Raptors Cap Situation - Woj: Cap at 70 million, Tax 84.7 million

[Patman]

If we don't get a Tier 1 FA (likely scenario), I hope we don't commit long term to Tier 2 players. 2 year commitments at most so we have the flexibility to change directions.

[Rapsfan07]

I wonder what types of contacts Amir and Lou would command on the open market.

Taking a guess, but for Lou 3 years 18 million and Amir 24 for 4 years.

Should leave us 3-4 million to sign a backup center in free agency.

I want this team to sign Kosta Koufos at C.

I have Kosta Koufos on my wish list as well. Very, very solid back up C and I'm sure he'll have many suitors. He'll require at least the entire MLE, which id be happy to pay but if we get him cheaper, that's obviously better. I also read somewhere that the Grizz won't be bringing him back

However he played for about $3M per last year so like I said, I'd imagine he'd require the entire MLE to come up north. Still, if we can do it, we should. Brandan Wright is another good fall back option as well


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[SuperSant]

Even if we give Lou $7-$8 Million per season we will still have $17-$18 Million to spend on a big name free agent PF! I'm excited!!

[Badonkadonk]

What Masai did with Greivis is exactly the reason you sign FAs to value contracts. You basically add an asset without subtracting from your own base, as long as the contract is reasonable (and therefore palatable to other teams).

The return Masai has received for the Bargs and Gay deals (including all of the ancillary moves tied to the latter, like Salmons for Lou and Greivis for a 1st and 2nd) should give people faith in his ability to turn a deal.

[Raps Militia]

Even if we give Lou $7-$8 Million per season we will still have $17-$18 Million to spend on a big name free agent PF! I'm excited!!

I'd rather spend a lot of money for a great SG and trade Ross and DeRozan for a 3 and a 4 (maybe Gallinari and Faried).

[RealRapsFan]

What Masai did with Greivis is exactly the reason you sign FAs to value contracts. You basically add an asset without subtracting from your own base, as long as the contract is reasonable (and therefore palatable to other teams).

The return Masai has received for the Bargs and Gay deals (including all of the ancillary moves tied to the latter, like Salmons for Lou and Greivis for a 1st and 2nd) should give people faith in his ability to turn a deal.

Turning a $1 into a $1.05 is all nice and dandy, but doesn't get us very far if we need a hundred bucks.

Raptor's still lack both top end talent and top end assets. These moves have been nice, handy, beneficial etc... but won't mean much if it doesn't lead to something much big(ger)

[protothe]

Even if we give Lou $7-$8 Million per season we will still have $17-$18 Million to spend on a big name free agent PF! I'm excited!!

I'd rather spend a lot of money for a great SG and trade Ross and DeRozan for a 3 and a 4 (maybe Gallinari and Faried).

Name a "great" SG who is a free agent who would even ponder coming here.

[hyper316]

Even if we give Lou $7-$8 Million per season we will still have $17-$18 Million to spend on a big name free agent PF! I'm excited!!

I'd rather spend a lot of money for a great SG and trade Ross and DeRozan for a 3 and a 4 (maybe Gallinari and Faried).

Name a "great" SG who is a free agent who would even ponder coming here.

Wesley Matthew

[Raps Militia]

Even if we give Lou $7-$8 Million per season we will still have $17-$18 Million to spend on a big name free agent PF! I'm excited!!

I'd rather spend a lot of money for a great SG and trade Ross and DeRozan for a 3 and a 4 (maybe Gallinari and Faried).

Name a "great" SG who is a free agent who would even ponder coming here.

Monta Ellis. I don't like him so much, but he's better than DD.
Matthews and Wade are two other solutions, but they are players who have suffered many injuries, it would be risky to take one of the two.

[B00Yah]

What Masai did with Greivis is exactly the reason you sign FAs to value contracts. You basically add an asset without subtracting from your own base, as long as the contract is reasonable (and therefore palatable to other teams).

The return Masai has received for the Bargs and Gay deals (including all of the ancillary moves tied to the latter, like Salmons for Lou and Greivis for a 1st and 2nd) should give people faith in his ability to turn a deal.

...and manage the cap. I can't believe how quickly Masai has turned around our capped out crap team to one with some assets and cap room.

I think a lot of people here underestimate how effective he's been.

[protothe]

I'd rather spend a lot of money for a great SG and trade Ross and DeRozan for a 3 and a 4 (maybe Gallinari and Faried).

Name a "great" SG who is a free agent who would even ponder coming here.

Wesley Matthew

You consider him great? You want to pay $15mil/year to a role-player coming off an ACL tear?

[Troubadour]

Ross + TPE for Taj Gibson

Tobias Harris $15m 4 yrs
Marcus Thornton $2m yrs
Brandan Wright $5m 2 yrs

Draft Robert Upshaw 2nd Round

Lowry - Delon Wright
DeRozan - Ross - Thornton
Harris - Johnson
Gibson - Paterson
JV - Wright - Upshaw

Don't really want Gibson. He's a short term solutions at best.

Doesn't anyone know if we get the MLE this year?


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You don't get the full MLE if you use your cap space. The cap MLE is ~$2.7M.

