Trade Deadline Discussion & Rumours - Raptors and NBA

[douggood]

Dont think we are giving up our FRP this year in year 1 of rebuild nevermind 3 picks.

Gotta find value without giving up much like gary last year.

Jalen smith is one of those guys.

jalen smith is a lose lose trade.
if he is good with raptors probably cannot resign him
if he sucks with the raptors, we gave up something for nothing then.

Nah. I dont see it like that. Look at Gary last year. Same type of approach here.
He fits the timeline, we got minutes for him and hes got talent. Masai always finds a way to bring guys back.

gary could be resigned for what ever amount we wanted no limitation., jalen smith by rule is limited to reisgn for 4.6 million maximum by the suns or the team that trades for him.
gary was also rfa, jalen ufa.

you in the offseason will have a better chance at him with MLE.

[WuTang_CMB]

jalen smith is a lose lose trade.
if he is good with raptors probably cannot resign him
if he sucks with the raptors, we gave up something for nothing then.

Nah. I dont see it like that. Look at Gary last year. Same type of approach here.
He fits the timeline, we got minutes for him and hes got talent. Masai always finds a way to bring guys back.

gary could be resigned for what ever amount we wanted no limitation., jalen smith by rule is limited to reisgn for 4.6 million maximum by the suns or the team that trades for him.

you in the offseason will have a better chance at him with MLE.

The 4.6m makes sense to deal for him now rather than overpaying for turner. We arent giving up picks this season.

[Asif16]

Interested to see who we end up with for Dragic.

Have to assume Masai will get someone

[Asif16]

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[douggood]

Nah. I dont see it like that. Look at Gary last year. Same type of approach here.
He fits the timeline, we got minutes for him and hes got talent. Masai always finds a way to bring guys back.

gary could be resigned for what ever amount we wanted no limitation., jalen smith by rule is limited to reisgn for 4.6 million maximum by the suns or the team that trades for him.

you in the offseason will have a better chance at him with MLE.

The 4.6m makes sense to deal for him now rather than overpaying for turner. We arent giving up picks this season.

so my point is that if shows promise, another team can give him 3 year 24 mil for example and poach him.

[WuTang_CMB]

gary could be resigned for what ever amount we wanted no limitation., jalen smith by rule is limited to reisgn for 4.6 million maximum by the suns or the team that trades for him.

you in the offseason will have a better chance at him with MLE.

The 4.6m makes sense to deal for him now rather than overpaying for turner. We arent giving up picks this season.

so my point is that if shows promise, another team can give him 3 year 24 mil for example and poach him.

And my point is this is the same gary scenario. It worked for us then and masai has history of bringing role players back.
And Birch makes 6. 7m a year in todays nba is nothing. Good value especially for a growing 5.

[douggood]

The 4.6m makes sense to deal for him now rather than overpaying for turner. We arent giving up picks this season.

so my point is that if shows promise, another team can give him 3 year 24 mil for example and poach him.

And my point is this is the same gary scenario. It worked for us then and masai has history of bringing role players back.
And Birch makes 6. 7m a year in todays nba is nothing. Good value especially for a growing 5.

we had no restrictions with gary resgining, could have given him the max if we wanted. plus he was RFA.
smith is ufa and maximum is 4.6

[Madhouse]

The 4.6m makes sense to deal for him now rather than overpaying for turner. We arent giving up picks this season.

so my point is that if shows promise, another team can give him 3 year 24 mil for example and poach him.

And my point is this is the same gary scenario. It worked for us then and masai has history of bringing role players back.
And Birch makes 6. 7m a year in todays nba is nothing. Good value especially for a growing 5.

It's not the same.

[SurgeIblocka]

gary could be resigned for what ever amount we wanted no limitation., jalen smith by rule is limited to reisgn for 4.6 million maximum by the suns or the team that trades for him.

you in the offseason will have a better chance at him with MLE.

The 4.6m makes sense to deal for him now rather than overpaying for turner. We arent giving up picks this season.

so my point is that if shows promise, another team can give him 3 year 24 mil for example and poach him.

If he turns out to be amazing we can still sign him all we have to do is renounce his rights and sign him for a portion of our MLE. Its not ideal but it is possible to retain him.

[WuTang_CMB]

so my point is that if shows promise, another team can give him 3 year 24 mil for example and poach him.

And my point is this is the same gary scenario. It worked for us then and masai has history of bringing role players back.
And Birch makes 6. 7m a year in todays nba is nothing. Good value especially for a growing 5.

we had no restrictions with gary resgining, could have given him the max if we wanted. plus he was RFA.
smith is ufa and maximum is 4.6

Similar situations and Still no risk as we will be giving up a lot less than Turned

[WuTang_CMB]

so my point is that if shows promise, another team can give him 3 year 24 mil for example and poach him.

