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Re: 2023 Draft Prospect discussion Part II 

Post#361 » by Mark_83 » Sun Feb 26, 2023 2:40 am

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WuTang_OG wrote:Edey or Yao Ming

Yao was a beast, but it’s tough to argue for him in todays NBA. A dominant post up big man with soft touch should be dominant no matter the era. Misunderstanding of analytics has changed parts of the game for the worse. Analytics literally push paint points and 3’s, but a lot of teams focus only on the 3’s. However, an easy bucket near the rim should never be overlooked.

Exactly. How many games have we won so far because Yak shot like 80% from the field haha. A smart coach will be able to play a ridiculous inside/outside game with him. 4 shooters out with Edey in the middle is like an automatic bucket every time down the floor.
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Post#362 » by WuTang_CMB » Sun Feb 26, 2023 2:44 am

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Post#363 » by ItsDanger » Sun Feb 26, 2023 2:44 am

Indiana vs Purdue highlights importance of size in your backcourt.
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Post#364 » by REJECTEDBYCLARK » Sun Feb 26, 2023 3:13 am

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Post#365 » by REJECTEDBYCLARK » Sun Feb 26, 2023 3:15 am

ItsDanger wrote:Indiana vs Purdue highlights importance of size in your backcourt.


Apparently you missed my post about how the vast majority of guards from the top teams in the NBA are almost all between 6'0-6'4
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Re: 2023 Draft Prospect discussion Part II 

Post#366 » by BoyzNTheHood » Sun Feb 26, 2023 3:21 am

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Thaddy wrote:I don't think Gradey has the physicality to be a good player at the NBA level. The lack of wingspan and athleticism will affect him, we see this with a lot of college guys. You would rather hope they have the physical profile and at least one skill they can bring to the table.

I don't want to be inappropriate and bring up things that can cause friction on this board but players of African origin seem to have a lot of the characteristics we want. They have prior soccer experience a lot of the time which means great foot work. Then you have the general positive wingspan. The lack of basketball infrastructure means there causes a skills discrepancy but that can be developed.

IMO the best prospects are players of that origin and culture who were brought up or played in French or other pro leagues. That's what puts Rupert, Bilal Coulibali (sp?), and other prospects to the top of the list before Gradey but I hope another GM thinks otherwise.

Gradey has one skill at minimum: shooting. And he has a high release that translates easily to NBA. Good luck developing that from a 22 yr old.

Check Norman Powell, Siakam, Fred, OG, and even Koloko. Gradey's been playing since he was a kid, how much better will skill development really make him. If we saw him on the opposing team we would attack him until he's off the floor. That is a real problem you cannot ignore

No, we wouldn’t. He’s not bad defensively. We need to stop actually watch tape on him before making judgements. Every real draft nut knows he plays good defense.
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Post#367 » by BoyzNTheHood » Sun Feb 26, 2023 3:47 am

There’s something to be said for elite off ball movement and shooting. Even if he’s having an off night this guy will be running his defender around the court exhausting them as well.

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Post#368 » by Yallbecrazy » Sun Feb 26, 2023 3:57 am

Checked JHS' stats and I think he's worse than Nick Smith.
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Post#369 » by Kevin Willis » Sun Feb 26, 2023 4:34 am

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I don't care that he's been doing that all year. He's a 'do not draft' prospect for me.


What do you think he meant by that?
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Post#370 » by BoyzNTheHood » Sun Feb 26, 2023 5:06 am

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I don't care that he's been doing that all year. He's a 'do not draft' prospect for me.


What do you think he meant by that?

It’s a pat down, which is something you do to find any potentially concealed items. If they’ve been doing that all year it’s an extreme coincidence. Still, I’d take him if he falls. But Masai probably not so much
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Post#371 » by Mark_83 » Sun Feb 26, 2023 5:12 am

BoyzNTheHood wrote:There’s something to be said for elite off ball movement and shooting. Even if he’s having an off night this guy will be running his defender around the court exhausting them as well.


I'm a fan. His game is very projectable imo.
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Post#372 » by Kevin Willis » Sun Feb 26, 2023 5:32 am

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I don't care that he's been doing that all year. He's a 'do not draft' prospect for me.


What do you think he meant by that?

It’s a pat down, which is something you do to find any potentially concealed items. If they’ve been doing that all year it’s an extreme coincidence. Still, I’d take him if he falls. But Masai probably not so much


Yep. it's a pat down. 1. He allowed himself to be pat down. 2. They found nothing and let him go. He's saying I have nothing to hide. They checked me. Then they let me go. He's making a statement to leave his ass alone. He's not going to fall.

