State of the Union. Team Canada Basketball. (FIBA Americas Aug.31-Sep.15)

Rapcity_11 · Post #3641 » by **Rapcity_11** » Sat Sep 12, 2015 1:38 am

Clementine9 wrote:
Rapcity_11 wrote:Why do people love blaming coaches so much? It's insane.

Lots of people to blame in this one. Triano is one of them.

Sure, but I'd assign him about as much blame as any of the players who played significant minutes at the most. Reading this thread would make it seem like he played only 5 PG and 5 C lineups.

Badonkadonk · Post #3642 » by **Badonkadonk** » Sat Sep 12, 2015 1:40 am

Rapcity_11 wrote:Why do people love blaming coaches so much? It's insane.

Why did Stauskas and Bennett play 15-16 mins each?

Players were terrible, so was the coaching.

You don't adjust to Venezuala, you let them adjust to you.

Rapcity_11 · Post #3643 » by **Rapcity_11** » Sat Sep 12, 2015 1:45 am

Badonkadonk wrote:
Rapcity_11 wrote:Why do people love blaming coaches so much? It's insane.

Why did Stauskas and Bennett play 15-16 mins each?

Players were terrible, so was the coaching.

You don't adjust to Venezuala, you let them adjust to you.

Thanks for proving my point.

Clementine9 · Post #3644 » by **Clementine9** » Sat Sep 12, 2015 1:46 am

Rapcity_11 wrote:
Clementine9 wrote:
Rapcity_11 wrote:Why do people love blaming coaches so much? It's insane.

Lots of people to blame in this one. Triano is one of them.

Sure, but I'd assign him about as much blame as any of the players who played significant minutes at the most. Reading this thread would make it seem like he played only 5 PG and 5 C lineups.

Fair enough, not going to argue with that. I think player inexperience was a big part of everything that happened but Triano didn't do a good job of trying to control the game in any way. Acted like he had little faith in a lot of guys, mixed things up with unfamiliar line-ups, made "coaching from behind" decisions even when Canada was leading or competing.

B-Ball Freak · Post #3645 » by **B-Ball Freak** » Sat Sep 12, 2015 1:46 am

Was Dwight Powell hurt or something?

rottenzombie · Post #3646 » by **rottenzombie** » Sat Sep 12, 2015 1:46 am

Badonkadonk wrote:
Rapcity_11 wrote:Why do people love blaming coaches so much? It's insane.

Why did Stauskas and Bennett play 15-16 mins each?

Players were terrible, so was the coaching.

You don't adjust to Venezuala, you let them adjust to you.

There is a reason why Stauskas and Bennett couldn't crack rotations on some of the worst teams in the NBA.

Those two are so easily rattled and they have absolutely no mental toughness to withstand the tiniest of obstacles. They were missing wide open shots both on the perimeter and near the rim, and they were letting their energy on the defense dragged down by their failures on offense.

As bad as Jay Triano is, it is not entirely his fault that Stauskas and Bennett are, simply put, not good, reliable players.

Meursault · Post #3647 » by **Meursault** » Sat Sep 12, 2015 1:47 am

on a side note, i love the hubris of this: http://www.sportsnet.ca/basketball/nba/make-no-mistake-canada-basketball-is-rio-bound/

webc5 · Post #3648 » by **webc5** » Sat Sep 12, 2015 1:48 am

How does the Final Olympic Qualifier work?

Clementine9 · Post #3649 » by **Clementine9** » Sat Sep 12, 2015 1:48 am

rottenzombie wrote:
Badonkadonk wrote:
Rapcity_11 wrote:Why do people love blaming coaches so much? It's insane.

Why did Stauskas and Bennett play 15-16 mins each?

Players were terrible, so was the coaching.

You don't adjust to Venezuala, you let them adjust to you.

There is a reason why Stauskas and Bennett couldn't crack rotations on some of the worst teams in the NBA.

Those two are so easily rattled and they have absolutely no mental toughness to withstand the tiniest of obstacles. They were missing wide open shots both on the perimeter and near the rim, and they were letting their energy on the defense dragged down by their failures on offense.

As bad as Jay Triano is, it is not entirely his fault that Stauskas and Bennett are, simply put, not good, reliable players.

I don't recall Stauskas being unreliable defensively. He was taken out after playing awesome 1 on 1 D and getting a steal. That was immediately after his 2 missed 3pt shots. Stauskas didn't miss enough to make the call you just made... in my opinion. He had a nice tip in tonight too. He was looking all right, just needed to find his shot. He wasn't given a chance to do that.

Post #3650 » by **Undefeated** » Sat Sep 12, 2015 1:50 am

Clementine9 wrote:Acted like he had little faith in a lot of guys, mixed things up with unfamiliar line-ups, made "coaching from behind" decisions even when Canada was leading or competing.

Triano has been experimenting with different line-ups all tournament for what it's worth...

RalphWiggum · Post #3651 » by **RalphWiggum** » Sat Sep 12, 2015 1:51 am

webc5 wrote:How does the Final Olympic Qualifier work?

We play other teams we should beat and then lose to them because we suck ass.

Post #3652 » by **LittleOzzy** » Sat Sep 12, 2015 1:51 am

You have to imagine that Olympic organizers are pissed losing out on a team packed with NBA talent for one with none.

Someone in Venezuela clearly paid a FIBA official or two.

Clementine9 · Post #3653 » by **Clementine9** » Sat Sep 12, 2015 1:54 am

Undefeated wrote:
Clementine9 wrote:Acted like he had little faith in a lot of guys, mixed things up with unfamiliar line-ups, made "coaching from behind" decisions even when Canada was leading or competing.

