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Randle McMurphy · Post #3621 » by **Randle McMurphy** » Wed Oct 7, 2020 4:42 am

GG0701 wrote:
Randle McMurphy wrote:
GG0701 wrote:
Yeah I don’t know if you watched this game. They came back when they took Lebron out for Rondo. He’s been a turnover machine, chucking, making some weird decisions. He has stretches where he shows up but even Laker fans don’t know wtf he’s doing a lot of the time

He actually refused to shoot the ball with 3.1 left in the half because of his shooting %. He’s well aware of his stats

The guy contributed to 44 of their 102 points, was their leading rebounder, guarded the opposing team’s best player Jimmy Butler for the entire 4th quarter and took him out of the game, and is now averaging nearly a 30 point triple double for the series.

But sure, the guy’s trash. Incredible how deluded some are.

AD was guarding Jimmy. Did you just look at stats?

For most of the game but not for most of the 4th. LeBron had him down the stretch.

GG0701 · Post #3622 » by **GG0701** » Wed Oct 7, 2020 4:47 am

Randle McMurphy wrote:
GG0701 wrote:
Randle McMurphy wrote:The guy contributed to 44 of their 102 points, was their leading rebounder, guarded the opposing team’s best player Jimmy Butler for the entire 4th quarter and took him out of the game, and is now averaging nearly a 30 point triple double for the series.

But sure, the guy’s trash. Incredible how deluded some are.

AD was guarding Jimmy. Did you just look at stats?

For most of the game but not for most of the 4th. LeBron had him down the stretch.

AD was guarding him down the stretch.

Randle McMurphy · Post #3623 » by **Randle McMurphy** » Wed Oct 7, 2020 4:50 am

GG0701 wrote:
Randle McMurphy wrote:
GG0701 wrote:
AD was guarding Jimmy. Did you just look at stats?

For most of the game but not for most of the 4th. LeBron had him down the stretch.

AD was guarding him down the stretch.

That isn’t my recollection at all but I’m happy to be refuted on the tape.

Randle McMurphy · Post #3624 » by **Randle McMurphy** » Wed Oct 7, 2020 4:51 am

Read on Twitter

This man just sucks at the game of basketball.

Basketball_Jones · Post #3625 » by **Basketball_Jones** » Wed Oct 7, 2020 4:54 am

Lebron definitely looks far removed from his prime. Yet he’s still dominating. Pretty incredible. Would have been sad seeing Kawhi or Giannis locking him down so kind of glad he avoided those match ups.

GG0701 · Post #3626 » by **GG0701** » Wed Oct 7, 2020 5:01 am

Randle McMurphy wrote:
GG0701 wrote:
Randle McMurphy wrote:For most of the game but not for most of the 4th. LeBron had him down the stretch.

AD was guarding him down the stretch.

That isn’t my recollection at all but I’m happy to be refuted on the tape.

Um you can just go on Twitter and read tweets from people who were watching the game.

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Rondo took over playmaking down the stretch too

Kevin Willis · Post #3627 » by **Kevin Willis** » Wed Oct 7, 2020 12:40 pm

Yeah for a bunch of plays in the fourth Lebron was handling the ball at the top and doing PnR with either Herro or Duncan's man. They were successful and then Lebron started to clank shots. They changed it to Rondo ball-handling and they pulled away.

Butler was very good for awhile but they changed schemes against him and he was no longer superstar. For Miami, they have a few anti-Lebron type defenders in Iggy, Butler and Crowder. But guarding Lebron takes a toll eventually and Iggy is not an offensive player anymore. Crowder was doing a good job trying to piss off Lebron though.

ash_k · Post #3628 » by **ash_k** » Wed Oct 7, 2020 12:48 pm

It is clear to me Jimmy Butler cannot score on AD straight-up on one-on-one..but the Lakers are still making those soft switches on the PnR. I don't get why AD does not go underneath the screens knowing JB does not want to take a 3. JB is terrified by AD's length

ash_k · Post #3629 » by **ash_k** » Wed Oct 7, 2020 1:03 pm

Last night was just another example why I will never consider JB anything other than a 3rd tier...after that 40-pointer, at least try to come back with 30 points. 8-for-17 ?! even the rookie managed to take more shots with his 8-for-18.

ATLTimekeeper · Post #3630 » by **ATLTimekeeper** » Wed Oct 7, 2020 1:14 pm

Butler's inability to even take 3s turns him into an overdribbler. Miami was hanging in this one by the skin of their teeth, so that's admirable. I liked how LeBron took over in the 4th, even with mixed results, he didn't trust AD to score and he was 100% right to do so.

TheAlchemist · Post #3631 » by **TheAlchemist** » Wed Oct 7, 2020 3:31 pm

Well, this is perhaps Lebrons last chip in the NBA. So good for him for trying his level best to get it.

But i'm damn well positive he won't be getting one again after this year.

KL78192020 · Post #3632 » by **KL78192020** » Wed Oct 7, 2020 4:07 pm

Randle McMurphy wrote:
GG0701 wrote:
Randle McMurphy wrote:LeBron literally creates offense for himself and everyone else on court by virtue of his mere presence. The Lakers get swept if he’s not playing in these games.

Amazing how this guy gets trashed for even averaging a triple double in the Finals.

Yeah I don’t know if you watched this game. They came back when they took Lebron out for Rondo. He’s been a turnover machine, chucking, making some weird decisions. He has stretches where he shows up but even Laker fans don’t know wtf he’s doing a lot of the time

He actually refused to shoot the ball with 3.1 left in the half because of his shooting %. He’s well aware of his stats

The guy contributed to 44 of their 102 points, was their leading rebounder, guarded the opposing team’s best player Jimmy Butler for the entire 4th quarter and took him out of the game, and is now averaging nearly a 30 point triple double for the series.

