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720 wrote:Would any of you guys take a sub top 5 projected guy over Kuminga or Suggs (The guys projected to go 4th and 5th in a lot of these mocks)?
Pooper wrote:720 wrote:Would any of you guys take a sub top 5 projected guy over Kuminga or Suggs (The guys projected to go 4th and 5th in a lot of these mocks)?
In my opinion, top 4 is a lock but Kuminga would be the odd one out. If I'm a team at number 5, I'd be looking real hard whether or not I would draft Kuminga since he's so raw. Luckily for the Raps, they're drafting between 1-4 or 7-9 so there's no much pressure in having them pick Kuminga.
hyper316 wrote:Pooper wrote:720 wrote:Would any of you guys take a sub top 5 projected guy over Kuminga or Suggs (The guys projected to go 4th and 5th in a lot of these mocks)?
In my opinion, top 4 is a lock but Kuminga would be the odd one out. If I'm a team at number 5, I'd be looking real hard whether or not I would draft Kuminga since he's so raw. Luckily for the Raps, they're drafting between 1-4 or 7-9 so there's no much pressure in having them pick Kuminga.
Kuminga could very likely drop to 7-9 with Cavs and GS projected for 5 and 6. Cavs have Okoro, and I think GS takes Barnes
Raptorfan2012 wrote:720 wrote:niQ wrote:lol seems like Bouknight is now the flavour of the week. Haven't followed from the beginning but in our range I've seen Keon, Moody, Barnes, Mitchell, Mann, and now Bouknight.
Masai is going to draft Jalen Johnson and everyone here is going to be mad.
Im fine with Jalen Johnson if the Raptors have truly investigated his supposed character issues. I feel like he doesnt have the mental fortitude to grind out NBA seasons, but Im also not a pro scout.
hyper316 wrote:Pooper wrote:720 wrote:Would any of you guys take a sub top 5 projected guy over Kuminga or Suggs (The guys projected to go 4th and 5th in a lot of these mocks)?
In my opinion, top 4 is a lock but Kuminga would be the odd one out. If I'm a team at number 5, I'd be looking real hard whether or not I would draft Kuminga since he's so raw. Luckily for the Raps, they're drafting between 1-4 or 7-9 so there's no much pressure in having them pick Kuminga.
Kuminga could very likely drop to 7-9 with Cavs and GS projected for 5 and 6. Cavs have Okoro, and I think GS takes Barnes
720 wrote:hyper316 wrote:Pooper wrote:In my opinion, top 4 is a lock but Kuminga would be the odd one out. If I'm a team at number 5, I'd be looking real hard whether or not I would draft Kuminga since he's so raw. Luckily for the Raps, they're drafting between 1-4 or 7-9 so there's no much pressure in having them pick Kuminga.
Kuminga could very likely drop to 7-9 with Cavs and GS projected for 5 and 6. Cavs have Okoro, and I think GS takes Barnes
I've yet to see a mock have Kuminga drop out of the top 5. I hope you're right because if Kuminga drops to us we take him no thought required.
UnbelievablyRAW wrote:Federalies wrote:Ok, let’s say we get lucky and move up to the second overall pick. Who you taking and why.
I’ll start us off.
Case for Even Mobley:
He fills an obvious need and is projected as the clear second or third best player in this draft with “generational” upside. He ticks off the all the defensive boxes and has some super intriguing upside on offence and facilitating by way of his passing. Could be a unicorn, an all star, a defensive fulcrum or just a decent starting Center. My concerns are with his slim build and offensive question marks.
Case for Jalen Green:
He projects as a automatic bucket getter, the creator we’ve never truly had since Vince (not sure one amazing year with Kawhi counts) and an alpha who has a chance at being a perennial all-star. There are some whispers that perhaps Green, not Cade, is the best pick in the draft. That said, he has some question marks on defence, not that he can’t be great but does he want to be on that end of the ball. Is he our ticket to the promised land or a Demar like chucker with a serviceable 3 point shot?
Final analysis:
While Mobley makes so much sense on paper, I can’t overlook his potential limitations at a position that can filled at much lower cost without a tremendous drop off in production (obviously my opinion only). While a legit shot creator/potential top 5 scorer who “can” play defence seems like a necessity in today’s guard dominated league. It’s for these reasons I’d buck the prevailing “wisdom “ and select Jalen Green with the second pick in this years draft!
Thoughts?
Jalen Green. As much as Mobley can turn into some version of AD, you need an elite shot creator if you want to be a champion. We lucked into Kawhi, no one we have on the roster is even close to approximating that.
Like imagine how good we would be with the same roster but we had Tatum?
