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Re: 2021-22 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread V2.0 

Post#381 » by Madhouse » Thu Mar 17, 2022 5:39 pm

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Caruso has a huge impact on winning. Very underrated.


For sure, I like him. He's a big part of improving the Bulls defense this year.
Chicago isn't moving Ayopo Dosunmu and Williams and Curuso for Freddy. I get VanVleet is from Chicago and arguably better than Ayo not but he's not that much better. I think Chicago is happy with what they have and probably looking to add a defensive minded PF


That doesn't make sense.

Dosunmu might become a really good player but right now he is so far away from FVV.
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Post#382 » by KrazyP » Thu Mar 17, 2022 7:31 pm

OG + Trent for Beal is probably something the Raps may explore this offseason.

I'm not sure I'd make that trade as it hurts the defense and depth on top of making them older but Beal would take this team's offense to a completely different level.
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Post#383 » by tecumseh18 » Thu Mar 17, 2022 7:35 pm

KrazyP wrote:OG + Trent for Beal is probably something the Raps may explore this offseason.

I'm not sure I'd make that trade as it hurts the defense and depth on top of making them older but Beal would take this team's offense to a completely different level.


Yeah ... no. Depth is the issue with the Raptors, so trading two fine starters for one aging, injury-plagued one is just not going to happen. Also, there's a timeline here, and Beal doesn't match Scottie's timeline. OG is 24/25, and Gary just turned 23.
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Post#384 » by Madhouse » Thu Mar 17, 2022 7:41 pm

tecumseh18 wrote:
KrazyP wrote:OG + Trent for Beal is probably something the Raps may explore this offseason.

I'm not sure I'd make that trade as it hurts the defense and depth on top of making them older but Beal would take this team's offense to a completely different level.


Yeah ... no. Depth is the issue with the Raptors, so trading two fine starters for one aging, injury-plagued one is just not going to happen. Also, there's a timeline here, and Beal doesn't match Scottie's timeline. OG is 24/25, and Gary just turned 23.

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Post#385 » by LoveMyRaps » Thu Mar 17, 2022 8:57 pm

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tecumseh18 wrote:
KrazyP wrote:OG + Trent for Beal is probably something the Raps may explore this offseason.

I'm not sure I'd make that trade as it hurts the defense and depth on top of making them older but Beal would take this team's offense to a completely different level.


Yeah ... no. Depth is the issue with the Raptors, so trading two fine starters for one aging, injury-plagued one is just not going to happen. Also, there's a timeline here, and Beal doesn't match Scottie's timeline. OG is 24/25, and Gary just turned 23.

OG+Trent for SGA


I'd rather have D.Murray over SGA.

OG + Trent for Murray + Poeltl

Next years lineup:

Murray
FVV
Siakam
Barnes
Poeltl

I'd prefer to hang onto Trent though, I really like the guy. Don't trade him unless it's a real good offer.
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Post#386 » by Los_29 » Thu Mar 17, 2022 9:18 pm

tecumseh18 wrote:
KrazyP wrote:OG + Trent for Beal is probably something the Raps may explore this offseason.

I'm not sure I'd make that trade as it hurts the defense and depth on top of making them older but Beal would take this team's offense to a completely different level.


Yeah ... no. Depth is the issue with the Raptors, so trading two fine starters for one aging, injury-plagued one is just not going to happen. Also, there's a timeline here, and Beal doesn't match Scottie's timeline. OG is 24/25, and Gary just turned 23.


I think Beal is only 28 or 29. Age wouldn't be a factor here. The biggest factor is Beal just doesn't move the needle enough. He's a great offensive player who is mediocre on the defensive end. I think if the Raptors were to make a big move it'd be for someone better than Beal.
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Post#387 » by CANsportsguru » Fri Mar 18, 2022 3:25 am

KrazyP wrote:OG + Trent for Beal is probably something the Raps may explore this offseason.

I'm not sure I'd make that trade as it hurts the defense and depth on top of making them older but Beal would take this team's offense to a completely different level.


There's absolutely zero chance this happens. One of the worst trades I've ever heard.
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Post#388 » by UnbelievablyRAW » Fri Mar 18, 2022 3:25 am

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UnbelievablyRAW wrote:I would do anything to try and move OG for Wiseman. Insurance for Draymond for the Warriors, we get our big who is mobile and can play with our core.

I rather have Barnes at the 3 anyway. Can bully in the post and easily guard the position


If there's any young guy I'd be gunning for it would be Kuminga.

I would trade OG + our DET 2nd. If (like it's much of a question) the Raptors can develop Kuminga as they did OG, nevermind even getting to Pascal's level....Kuminga would be an easy all-star and likely bordering on superstar for the sheer fact he's EXPLOSIVE as an athlete, like a mini-Bron type of explosion and strength. People keep forgetting he's Chet's age, Ivery is older than him. Get this kid the kind of ball handling and shooting work OG got and he'd be one of the best wings in the league.