[protothe]

I'd rather spend a lot of money for a great SG and trade Ross and DeRozan for a 3 and a 4 (maybe Gallinari and Faried).

Name a "great" SG who is a free agent who would even ponder coming here.

Monta Ellis. I don't like him so much, but he's better than DD.
Matthews and Wade are two other solutions, but they are players who have suffered many injuries, it would be risky to take one of the two.

I like Monta a lot but he'd make us marginally better. He's not in the "great" category.

Masai needs to lay off the 2nd tier free agents. It's either Tier 1 (unrealistic) or stick to role players. Being marginally better is not in our best interest.

[almatic]

Even if we give Lou $7-$8 Million per season we will still have $17-$18 Million to spend on a big name free agent PF! I'm excited!!

I'd rather spend a lot of money for a great SG and trade Ross and DeRozan for a 3 and a 4 (maybe Gallinari and Faried).

Name a "great" SG who is a free agent who would even ponder coming here.

Khris MIddleton

[protothe]

I'd rather spend a lot of money for a great SG and trade Ross and DeRozan for a 3 and a 4 (maybe Gallinari and Faried).

Name a "great" SG who is a free agent who would even ponder coming here.

Khris MIddleton

Again. Role-players who might add a win don't count as "great". He's not winning a series for us or anybody for that matter. He's a good 3rd or 4th banana, but his difference making depends on the top 2-3 guys, not him alone.

I did a breakdown of him a couple of months ago. He plays good defense, but can't create a shot to save his life. Over 50% of his shots were wide open (dependent on others).

When somebody says "great", I'm thinking Jimmy Butler at the least. And Jimmy isn't walking through that door.

[almatic]

Name a "great" SG who is a free agent who would even ponder coming here.

Khris MIddleton

Again. Role-players who might add a win don't count as "great". He's not winning a series for us or anybody for that matter. He's a good 3rd or 4th banana, but his difference making depends on the top 2-3 guys, not him alone.

I did a breakdown of him a couple of months ago. He plays good defense, but can't create a shot to save his life. Over 50% of his shots were wide open (dependent on others).

When somebody says "great", I'm thinking Jimmy Butler at the least. And Jimmy isn't walking through that door.

Well sometimes you just have to go & take a chance. Jeez.

The guys we have had 2 chances to win a series. With home court advantage.
If your standards are that high, then you'll just be an unhappy cynic for a while.

People are just brainstorming ideas on a forum & all you're doing is just bringing out negativity. We have too much of that on RealGM as it is. Don't see what your contributing with just "ah well he's not _______. And that guy isn't coming. So stop talking about free agents people".

[protothe]

Khris MIddleton

Again. Role-players who might add a win don't count as "great". He's not winning a series for us or anybody for that matter. He's a good 3rd or 4th banana, but his difference making depends on the top 2-3 guys, not him alone.

I did a breakdown of him a couple of months ago. He plays good defense, but can't create a shot to save his life. Over 50% of his shots were wide open (dependent on others).

When somebody says "great", I'm thinking Jimmy Butler at the least. And Jimmy isn't walking through that door.

Well sometimes you just have to go & take a chance. Jeez.

The guys we have had 2 chances to win a series. With home court advantage.
If your standards are that high, then you'll just be an unhappy cynic for a while.

People are just brainstorming ideas on a forum & all you're doing is just bringing out negativity. We have too much of that on RealGM as it is. Don't see what your contributing with just "ah well he's not _______. And that guy isn't coming. So stop talking about free agents people".

I understand how it comes off as negative, but I was just trying to further the discussion. The point I was trying to make is let's spend some money on a couple of players who ball instead of dumping $13-15mil/year on yet another role player and then be left with $5-10 million to find a decent scorer and big man.

Eg. Tobias Harris has more potential than either Middleton or Matthews. He's not as good defensively, but that's why we have James Johnson. Tobias can create his own shot and has potential to be more than a role player. He's younger than both, and his price could actually be justifiable. He could play the 3 or the 4.

We don't need an SG as much as we need an SF. Move DeRozan back to SG, have somebody bigger play SF. Tobias can also slide over to the PF spot. Look at his numbers in the last few months of last year.

[Rapsfan07]

Ross + TPE for Taj Gibson

Tobias Harris $15m 4 yrs
Marcus Thornton $2m yrs
Brandan Wright $5m 2 yrs

Draft Robert Upshaw 2nd Round

Lowry - Delon Wright
DeRozan - Ross - Thornton
Harris - Johnson
Gibson - Paterson
JV - Wright - Upshaw

Don't really want Gibson. He's a short term solutions at best.

Doesn't anyone know if we get the MLE this year?


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You don't get the full MLE if you use your cap space. The cap MLE is ~$2.7M.

Thanks. We should use it on Thornton and let Lou walk

[Rapsobsessed7]

11,650,926

Our new number

Assuming the cap is 2 million higher than projected. Will add it all later but on my mobile currently

Lowry / Wright
Derozan / Ross / Powell
Carroll / JJ / Bruno
PF / Patt
Val / C / Bebe

[T-d0t]

We can trade Patterson, Ross, JJ to get more cap right?