I was curious what people thought he was saying? I was expecting a Gilbert Arenas bang bang nonsense then I would say it's tasteless but this is fine. The young man is under a ton of pressure and he's handling it pretty well by letting his play do the talking.
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Post#373 » by alpngso » Sun Feb 26, 2023 5:48 am

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Post#374 » by Mark_83 » Sun Feb 26, 2023 5:57 am

BoyzNTheHood wrote:
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I don't care that he's been doing that all year. He's a 'do not draft' prospect for me.


What do you think he meant by that?

It’s a pat down, which is something you do to find any potentially concealed items. If they’ve been doing that all year it’s an extreme coincidence. Still, I’d take him if he falls. But Masai probably not so much

Masai did take Dewan Hernandez. Albeit in the 2nd.
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Post#375 » by Mr.Raptorsingh » Sun Feb 26, 2023 6:21 am

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Re: 2023 Draft Prospect discussion Part II 

Post#376 » by Kevin Willis » Sun Feb 26, 2023 6:27 am

Mark_83 wrote:
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What do you think he meant by that?

It’s a pat down, which is something you do to find any potentially concealed items. If they’ve been doing that all year it’s an extreme coincidence. Still, I’d take him if he falls. But Masai probably not so much

Masai did take Dewan Hernandez. Albeit in the 2nd.

True. Another thing is Miller's mental. Everyone says he's a good kid. Doesn't get in trouble. Something happens not to him, but his friend. He made a mistake but it wasn't malicious. Now he's being labelled with other stigmatized black athletes. The wife beaters. The murderers. The drug addicts. The cheats. This is happening from people who really know nothing. That kind of pressure could break a young man, but he's played better. He's saying I reject your label of me, I know who I am and I will show you what I can do - just leave me alone. Hindsight would he give that gun to his friend, I doubt anyone would. But that troublemaker black athlete he's stuck with for life. Smart GMs would understand the character you must have to go through this. He'll be fine. Masai would know, he would understand.
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Post#377 » by ATLTimekeeper » Sun Feb 26, 2023 12:50 pm

Kevin Willis wrote:
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BoyzNTheHood wrote:It’s a pat down, which is something you do to find any potentially concealed items. If they’ve been doing that all year it’s an extreme coincidence. Still, I’d take him if he falls. But Masai probably not so much

Masai did take Dewan Hernandez. Albeit in the 2nd.

True. Another thing is Miller's mental. Everyone says he's a good kid. Doesn't get in trouble. Something happens not to him, but his friend. He made a mistake but it wasn't malicious. Now he's being labelled with other stigmatized black athletes. The wife beaters. The murderers. The drug addicts. The cheats. This is happening from people who really know nothing. That kind of pressure could break a young man, but he's played better. He's saying I reject your label of me, I know who I am and I will show you what I can do - just leave me alone. Hindsight would he give that gun to his friend, I doubt anyone would. But that troublemaker black athlete he's stuck with for life. Smart GMs would understand the character you must have to go through this. He'll be fine. Masai would know, he would understand.


It doesn't matter to me what his intent was, it shows a clear lack of wherewithal to accept the gravity of the situation. But, to take your interpretation of it would reflect even worse on him in my eyes, for putting his own reputation above the loss of life. That he's played well doesn't mean anything to me. Do not draft.

I can't recall a more ****ed up thing that a top prospect has done in recent memory.
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Post#378 » by ArthurVandelay » Sun Feb 26, 2023 1:54 pm

Kevin Willis wrote:
BoyzNTheHood wrote:
Kevin Willis wrote:
What do you think he meant by that?

It’s a pat down, which is something you do to find any potentially concealed items. If they’ve been doing that all year it’s an extreme coincidence. Still, I’d take him if he falls. But Masai probably not so much


Yep. it's a pat down. 1. He allowed himself to be pat down. 2. They found nothing and let him go. He's saying I have nothing to hide. They checked me. Then they let me go. He's making a statement to leave his ass alone. He's not going to fall.

I was curious what people thought he was saying? I was expecting a Gilbert Arenas bang bang nonsense then I would say it's tasteless but this is fine. The young man is under a ton of pressure and he's handling it pretty well by letting his play do the talking.


100%

As more facts come out you can see the damage irresponsible reporting that initially came out implying he knowingly delivered a gun and intentionally blocked in the vehicle the victim was riding in has done to his reputation.

