madhouse]

I wouldn't worry about OG too much, he will get going.

He probably isn't a top 2 player on an elite team and he might not ever be a true bluechip player but he will get out of this slump and play much better soon.

He is in a more uncomfortable role right now but it will improve his game.