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With the 4th Pick, the Raptors select Scottie Barnes! Part 2

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Re: With the 4th Pick, the Raptors select Scottie Barnes! Part 2 

Post#381 » by Bruin » Sun Aug 1, 2021 6:24 pm

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The difference between Barnes and some other prospects is the willingness to get better and fix those flaws.
"I had to literally kick him out of the gym," said Packie Turner who trained Barnes during the pre-draft process.



Over the course of the summer Barnes' shooting did even out, McMains said. He's not an NBA shooter yet, that's a term McMains reserves for a select few elite scorers, but Barnes is improved. He's learning to look for his shot more and get to his spots a little more, something he's a little unaccustomed to doing coming from Florida State and being such an unselfish player in FSU's unorthodox offensive system.


If any organization is going to get Barnes to that point it's the Raptors. That's why those around Barnes were so excited by the selection. This had been their hope since the lottery first came out, Macon said. When the Raptors moved up from No. 7 to No. 4 at the NBA Lottery, Macon said he and Barnes circled Toronto as the ideal landing spot.
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Re: With the 4th Pick, the Raptors select Scottie Barnes! Part 2 

Post#382 » by maternal85 » Sun Aug 1, 2021 6:31 pm

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Suggs is very athletic. He's an excellent defender and passer and has great size at his position. This is coping at its finest.


He's an average athlete IN THE NBA at best. Many average guards off the top of my head could run him out the gym. In the NBA he's not staying in front of Trae Young, Booker, Lillard, Curry, etc. 6'4 is hardly great size for a 2 guard at the NBA level. PG Jrue Holiday would body him easily. Harden, Leonard/George,Tatum/Brown, James/Westbrook, etc would eat him up alive. He has to work on his body. Don't let the ESPN hype machine get to you. He's a bigger project/risk than Scottie, but that's subjective I guess.


Yikes...A 6"4 PG (Bigger than Most PGs in the NBA) Who can throw down 360 Windmills + Off the backboard Dunks is not athletic? ...If that is the case what are all these undersized 6 foot PGs to you? Is Lowry not athletic to you just cause hes 6 foot and can barley touch the rim? Lmao you sound like a hater at its finest ....Just cause we grabbed Barnes and your more of a fan of him doesn't mean you needa make up fictional stuff to drive your narrative about Suggs being a bad player....Its not an ESPN Hype Machine either cause most of us actually watch College basketball and Suggs was special on his run...Its our own eyes telling us he has some special qualities to him i don't need ESPN to tell me anything i have my own eyes and as i see it right now Barnes is very much more raw of a player than Suggs is and its not really that close tbh.....Does Barnes have a higher upside cause of his size? Maybe but Suggs is far more the polished player coming into the NBA with more skills all around

Calling Suggs an unathletic PG your basically dissing 90 percent of PGs in the league


Oh boy, the ESPN hype machine is kicking in. An average NBA player can throw down windmills with ease. 35 year old Chris Paul is still putting it down with 2 hands, off the bounce with ease. Stop trying to make it seem he extended on that 360 windmill like Vince Carter did. My guys were doing off the backboard dunks in the 11th grade easily, in a game. He's an average athlete at best IN THE NBA. If he was some athlete freak like a D. Rose his rookie year, he would have went 1st overall. Stop it guys.

Lowry can dunk easily. I've seen him do it in the lay up line off the dribble. You see people are comparing NBA players athleticism to that of the guys they play against at their local YMCA. Yes Suggs would be an athletic freak at the YMCA, but not in the NBA. Yes your eyes tells you he's a good NCAA player. But your eyes can't tell you what he'll be in the NBA. AGAIN, Tyler Hansbrough was probably the most polished player entering the draft. Why didn't he go 1st overall ?




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Post#383 » by maternal85 » Sun Aug 1, 2021 6:34 pm

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maternal85 wrote:He's an average athlete IN THE NBA at best. Many average guards off the top of my head could run him out the gym. In the NBA he's not staying in front of Trae Young, Booker, Lillard, Curry, etc. 6'4 is hardly great size for a 2 guard at the NBA level. PG Jrue Holiday would body him easily. Harden, Leonard/George,Tatum/Brown, James/Westbrook, etc would eat him up alive. He has to work on his body. Don't let the ESPN hype machine get to you. He's a bigger project/risk than Scottie, but that's subjective I guess.


I think Suggs does have burst speed judging from his football days, I think he'll get better at it in the NBA with the right training. He has a pretty decent first step.

I think he'll be great but I also think Barnes will be just as good, if not better with his potential ceiling.