My only issue is if that cat is already too much out of the bag and the Warriors are all in on his potential....and idc if I get flamed for it but I said it at the draft and even with how damn gooooood Pascal has been ballin, he just really earned tfo of my respect this season because he looks a lot better and more fluid and like a real all-star. Some will kill me but I still just don't see him being good enough where his absolute prime will coincide with Scottie being at the level he needs to be to win a chip. Usually a superstar isn't truly ready to win until they're AT LEAST 25+ years old. Look at LeBron, KD, Giannis, Curry etc etc...those guys didn't win a chip at 23. In 3 years from now Pascal is 31 y/o...most of those guys didn't win until they were 26 so tack on another 3 years, are we banking on 34 y/o Pascal who literally runs himself into the ground, up and down the court like suicides to be healthy & more importantly still quick enough to do what he does?! Maybe, but I doubt it.

On the flipside, I can't even imagine what a monster Kuminga would be if we even got him to the level of OG's refinement with his type of crazy athleticism. Keeping in mind as a ballhandler Kuminga is light years ahead of where OG was as a rookie, despite Kuminga being really actually a college kid and OG being a 2 year college player. Like I said look at where guys like OG and Pascal started, raw as hell...both Scottie AND Kuminga are FAR ahead where those 2 were rookies, we're seeing what it's doing already for Scottie...do that with Kuminga. That's easily the most exciting duo here since VC/TMac and I'd argue with Scottie's passing & court vision would actually have a higher ceiling if developed properly.

All that said I know we'd likely not gamble that hard by trading Pascal but I would find some sort of package around OG for Kuminga, I think he'd become a star here.


I don't think GSW trade Kuminga for anyone on our roster other than Pascal. I'd bet they also see the star upside and they've invested a lot of money into upgrading their player development staff coming into this year.

I see your point about Pascal, but looking at how players of this era are extending their careers with work on their bodies and extra skill development, it is possible we still get all star Pascal at age 32 and have a 24 year old Scottie who is the number 1 option. Moving OG for Kuminga would solve problems for both teams but I think the Warriors (and their fans who love him) are too invested to move him for a non star player just to make a win now move.

Wiseman on the other hand doesn't fit into what the Warriors do with Steph and his injury history plus poor oncourt progression makes him a high ceiling low floor guy. I'd take that gamble for OG
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Post#389 » by UnbelievablyRAW » Fri Mar 18, 2022 3:27 am

Madhouse wrote:
tecumseh18 wrote:
KrazyP wrote:OG + Trent for Beal is probably something the Raps may explore this offseason.

I'm not sure I'd make that trade as it hurts the defense and depth on top of making them older but Beal would take this team's offense to a completely different level.


Yeah ... no. Depth is the issue with the Raptors, so trading two fine starters for one aging, injury-plagued one is just not going to happen. Also, there's a timeline here, and Beal doesn't match Scottie's timeline. OG is 24/25, and Gary just turned 23.

OG+Trent for SGA


They're gonna ask for a whole bunch of FRPs with that. Neither of the guys we are sending are as good, nor are they projected to be as good. SGA looks like he can be the second option on a championship team
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Post#390 » by tecumseh18 » Fri Mar 18, 2022 3:55 am

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tecumseh18 wrote:
Yeah ... no. Depth is the issue with the Raptors, so trading two fine starters for one aging, injury-plagued one is just not going to happen. Also, there's a timeline here, and Beal doesn't match Scottie's timeline. OG is 24/25, and Gary just turned 23.

OG+Trent for SGA


They're gonna ask for a whole bunch of FRPs with that. Neither of the guys we are sending are as good, nor are they projected to be as good. SGA looks like he can be the second option on a championship team


In other words, it doesn't make sense for Toronto. Without OG and Trent, and without the picks to replace them by draft or trade, then SGA by himself doesn't make us a championship contender. And so we wait, and develop our youth. Fine by me.

Plus, why give up a lot of assets to trade for a Canadian player? The long term plan should be to build up the asset base and entice SGA or Jamal Murray or RJ to Toronto as FAs.
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Post#391 » by TheBoi10 » Fri Mar 18, 2022 7:17 am

Madhouse wrote:
tecumseh18 wrote:
KrazyP wrote:OG + Trent for Beal is probably something the Raps may explore this offseason.

I'm not sure I'd make that trade as it hurts the defense and depth on top of making them older but Beal would take this team's offense to a completely different level.


Yeah ... no. Depth is the issue with the Raptors, so trading two fine starters for one aging, injury-plagued one is just not going to happen. Also, there's a timeline here, and Beal doesn't match Scottie's timeline. OG is 24/25, and Gary just turned 23.

OG+Trent for SGA


Dream scenario: Donovan Mitchell asks out this summer (as rumored), Raps trade OG+Trent for a young, proven dynamic 2 guard to pair with Siakam, Barnes, FVV and Precious.