Demar didn't work for us because he was not only negative on defense, against almost every good defensive team he would get stopped. He relied too much on ball fakes and mistakes from defenders to get buckets. In the playoffs that doesn't work very long and you need someone that is better than good defense. If we can get a ROOKIE on that sort of contract who will be with us I would be estatic. Plus we could always trade some pieces to pick up a defensive minded rim running big later in the draft. THere are a couple options in the late first round
720 wrote:Would any of you guys take a sub top 5 projected guy over Kuminga or Suggs (The guys projected to go 4th and 5th in a lot of these mocks)?
hyper316 wrote:Pooper wrote:720 wrote:Would any of you guys take a sub top 5 projected guy over Kuminga or Suggs (The guys projected to go 4th and 5th in a lot of these mocks)?
In my opinion, top 4 is a lock but Kuminga would be the odd one out. If I'm a team at number 5, I'd be looking real hard whether or not I would draft Kuminga since he's so raw. Luckily for the Raps, they're drafting between 1-4 or 7-9 so there's no much pressure in having them pick Kuminga.
Kuminga could very likely drop to 7-9 with Cavs and GS projected for 5 and 6. Cavs have Okoro, and I think GS takes Barnes
B-Ball Freak wrote:Dalek wrote:B-Ball Freak wrote:
He is raw as hell but his physical attributes are intruiging, take him in the second and play him in the G-League for 2-3 years.
By size, mobility he looks like an NBA player. He basically is the dimensions of Rudy Gobert. I think he will take time to develop and it maybe longer than a couple years, and I honestly think the G-League tilts more towards guard play than being a good place to develop a C. I'd draft him with a second and stash him in Spain or the Adriatic League. I watched a couple interviews with him and he seemed like basketball was a fun activity for him. I am not exactly sure he has a great work ethic or passion for basketball:In the Mike Schmitz DraftExpress interview below, he states that he is playing basketball “to make [his] life easier” after having a conversation where his parents kind of pushed him towards it (football was his first interest).
https://advanceprobasketball.com/2020/12/17/ibou-dianko-badji-scouting-report-by-alex-brown-ahb-analytics/
The thing with keeping him in Europe is the developmental team will have less control on how to mold him, shoot he might not get the minutes that is needed to develop over there or the coach might play him a certain way that the Raptors might not want. The Raptors 905 have proven they can develop a project with best of them, I'd put him in the G-League and watch him blossom from up close.
Risk101 wrote:In case we get in the top 1-4 range can someone a case for us drafting Evan Mobley. I've watched alot of tape on him and I don't see much. He is a very mobile Center but with the NBA moving away from bigs is he worth drafting top 2? If your getting a center in the top 3 your hoping for a player like Embiid but he seems to be pointing towards Mo Bamba. He has alot of hype but I wouldn't want to draft him in the top 4 tbh
UnbelievablyRAW wrote:Risk101 wrote:In case we get in the top 1-4 range can someone a case for us drafting Evan Mobley. I've watched alot of tape on him and I don't see much. He is a very mobile Center but with the NBA moving away from bigs is he worth drafting top 2? If your getting a center in the top 3 your hoping for a player like Embiid but he seems to be pointing towards Mo Bamba. He has alot of hype but I wouldn't want to draft him in the top 4 tbh
Gobert level defense with Ayton level offense. Think about that for a second
DatHomieYouHaTe wrote:UnbelievablyRAW wrote:Risk101 wrote:In case we get in the top 1-4 range can someone a case for us drafting Evan Mobley. I've watched alot of tape on him and I don't see much. He is a very mobile Center but with the NBA moving away from bigs is he worth drafting top 2? If your getting a center in the top 3 your hoping for a player like Embiid but he seems to be pointing towards Mo Bamba. He has alot of hype but I wouldn't want to draft him in the top 4 tbh
Gobert level defense with Ayton level offense. Think about that for a second
ya right...
i'll say this though, he's built like Boucher. twig like
i would take Green and Suggs over him
Risk101 wrote:In case we get in the top 1-4 range can someone a case for us drafting Evan Mobley. I've watched alot of tape on him and I don't see much. He is a very mobile Center but with the NBA moving away from bigs is he worth drafting top 2? If your getting a center in the top 3 your hoping for a player like Embiid but he seems to be pointing towards Mo Bamba. He has alot of hype but I wouldn't want to draft him in the top 4 tbh
ItsDanger wrote:Risk101 wrote:In case we get in the top 1-4 range can someone a case for us drafting Evan Mobley. I've watched alot of tape on him and I don't see much. He is a very mobile Center but with the NBA moving away from bigs is he worth drafting top 2? If your getting a center in the top 3 your hoping for a player like Embiid but he seems to be pointing towards Mo Bamba. He has alot of hype but I wouldn't want to draft him in the top 4 tbh
He rotates and switches extremely well for his size, he has a shooting touch and should develop a 3 pt shot. He'll easily get to 230-240 lbs. Excellent passer. Higher ceiling Adebayo. I still favour a scorer but wouldn't be upset with Mobley. Our defense would improve a lot.