Triano has been experimenting with different line-ups all tournament for what it's worth...

True enough. Just felt it was a little extreme tonight and also it wasn't in a situation where we were up 20 and rolling.

3rd quarter comes to mind when Wiggins was taken out early (CoJo too). Someone said they had 3 fouls but it turned out Wiggins only had one, I'm not sure about CoJo. Too early for it to be a resting thing. And considering the importance of this game, I would have wanted to try to stretch Wiggins just a bit more. Don't want to drain the guy in a close game but I don't know, just thought it was a funny decision.

Would have liked to see more Olynyk and Bennett on the floor together more too. That's been pretty money all tournament.

_eagle · Post #3654 » by **_eagle** » Sat Sep 12, 2015 1:54 am

LittleOzzy wrote:You have to imagine that Olympic organizers are pissed losing a team packed with NBA talent for one with none.

Someone in Venezuela clearly paid a FIBA official or two.

Now watch Mexico beat Argentina.

Clementine9 · Post #3655 » by **Clementine9** » Sat Sep 12, 2015 1:55 am

Undefeated wrote:
Clementine9 wrote:Acted like he had little faith in a lot of guys, mixed things up with unfamiliar line-ups, made "coaching from behind" decisions even when Canada was leading or competing.

Triano has been experimenting with different line-ups all tournament for what it's worth...

On a side note, if I cry will you tell me it's okay and that everything will get better?

mathgeek · Post #3656 » by **mathgeek** » Sat Sep 12, 2015 1:57 am

webc5 wrote:How does the Final Olympic Qualifier work?

Just prior to the Olympic games in 2016, there will be a qualifying tournament comprised of 18 total teams that have not qualified yet. Top 3 teams from this tournament make it to the Olympics. It will be made out of 5 teams from Europe, 3 from the Americas (Canada, Puerto Rico, Mexico/Argentina), 3 from Africa (Senegal, Tunisia, Angola), 3 from Asia, 1 from Oceania (New Zealand), and 3 host teams.

rottenzombie · Post #3657 » by **rottenzombie** » Sat Sep 12, 2015 1:57 am

Clementine9 wrote:
rottenzombie wrote:
Badonkadonk wrote:Why did Stauskas and Bennett play 15-16 mins each?

Players were terrible, so was the coaching.

You don't adjust to Venezuala, you let them adjust to you.

There is a reason why Stauskas and Bennett couldn't crack rotations on some of the worst teams in the NBA.

Those two are so easily rattled and they have absolutely no mental toughness to withstand the tiniest of obstacles. They were missing wide open shots both on the perimeter and near the rim, and they were letting their energy on the defense dragged down by their failures on offense.

As bad as Jay Triano is, it is not entirely his fault that Stauskas and Bennett are, simply put, not good, reliable players.

I don't recall Stauskas being unreliable defensively. He was taken out after playing awesome 1 on 1 D and getting a steal. That was immediately after his 2 missed 3pt shots. Stauskas didn't miss enough to make the call you just made... in my opinion. He had a nice tip in tonight too. He was looking all right, just needed to find his shot. He wasn't given a chance to do that.

Unreliable as in getting rattled and not able to play at his own pace regardless of outside pressures.

He hoisted up some bad shots when the team was not doing well, was a step slow on some rotations (not entirely his fault, this whole Canadian roster still lacks cohesion) and was visibly downtrodden when he got pulled, even the FIBA commentators noticed it.

Haslip at least was able to do something, I guess Triano just didn't have enough trust in Stauskas's ability to pull himself together.

arbsn · Post #3658 » by **arbsn** » Sat Sep 12, 2015 1:57 am

Undefeated wrote:
Rapcity_11 wrote:Why do people love blaming coaches so much? It's insane.

Thank you.

The biggest sign for me was right after the foul was called, when the game was in the balance. The camera clearly shows Jay Triano and his assistants docile around their bench while the insane coach of the Venezuela team is up, in the refs face, screaming like an insane man to call the foul. Stuff like that wins games. The difference in this game was a very small margin.

Canada had a huge advantage but the team came in pretty rattled and stayed that way throughout the game. The coach needs to relax his players but at the same time be the dominant force that gives them confidence. There was no confidence shown in Jay`s players today. He basically benched Bennett, arguably the core of the team this year. He benched Stauskas for the wrong reasons. He had no trust in Cojo to play through fouls. He didn`t run any plays for Wiggins after the first play of the game. But worst of all, he didn`t fight for his team when the game was in the balance.

TL:DR After careful analysis, coaching was the biggest factor in Canada losing the game

Post #3659 » by **pbj** » Sat Sep 12, 2015 1:58 am

Alfred wrote:I am at the screaming phase. The part where you just yell, and thank god you don't have children to keep up. AAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH

What comes after the screaming phase?

Post #3660 » by **Undefeated** » Sat Sep 12, 2015 1:58 am

Clementine9 wrote:3rd quarter comes to mind when Wiggins was taken out early (CoJo too). Someone said they had 3 fouls but it turned out Wiggins only had one, I'm not sure about CoJo. Too early for it to be a resting thing. And considering the importance of this game, I would have wanted to try to stretch Wiggins just a bit more. Don't want to drain the guy in a close game but I don't know, just thought it was a funny decision.

Would have liked to see more Olynyk and Bennett on the floor together more too. That's been pretty money all tournament.

That was me. I was unsure of how many fouls Wiggins had then, but CoJo definitely had 3 and that was still with 3 minutes remaining in the 3rd and you have only 5 fouls in FIBA.