Miller’s role in all this is clearly laid out by text messages and video. He’s not lying, there is no dirty SEC school coverup to protect a star, he was not engaged in any criminal activity.

Some notable facts backed by text messages and video surveillance:

1. Miles had wanted to be picked up for "close to an hour" before Miller made his way over.

2. Miller was already on his way to pick up Miles when Miles texted him to bring him his gun on the night of the shooting.

3. Miller never saw Miles' handgun and that it was "concealed under some clothing in the back seat" of Miller's car.

4. Miller never touched the gun or was involved in its exchange to Davis, the alleged shooter.

5. Miller was unaware of the confrontation between the two parties.

6. Miller didn't get out of his car.

7. Miller had already parked it when Johnson's Jeep later pulled up behind him, thereby not intentionally blocking its exit.

8. Miller, whose windshield was hit by gunfire, left when the shooting started.

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/35713382/alabama-says-brandon-miller-play-south-carolina


Miller’s draft stock won’t drop because of this. It’s a tragic situation but Miller doesn’t appear to have done anything knowingly or intentionally wrong. If he did, he’d be charged. This is a capital murder case, it doesn’t get much more serious. Based on all the information uncovered throughout the investigation by police and the school, and again backed by physical evidence of text and video, Miller is a cooperative witness. No one should be penalized for the stupidity of a (now former) teammate.
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Post#379 » by ArthurVandelay » Sun Feb 26, 2023 2:12 pm

ATLTimekeeper wrote:
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Mark_83 wrote:Masai did take Dewan Hernandez. Albeit in the 2nd.

True. Another thing is Miller's mental. Everyone says he's a good kid. Doesn't get in trouble. Something happens not to him, but his friend. He made a mistake but it wasn't malicious. Now he's being labelled with other stigmatized black athletes. The wife beaters. The murderers. The drug addicts. The cheats. This is happening from people who really know nothing. That kind of pressure could break a young man, but he's played better. He's saying I reject your label of me, I know who I am and I will show you what I can do - just leave me alone. Hindsight would he give that gun to his friend, I doubt anyone would. But that troublemaker black athlete he's stuck with for life. Smart GMs would understand the character you must have to go through this. He'll be fine. Masai would know, he would understand.


It doesn't matter to me what his intent was, it shows a clear lack of wherewithal to accept the gravity of the situation. But, to take your interpretation of it would reflect even worse on him in my eyes, for putting his own reputation above the loss of life. That he's played well doesn't mean anything to me. Do not draft.

I can't recall a more ****ed up thing that a top prospect has done in recent memory.


What is ****ed up about picking up a teammate?

You are spreading misinformation and spinning a very false narrative.

I can’t blame you. The initial reporting implied a different situation. But as more facts have come out, it’s time to acknowledge he did nothing wrong.
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Post#380 » by ATLTimekeeper » Sun Feb 26, 2023 3:34 pm

ArthurVandelay wrote:
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Kevin Willis wrote:True. Another thing is Miller's mental. Everyone says he's a good kid. Doesn't get in trouble. Something happens not to him, but his friend. He made a mistake but it wasn't malicious. Now he's being labelled with other stigmatized black athletes. The wife beaters. The murderers. The drug addicts. The cheats. This is happening from people who really know nothing. That kind of pressure could break a young man, but he's played better. He's saying I reject your label of me, I know who I am and I will show you what I can do - just leave me alone. Hindsight would he give that gun to his friend, I doubt anyone would. But that troublemaker black athlete he's stuck with for life. Smart GMs would understand the character you must have to go through this. He'll be fine. Masai would know, he would understand.


It doesn't matter to me what his intent was, it shows a clear lack of wherewithal to accept the gravity of the situation. But, to take your interpretation of it would reflect even worse on him in my eyes, for putting his own reputation above the loss of life. That he's played well doesn't mean anything to me. Do not draft.

I can't recall a more ****ed up thing that a top prospect has done in recent memory.


What is ****ed up about picking up a teammate?

You are spreading misinformation and spinning a very false narrative.

I can’t blame you. The initial reporting implied a different situation. But as more facts have come out, it’s time to acknowledge he did nothing wrong.


I'm referring to the pre-game intro that he chose to continue. He was involved, indirectly, and chose to make light of the situation. That's messed up and I wouldn't draft him for an extreme lack of judgement. He can figure out his life on someone else's team, but that's a giant red flag.

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