Both are massive projects, with one having a better potential. That's my point. This narrative that one is a finished product, and would come in and put up 20ppg in our backcourt right away is comical.
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Re: With the 4th Pick, the Raptors select Scottie Barnes! Part 2 

Post#384 » by Federalies » Sun Aug 1, 2021 6:37 pm

This sets up a Lowry S&T for Dragic, Precious and Okpala!

We could then flip Dragic to the Mavs, so he can team up with countrymen Luca, for more assets! :nod: :nod: :nod:
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Re: With the 4th Pick, the Raptors select Scottie Barnes! Part 2 

Post#385 » by Clutch0z24 » Sun Aug 1, 2021 6:40 pm

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He's an average athlete IN THE NBA at best. Many average guards off the top of my head could run him out the gym. In the NBA he's not staying in front of Trae Young, Booker, Lillard, Curry, etc. 6'4 is hardly great size for a 2 guard at the NBA level. PG Jrue Holiday would body him easily. Harden, Leonard/George,Tatum/Brown, James/Westbrook, etc would eat him up alive. He has to work on his body. Don't let the ESPN hype machine get to you. He's a bigger project/risk than Scottie, but that's subjective I guess.


Yikes...A 6"4 PG (Bigger than Most PGs in the NBA) Who can throw down 360 Windmills + Off the backboard Dunks is not athletic? ...If that is the case what are all these undersized 6 foot PGs to you? Is Lowry not athletic to you just cause hes 6 foot and can barley touch the rim? Lmao you sound like a hater at its finest ....Just cause we grabbed Barnes and your more of a fan of him doesn't mean you needa make up fictional stuff to drive your narrative about Suggs being a bad player....Its not an ESPN Hype Machine either cause most of us actually watch College basketball and Suggs was special on his run...Its our own eyes telling us he has some special qualities to him i don't need ESPN to tell me anything i have my own eyes and as i see it right now Barnes is very much more raw of a player than Suggs is and its not really that close tbh.....Does Barnes have a higher upside cause of his size? Maybe but Suggs is far more the polished player coming into the NBA with more skills all around

Calling Suggs an unathletic PG your basically dissing 90 percent of PGs in the league


Oh boy, the ESPN hype machine is kicking in. An average NBA player can throw down windmills with ease. 35 year old Chris Paul is still putting it down with 2 hands, off the bounce with ease. Stop trying to make it seem he extended on that 360 windmill like Vince Carter did. My guys were doing off the backboard dunks in the 11th grade easily, in a game. He's an average athlete at best IN THE NBA. If he was some athlete freak like a D. Rose his rookie year, he would have went 1st overall. Stop it guys.

Lowry can dunk easily. I've seen him do it in the lay up line off the dribble. You see people are comparing NBA players athleticism to that of the guys they play against at their local YMCA. Yes Suggs would be an athletic freak at the YMCA, but not in the NBA. Yes your eyes tells you he's a good NCAA player. But your eyes can't tell you what he'll be in the NBA. AGAIN, Tyler Hansbrough was probably the most polished player entering the draft. Why didn't he go 1st overall ?







You keep bringing up Hansbrough...This isnt about Suggs being just a good College basketball player lol he also has elite skills thats why all year he was considered going top 3 mostly and in the top 4 for sure sometimes even 2nd ....He had an amazing year and showed he has all around skills ....Hansbrough spent all his years in college and when he went into the draft he was 22 years old...You clearly just sound like a Hater....

I like Barnes as well cause he is a Raptor now but im not going to be bias towards him and make up lies for him and say hes already the better player between him and Suggs cause that would be a lie ...In every statistic Suggs has him beat as a basketball player....

Barnes Is an athletic player based on his size and measurements alone but in terms of his speed/quickness hes not elite at all in fact hes very flat footed and has a slow movement to him...Suggs has a better first step and more explosive of a driver to the Rim...

Suggs also averaged the same amount of rebounds and almost the same amount of blocks as a PG being 5 inches shorter...Barnes might be the better player at the end of the day than Suggs but at this very moment Suggs is better at basketball than Barnes is
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Re: With the 4th Pick, the Raptors select Scottie Barnes! Part 2 

Post#386 » by T-d0t » Sun Aug 1, 2021 6:43 pm

Anyone have the source that said that Barnes was #4 on both the Magic's and Thunder big board?
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Post#387 » by MixxSRC » Sun Aug 1, 2021 6:43 pm

T-d0t wrote:Anyone have the source that said that Barnes was #4 on both the Magic's and Thunder big board?

apparently it was KOC
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Post#388 » by MavCarter » Sun Aug 1, 2021 6:44 pm

T-d0t wrote:Anyone have the source that said that Barnes was #4 on both the Magic's and Thunder big board?


