Chris Bosh Sign and Trade Ideas

[rapsrealm]

I'd be happy with Aldridge+Pryz for Bosh

What's the point of that trade from a Blazers POV?

[sump]

I'd be happy with Aldridge+Pryz for Bosh

What's the point of that trade from a Blazers POV?

Are you kidding me ?

They will have what we should have had 4 years ago

Roy+Bosh

Not to mention the fact that if Bosh goes there it would probably get Camby to stay instead of going to NYK.

a team of Miller, Roy, <insert SF here>, Bosh, Camby

That's a deadly team brah

[Indeed]

then...

Raptors Send:
Chris Bosh (S&T)

Houston Sends:
Jarred Jeffries
Shane Battier
Jordan Hill
2011 1st Round Pick (Swap with NYK)
2012 1st Round Pick (NYK)

Its good, but not sure if we can nab Battier.
But I would like this year's Houston 1st pick right.

So something like this would be great:
Jarred Jeffries
Shane Battier (or Jordan Hill + filler expiring)
2010 Houston 1st Round Pick right (before the draft that is)
2011 NYK 1st Round Pick
2012 NYK 1st Round Pick swap (if possible)

Of course, I think BC can do better than that, but I think this would be a fair value in Bosh.
And we can avoid trading him to Chicago and Miami.

[Local_NG_Idiot]

I'd be happy with Aldridge+Pryz for Bosh

What's the point of that trade from a Blazers POV?

Bosh is a definite upgrade over Aldridge at the PF. Camby is a better option as a backup C to Oden which makes Pryz redundant and considering he just re-injured his already busted up knee, they would would probably want to dump him anyways without just flat out cutting him and have management look like jerks.

[Duke3D]

1) Bosh, Weems and Turk to CHI for Noah and Deng

Only reason Chicago does this is to lose Deng's out of shape contract and body. They might actually want Turk's playoff experience. If this is too reefer-tastic, give em Beli as well.

2) Trade Jose for any of the following: expiring contract, draft pick, rookie contract, trade exception or combination thereof. If need be throw in one of these (eg a pick) to #1 to entice CHI.

3) Acquire or draft young PG either via #2 or the draft.

4) Find minimum $$ replacements for Wright, etc

5) Re-sign Amir to a decent contract

6) Let the core of Jack, DD, Deng, Bargs, Amir and Noah slug it out in the year. (plus whatever young players acquired)

7) After the year is up, let all the expirings walk and make a HARD push for CP3 or Deron.

[ghostinthepost]

Trade Him For A Raptor !
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0UNgbA6xoU[/youtube]

[hyper316]

trade bosh to dallas for haywood and butler and pick

[Dr Positivity]

I think the most likely deals are

From Miami: Future Toronto 1st, Miami 2011 1st, TPE OR Future Toronto 1st, Miami 2010 1st, James Jones, Daequon Cook

From Chicago: James Johnson and/or Chicago 2010 1st

[panthermark]

1) Bosh, Weems and Turk to CHI for Noah and Deng

Only reason Chicago does this is to lose Deng's out of shape contract and body. They might actually want Turk's playoff experience. If this is too reefer-tastic, give em Beli as well.

Are you serious?

[panthermark]

I think the most likely deals are

From Miami: Future Toronto 1st, Miami 2011 1st, TPE OR Future Toronto 1st, Miami 2010 1st, James Jones, Daequon Cook

From Chicago: James Johnson and/or Chicago 2010 1st

I can't see Miami doing it because they are giving up a lot for an UFA...and because they love Amare.

But....

I could almost see Chicago doing that. No one knows what to think of James Johnson. Maybe....

[Dr Positivity]

I think the most likely deals are

From Miami: Future Toronto 1st, Miami 2011 1st, TPE OR Future Toronto 1st, Miami 2010 1st, James Jones, Daequon Cook

From Chicago: James Johnson and/or Chicago 2010 1st

I can't see Miami doing it because they are giving up a lot for an UFA...and because they love Amare.

But....

I could almost see Chicago doing that. No one knows what to think of James Johnson. Maybe....

They are? They probably won't see the Toronto pick for at least 2-3 years and they're trying to win immediately with Wade/Bosh, the 2011 one is crap. It would have no effect on their next couple years unless they planned on dealing their pick. If we take Jones/Cook in the 2nd deal they free up 4 mil of capspace as well, + 1 for the rookie they won't pay

I think Bosh can hold out on Miami to get them the 126 mil deal, if that makes sense. Like he'll say "I want to sign there, but make sure you get the highest contract". Then for us to cooperate will need compensation. If Amare is willing to sign in Miami for 100 straight up it'll hurt our case, but I get the feeling he'll want the big deal as well and Phx will take a similar pay up stance for him

[panthermark]