And my point is this is the same gary scenario. It worked for us then and masai has history of bringing role players back.
And Birch makes 6. 7m a year in todays nba is nothing. Good value especially for a growing 5.

It's not the same.

Yes it is.

[douggood]

And my point is this is the same gary scenario. It worked for us then and masai has history of bringing role players back.
And Birch makes 6. 7m a year in todays nba is nothing. Good value especially for a growing 5.

we had no restrictions with gary resgining, could have given him the max if we wanted. plus he was RFA.
smith is ufa and maximum is 4.6

Similar situations and Still no risk as we will be giving up a lot less than Turned

not similar situation
will be giving a lot less for an obvious reason; its likely a rental for any team that trades for him.

[WuTang_CMB]

People flying a kite if they think we giving up any picks this year.

[Kingsway_fan]

Great if we could unload Birch...

[Appostis]

The 4.6m makes sense to deal for him now rather than overpaying for turner. We arent giving up picks this season.

so my point is that if shows promise, another team can give him 3 year 24 mil for example and poach him.

And my point is this is the same gary scenario. It worked for us then and masai has history of bringing role players back.
And Birch makes 6. 7m a year in todays nba is nothing. Good value especially for a growing 5.

.. you don't seem to understand what he's saying. If he shows promise you raps can't keep him. Even if he doesn't blow everyone away he's probably still be offered more in the offseason.

This is nothing at all like the GTJ situation.

[WuTang_CMB]

we had no restrictions with gary resgining, could have given him the max if we wanted. plus he was RFA.
smith is ufa and maximum is 4.6

Similar situations and Still no risk as we will be giving up a lot less than Turned

not similar situation
will be giving a lot less for an obvious reason; its likely a rental for any team that trades for him.

Not really lol. Receiving team can re-up him and in this case use MLE.

[WuTang_CMB]

so my point is that if shows promise, another team can give him 3 year 24 mil for example and poach him.

And my point is this is the same gary scenario. It worked for us then and masai has history of bringing role players back.
And Birch makes 6. 7m a year in todays nba is nothing. Good value especially for a growing 5.

.. you don't seem to understand what he's saying. If he shows promise you raps can't keep him. Even if he doesn't blow everyone away he's probably still be offered more in the offseason.

This is nothing at all like the GTJ situation.

No you’re not understanding. Everyone is so against us bringing him back if he plays well. He wont be starting. It’s not like we are going to give him 30 plus a night fkr a showCase event. Can very much bring him back and i rather go down this road then throwing away picks in year 1 of a rebuild when 2 weeks ago we were sitting 10th.

[douggood]

Similar situations and Still no risk as we will be giving up a lot less than Turned

not similar situation
will be giving a lot less for an obvious reason; its likely a rental for any team that trades for him.

Not really lol. Receiving team can re-up him and in this case use MLE.

cant use MLE or cap space or anything else to resign Jalen smith, the rule is in place from stopping teams and agents from gaming the system. suns/raptors will have a HARD cap on $4.6 mil

from the athletic/john hollinger

"The Suns are limited to re-signing Smith for more than the declined option: $4,670,160. They can’t pay more than that, even if they have the cap room to do so. That, obviously, makes it very easy for a rival team to bid higher. Additionally, the declined option is basically radioactive: Any new team acquiring Smith this year would be affected by the same rule. Thus, the Suns can’t get anything useful for Smith in a trade because the acquiring team would likely lose him after the season. (Unless he played badly, in which case, who cares.)

[Madhouse]

Similar situations and Still no risk as we will be giving up a lot less than Turned

not similar situation
will be giving a lot less for an obvious reason; its likely a rental for any team that trades for him.

Not really lol. Receiving team can re-up him and in this case use MLE.

Not true. It's very unlikely you are able to retain him if he plays well even in a bench role.

I would bet money he does not get traded because you can't spend much to re-sign him if you trade for him.

[WuTang_CMB]

not similar situation
will be giving a lot less for an obvious reason; its likely a rental for any team that trades for him.

Not really lol. Receiving team can re-up him and in this case use MLE.

cant use MLE or cap space or anything else to resign Jalen smith, the rule is in place from stopping teams and agents from gaming the system. suns/raptors will have a HARD cap on $4.6 mil

from the athletic/john hollinger

"The Suns are limited to re-signing Smith for more than the declined option: $4,670,160. They can’t pay more than that, even if they have the cap room to do so. That, obviously, makes it very easy for a rival team to bid higher. Additionally, the declined option is basically radioactive: Any new team acquiring Smith this year would be affected by the same rule. Thus, the Suns can’t get anything useful for Smith in a trade because the acquiring team would likely lose him after the season. (Unless he played badly, in which case, who cares.)

This screams ownership being cheap. I would still go after him if price was cheap as it will be knowing this.