I think both KOC and chad ford. Woj basically confirmed the ORL thing on draft night too
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Post#389 » by Harcore Fenton Mun » Sun Aug 1, 2021 6:48 pm

If the Magic didn't take him, it could have got ugly.

Well, maybe not ugly but GS thought they had a shot. They wanted to work him out.
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Post#390 » by Clutch0z24 » Sun Aug 1, 2021 6:49 pm

T-d0t wrote:Anyone have the source that said that Barnes was #4 on both the Magic's and Thunder big board?


TBH You can't believe this stuff especially with how much Smoke is out there before drafts...These GMs play mind tricks too much to try and get their guy they really wanted....

For example Magic don't wanna give up assets to move up to 4 to get Suggs (They know Raptors want Barnes alot and willing to move down to get him) so they leak "Scottie Barnes is our top pick on our draft board" and this makes it almost impossible for raptors to leverage a way for them to get assets in return for moving back....

Its easy way for Magic to keep all their assets (Mo bamba who the Raptors would have prolly asked for or a future first) and instead tell the Raptors they will be fine picking Barnes over Suggs (In reality they wanted Suggs all along) just so the Raptors keep 4 and select Barnes ahead of them...

So yeah don't believe them rumors one bit i think Magic were doing cartwheels when Suggs fell to them
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Post#391 » by Kreamy » Sun Aug 1, 2021 7:11 pm

Chandan wrote:did he say Scotties thumbs are paralyzed?


Just a figure of speech to say he doesn't move his thumbs when shooting the ball.
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Post#392 » by bballsparkin » Sun Aug 1, 2021 7:16 pm

Ideally both Suggs and Barnes flourish. It will make for some exciting games and hopefully playoff series. I got nothing against the Magic. If Suggs was picked by the Celtics it would be different.
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Post#393 » by garbagnani » Sun Aug 1, 2021 7:17 pm

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T-d0t wrote:Anyone have the source that said that Barnes was #4 on both the Magic's and Thunder big board?


TBH You can't believe this stuff especially with how much Smoke is out there before drafts...These GMs play mind tricks too much to try and get their guy they really wanted....

For example Magic don't wanna give up assets to move up to 4 to get Suggs (They know Raptors want Barnes alot and willing to move down to get him) so they leak "Scottie Barnes is our top pick on our draft board" and this makes it almost impossible for raptors to leverage a way for them to get assets in return for moving back....

Its easy way for Magic to keep all their assets (Mo bamba who the Raptors would have prolly asked for or a future first) and instead tell the Raptors they will be fine picking Barnes over Suggs (In reality they wanted Suggs all along) just so the Raptors keep 4 and select Barnes ahead of them...

So yeah don't believe them rumors one bit i think Magic were doing cartwheels when Suggs fell to them


The magic had to be content to draft Scottie at #5 then too. They didn’t know we were going to draft Scottie, they may has suspected it but nobody knew what we were going to do. Orlando couldn’t go wrong taking our scraps at 5.

The fact that our FO chose Scotty over Suggs counts for something (to me). They believe in Scotty more than Suggs. I can see why. Scotty has all the tools to become a superstar.
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Post#396 » by Madhouse » Sun Aug 1, 2021 7:31 pm

If Barnes is already a much better shooter than he was in college, that's obviously great news.

Regardless, I think it's a bit overblown though. I don't think there is anything fundamentally wrong with his form. I also think Covid hampered a bit of development there. Still, he shot 28% from deep. In comparison Patrick Williams shot 31% the year before and improved it to 39% in his rookie season. Definitely think Barnes can be a solid shooter his rookie season and go from there.

He went to Florida State because of player development and because they let him play PG. They run 10-12 deep, so him coming off the bench and only playing 22-24 minutes was not surprising, similar to Williams.

His work ethic is off the charts and I have not read anywhere that he isn't an incredible team mate. So, I absolutely buy that he loves and will love Toronto and the Raptors and will be a huge asset.

Ultimately I think you are looking at him playing forward while having serious playmaking skills.

And when people call a 19 year old someone who can't shoot with a 55% TS, very much looking forward to how much he improves there in a pro environment and in the best developmental program in the NBA.
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Post#397 » by Blood Orange » Sun Aug 1, 2021 7:35 pm

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Post#398 » by Kikosmooth » Sun Aug 1, 2021 7:54 pm

This kid is funny! :lol: We just found siakam his"scream after scoring" buddy. AAAHHH :evil:

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Post#400 » by Jcity08 » Sun Aug 1, 2021 7:59 pm

The bad habit I really hope he doesnt pick up that Siakam did is whining for calls and then being late getting back on defense.
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