They are? They probably won't see the Toronto pick for at least 2-3 years and they're trying to win immediately with Wade/Bosh, the 2011 one is crap. It would have no effect on their next couple years unless they planned on dealing their pick. If we take Jones/Cook in the 2nd deal they free up 4 mil of capspace as well, + 1 for the rookie they won't pay

I think Bosh can hold out on Miami to get them the 126 mil deal, if that makes sense. Like he'll say "I want to sign there, but make sure you get the highest contract". Then for us to cooperate will need compensation............... If Amare is willing to sign in Miami for 100 straight up it'll hurt our case, but I get the feeling he'll want the big deal as well and Phx will take a similar pay up stance for him

"For us to cooperate" And that is the problem right there....because it puts all of the "negatives" on Toronto. The Raps can S&T him and give him the 6th year simply because the guy has been fantastic citizen and player for Toronto and the Raptors. But if you try to hold that 6th year hostage, things can get ugly. Bosh is too high a profile player, and his agent belongs to too high a profile agency for BC to let that happen.

Let me ask you this question. If Miami is his choice...what if Miami says..."No picks/players...we will be more than happy to pay him the 6th year, and you will get a TPE"

What do you think Bosh....or his agent will do?

[pass first]

"For us to cooperate" And that is the problem right there....because it puts all of the "negatives" on Toronto. The Raps can S&T him and give him the 6th year simply because the guy has been fantastic citizen and player for Toronto and the Raptors. But if you try to hold that 6th year hostage, things can get ugly. Bosh is too high a profile player, and his agent belongs to too high a profile agency for BC to let that happen.

Let me ask you this question. If Miami is his choice...what if Miami says..."No picks/players...we will be more than happy to pay him the 6th year, and you will get a TPE"

What do you think Bosh....or his agent will do?

Lol.. fantastic citizen? Raptors aren't going to co-operate if they get **** back. BC can't sell that to the media. "Yeah, I got nothing, but we volunteered to a S&T to thank Chris for being such a gentleman and fantastic citizen for the last 7 years."

[panthermark]

"For us to cooperate" And that is the problem right there....because it puts all of the "negatives" on Toronto. The Raps can S&T him and give him the 6th year simply because the guy has been fantastic citizen and player for Toronto and the Raptors. But if you try to hold that 6th year hostage, things can get ugly. Bosh is too high a profile player, and his agent belongs to too high a profile agency for BC to let that happen.

Let me ask you this question. If Miami is his choice...what if Miami says..."No picks/players...we will be more than happy to pay him the 6th year, and you will get a TPE"

What do you think Bosh....or his agent will do?

Lol.. fantastic citizen? Raptors aren't going to co-operate if they get **** back. BC can't sell that to the media. "Yeah, I got nothing, but we volunteered to a S&T to thank Chris for being such a gentleman and fantastic citizen for the last 7 years."

If he is S&T'd for nothing (like a conditonal future 2nd round pick), you are guaranteed to get back a $16.6M TPE.

But seriously, if Miami said "no"...what do you think Bosh and his agent would do?

[pass first]

If he is S&T'd for nothing (like a conditonal future 2nd round pick), you are guaranteed to get back a $16.6M TPE.

But seriously, if Miami said "no"...what do you think Bosh and his agent would do?

It all depends and it's a lot of speculation. I find your scenario ironic because if Bosh would be such a great guy he wouldn't screw BC over like that, i.e. blackmailing him to walk away from his bird rights if he doesn't cooperate. It would mean he's not cooperating to help both parties get the best possible deal not really what you'd expect of a 'model citizen'. Imo Bosh appreciates the business aspect of the NBA and he wouldn't do such a thing. Nor does he have one destination trumping all others at this point, and I doubt that will change - as long as it's a contending team or the closest thing to it.

[Duke3D]

1) Bosh, Weems and Turk to CHI for Noah and Deng

Only reason Chicago does this is to lose Deng's out of shape contract and body. They might actually want Turk's playoff experience. If this is too reefer-tastic, give em Beli as well.

Are you serious?

Yeah -but I did qualify a reefer-tastic tag there

Weems would be an underpaid version of Deng IMO, and Bosh can be the low post scorer they do not have. They get another competent ballhandler in Turk, and lose Deng's contract in return. He actually has an extra year and $15 mil more than Hedo left on his contract.

I think it's a serious offensive upgrade for the Bulls, as they are challenged in that area pretty badly and give them other offensive options besides Rose. And financially they only add Bosh's money.

[kwamebargnani]

I think the most likely deals are

From Miami: Future Toronto 1st, Miami 2011 1st, TPE OR Future Toronto 1st, Miami 2010 1st, James Jones, Daequon Cook

From Chicago: James Johnson and/or Chicago 2010 1st

That sounds about right. Some of you need to lower your expectations before getting drastically disappointed. Aldridge? Noah? lol

[panthermark]

If he is S&T'd for nothing (like a conditonal future 2nd round pick), you are guaranteed to get back a $16.6M TPE.