But sure, the guy’s trash. Incredible how deluded some are.

People will find any reason to not like Lebron. The guy has maintained an insane level of play, why is it one guy or another. Its a team sport. Lebron pretty much kept them in the game when it was 83-83. He created all those shots for KCP., and attacked the basket making all his FTs, without that the Lakers lose. AD had the big 3 and block on Butler doing his part. Neither player wins out the other, just like every single finals in the history of the sport. Just like AD didn't do **** all his years in New Orleans. Lebron took a team of nobodies to the finals in his first stint with the Cavs.

People should be happy they get to watch one of the greatest players of all time before he retires in few years

Rust_Cohle · Post #3633 » by **Rust_Cohle** » Wed Oct 7, 2020 7:13 pm

Anthony Davis deserves finals MVP

ash_k · Post #3634 » by **ash_k** » Wed Oct 7, 2020 8:18 pm

Rust_Cohle wrote:Anthony Davis deserves finals MVP

If it wasn't for that game 3, it would be"NO question". One interesting development, Butler can score on LeBron one-on-one, but cannot on AD. If AD can lead the team in scoring and rebounding in Game 5(win) then he will be the FMVP imo.

h4rrison · Post #3635 » by **h4rrison** » Wed Oct 7, 2020 8:59 pm

Lebron will be the primary ball handler. He can control the narrative easily by ensuring his stats are superior than AD’s. I think Lebron gets the edge due to consistency and AD’s off game 3. Overall in terms of impact, it should go to AD. When he plays well, they win.

Basketball_Jones · Post #3636 » by **Basketball_Jones** » Wed Oct 7, 2020 9:07 pm

Too bad Miami couldn't tie this up. It's firmly about the race for Finals MVP now lol. Was a short lived moment when this was actually somewhat of a series.

Oh yeah, AD was dominant in the playoffs with the Pelicans. His teams just choked or were poorly built. He's a huge difference maker though, and his offence has caught up to his All NBA defense. That's something Giannis can't even boast right now.

ash_k · Post #3637 » by **ash_k** » Wed Oct 7, 2020 9:28 pm

Prior to the season in 13 playoffs games : 30.5ppg 12.7rpg 2.6bpg .526fg% .850 ft%....ALL-TIME GREAT numbers for AD

sidsid · Post #3638 » by **sidsid** » Thu Oct 8, 2020 5:27 am

ash_k wrote:Last night was just another example why I will never consider JB anything other than a 3rd tier...after that 40-pointer, at least try to come back with 30 points. 8-for-17 ?! even the rookie managed to take more shots with his 8-for-18.

Him and Lowry have been criminally underated for a long time while being better than overrated chuckers like Kyrie and Kemba (who both got exposed in back to back years on the Celtics).

But this is a league for superstars and they aren't big/athletic/skilled enough to overcome that.

We switched Kawhi on him and he was stopped last year.

That's not a knock on guys like Lowry and Jimmy though. There are only about 7 guys in the league who are true superstars. Jimmy is one of the best of the rest.

Basketball_Jones · Post #3639 » by **Basketball_Jones** » Thu Oct 8, 2020 6:29 pm

sidsid wrote:
ash_k wrote:Last night was just another example why I will never consider JB anything other than a 3rd tier...after that 40-pointer, at least try to come back with 30 points. 8-for-17 ?! even the rookie managed to take more shots with his 8-for-18.

Him and Lowry have been criminally underated for a long time while being better than overrated chuckers like Kyrie and Kemba (who both got exposed in back to back years on the Celtics).

But this is a league for superstars and they aren't big/athletic/skilled enough to overcome that.

We switched Kawhi on him and he was stopped last year.

That's not a knock on guys like Lowry and Jimmy though. There are only about 7 guys in the league who are true superstars. Jimmy is one of the best of the rest.

22, 10, 9 is nothing to scoff at for a follow up game either. I agree he is one of the best of the rest, and while a guy like Paul George is more gifted I feel Jimmy is just a smarter player and knows when to save himself to step up at the right time while guys like George flame out.

sidsid · Post #3640 » by **sidsid** » Thu Oct 8, 2020 8:55 pm

Basketball_Jones wrote:
sidsid wrote:
ash_k wrote:Last night was just another example why I will never consider JB anything other than a 3rd tier...after that 40-pointer, at least try to come back with 30 points. 8-for-17 ?! even the rookie managed to take more shots with his 8-for-18.

Him and Lowry have been criminally underated for a long time while being better than overrated chuckers like Kyrie and Kemba (who both got exposed in back to back years on the Celtics).

But this is a league for superstars and they aren't big/athletic/skilled enough to overcome that.

We switched Kawhi on him and he was stopped last year.

That's not a knock on guys like Lowry and Jimmy though. There are only about 7 guys in the league who are true superstars. Jimmy is one of the best of the rest.

22, 10, 9 is nothing to scoff at for a follow up game either. I agree he is one of the best of the rest, and while a guy like Paul George is more gifted I feel Jimmy is just a smarter player and knows when to save himself to step up at the right time while guys like George flame out.

Yeah, that line is still great. Lakers realised like we did last year that you can't screw around with Butler; just put your biggest and strongest defender on him.

My thinking on George now is that he's a part time superstar. I don't know if it's his mentality, or not acclimating to having another high usage star next to him, but his peaks and valleys are a big variance issue for a team like the Clippers. Put Jimmy's brain in his body and he wouldn't be far off from Kawhi.