But seriously, if Miami said "no"...what do you think Bosh and his agent would do?

It all depends and it's a lot of speculation. I find your scenario ironic because if Bosh would be such a great guy he wouldn't screw BC over like that, i.e. blackmailing him to walk away from his bird rights if he doesn't cooperate. It would mean he's not cooperating to help both parties get the best possible deal not really what you'd expect of a 'model citizen'. Imo Bosh appreciates the business aspect of the NBA and he wouldn't do such a thing. Nor does he have one destination trumping all others at this point, and I doubt that will change - as long as it's a contending team or the closest thing to it.

But that is exactly what BC (well, not BC...but most fans) are stating BC will do to Bosh. Blackmail him over a 6th year. And BC is supposed to be a nice guy himself.

The sentiment here is..."Bosh, if you want that 6th year, we work something out.....and by the way....a TPE isn't enough.".

That is the sticking point. What "is" enough? Heck, BC could demand 5 first round draft picks from any team that wants Bosh if Bosh wants that 6th year. (I doubt that will happen, but I hope you understand the example).


I really don't know what would happen if Miami said "no". I guess it all depends on where Bosh has his heart set...or if he has a list of "solid" locations.

[Dr Positivity]

They are? They probably won't see the Toronto pick for at least 2-3 years and they're trying to win immediately with Wade/Bosh, the 2011 one is crap. It would have no effect on their next couple years unless they planned on dealing their pick. If we take Jones/Cook in the 2nd deal they free up 4 mil of capspace as well, + 1 for the rookie they won't pay

I think Bosh can hold out on Miami to get them the 126 mil deal, if that makes sense. Like he'll say "I want to sign there, but make sure you get the highest contract". Then for us to cooperate will need compensation............... If Amare is willing to sign in Miami for 100 straight up it'll hurt our case, but I get the feeling he'll want the big deal as well and Phx will take a similar pay up stance for him

"For us to cooperate" And that is the problem right there....because it puts all of the "negatives" on Toronto. The Raps can S&T him and give him the 6th year simply because the guy has been fantastic citizen and player for Toronto and the Raptors. But if you try to hold that 6th year hostage, things can get ugly. Bosh is too high a profile player, and his agent belongs to too high a profile agency for BC to let that happen.

Let me ask you this question. If Miami is his choice...what if Miami says..."No picks/players...we will be more than happy to pay him the 6th year, and you will get a TPE"

What do you think Bosh....or his agent will do?

People are taking this "his agent will threatenz us!!!" thing too far. All Falk cares about is getting Bosh 130 mil in the city of his choosing. Whether Miami has to give up something for that is up to Riley and Colangelo, it has nothing to do with the agent or the potential of him threatening a team to give up nothing for its player

Frankly I think the idea of agents threatening GMs to be ridiculous anyways. Contract negotiations go on every year where players aren't offered as much as they want. Don't you think if agents could "threaten" teams into giving the highest contract, they'd push their teams into giving higher contracts? Like if Elton Brand's agent two years ago told the Clippers "you'll give Elton 100 mil OR ELSE!!!" Of course that didn't happen. Brand's leverage was leaving them cold, not the agent

This summer if Lebron wants out, NY will sign him for the 100 mil straight up. Will Cleveland get blackballed for not 130 mil S&Ting him to NY? Hell no

Here's what will happen with Miami and Bosh/Amare. Both players will want 130 mil from the team they land on. THAT's the main impact their agents will have. You're not getting one of them unless you give up 130. Miami will know this and will decide between Bosh/Amare at 130 mil + giving up a future 1st, or Boozer or Lee at 80 mil. I am 98% sure they will prefer the Bosh/Amare deal of those two options, they've clearly been pushing for a max guy. So they will agree with the one they choose of those two to sign for 130 mil, and they will give up our 1st and a TPE for him or two 1sts + dumping Jones/Cook or something

[pass first]

But that is exactly what BC (well, not BC...but most fans) are stating BC will do to Bosh. Blackmail him over a 6th year. And BC is supposed to be a nice guy himself.

The sentiment here is..."Bosh, if you want that 6th year, we work something out.....and by the way....a TPE isn't enough.".

That is the sticking point. What "is" enough? Heck, BC could demand 5 first round draft picks from any team that wants Bosh if Bosh wants that 6th year. (I doubt that will happen, but I hope you understand the example).


I really don't know what would happen if Miami said "no". I guess it all depends on where Bosh has his heart set...or if he has a list of "solid" locations.

I disagree. 6th year of a max contract isn't some kind of god-given right. It's a privilege. If Bosh goes I'm sure he'll want it though and knows there's strings attached. BC and CB will have mutual interests to get a S&T done so I think it'll work out fine. Bosh isn't stupid so he'll understand BC can't just bend over to other teams.