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Post#392 » by original fan » Fri Mar 18, 2022 9:06 am

The 1st player that should be on the move if any is Pascal,for reasons below.
A)will easily fetch more than anyone.
B)we have 2 and maybe 3 players that can play his position,if you count the emergence of Achua.
C)the oldest of the core
D)makes the most amount of money to date.
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Post#393 » by tecumseh18 » Fri Mar 18, 2022 12:14 pm

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tecumseh18 wrote:
Yeah ... no. Depth is the issue with the Raptors, so trading two fine starters for one aging, injury-plagued one is just not going to happen. Also, there's a timeline here, and Beal doesn't match Scottie's timeline. OG is 24/25, and Gary just turned 23.

OG+Trent for SGA


Dream scenario: Donovan Mitchell asks out this summer (as rumored), Raps trade OG+Trent for a young, proven dynamic 2 guard to pair with Siakam, Barnes, FVV and Precious.

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Raps are not giving up two of the core for one 6' 1" primary ball handler to pair with Fred. Any trade would involve Gary plus a ton of picks, and even then ... :dontknow:

At least SGA has length, but I as I said above, the smart play is to rely on his Canadian-ness to eventually sign him as a FA.
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Post#394 » by Kinger95 » Fri Mar 18, 2022 2:39 pm

Front office needs to find a balance for this team and a pecking order and defined roles.

It’s such a waste when you have Scotty, OG , Pascal , Fred and Gary when you think about the reality that there’s not enough shots for all of them . I don’t know what the advanced stats say but OG and Fred appear to not be great at creating offence for themselves and are quite good at spot up shooting so why not let Scottie and pascal facilitate all the offense. Gary is interesting because he seems to either be hot or cold. I still can’t believe how little Gary turns the ball over tho.

Honestly we can’t pay them all and I hate to say it but giannis JUST turned 27 and embiid is 28 so I really don’t think a Fred/pascal (without a star) roster is gonna beat them.
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Post#395 » by Gavin_TDThree » Fri Mar 18, 2022 3:30 pm

If the bulls flame out this year, I wonder if there's a FVV trade to be had.

FVV for Williams, White, Green, Dosunmu works money wise. Not sure how Chicago feels about this as it's an all in kind of move.
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Post#396 » by Madhouse » Fri Mar 18, 2022 3:37 pm

Gavin_TDThree wrote:If the bulls flame out this year, I wonder if there's a FVV trade to be had.

FVV for Williams, White, Green, Dosunmu works money wise. Not sure how Chicago feels about this as it's an all in kind of move.


we shouldn't look to downgrade. None of those players have shown they can have Fred's impact. It's even questionable if they ever come close to that.

Not a fan of that.
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Post#397 » by Gavin_TDThree » Fri Mar 18, 2022 3:39 pm

Madhouse wrote:
Gavin_TDThree wrote:If the bulls flame out this year, I wonder if there's a FVV trade to be had.

FVV for Williams, White, Green, Dosunmu works money wise. Not sure how Chicago feels about this as it's an all in kind of move.


we shouldn't look to downgrade. None of those players have shown they can have Fred's impact. It's even questionable if they ever come close to that.

Not a fan of that.


It's definitely not a trying to compete kind of move. More of a step back and build depth for 2-3 years down the road.
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Post#398 » by anotherhomer » Fri Mar 18, 2022 3:44 pm

Madhouse wrote:
tecumseh18 wrote:
KrazyP wrote:OG + Trent for Beal is probably something the Raps may explore this offseason.

I'm not sure I'd make that trade as it hurts the defense and depth on top of making them older but Beal would take this team's offense to a completely different level.


Yeah ... no. Depth is the issue with the Raptors, so trading two fine starters for one aging, injury-plagued one is just not going to happen. Also, there's a timeline here, and Beal doesn't match Scottie's timeline. OG is 24/25, and Gary just turned 23.

OG+Trent for SGA


Presti would never do that....they'll ask for Barnes
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Post#399 » by Morris_Shatford » Fri Mar 18, 2022 5:58 pm

RE: Trent and FVV

In terms of team control of the core five guys;

Barnes RFA --> Summer 2025 (Even if he takes just the QO team control thru 2026)
Siakam UFA --> Summer 2024
OG UFA --> Summer 2024 (PO for 24/25)
FVV UFA --> Summer 2023 (PO for 23/24)
GTJ UFA --> Summer 2023 (PO for 23/24)

While it may be tempting to want to move OG or Siakam the issue is they are performing to or exceeding their current deals and have a few seasons of team control left whereas FVV and GTJ do not.

Unless you are amalgamating talent and moving two guys for a significant upgrade, I can't see a situation where OG or Siakam are moved till the situation regarding FVV and GTJ who will almost certainly opt out next summer is resolved.
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Post#400 » by Morris_Shatford » Fri Mar 18, 2022 6:09 pm

YelloC wrote:Without taking into account the strength of next years you draft which I have no opinion of yet, I wonder if we could package next years 1st and this years 2nd to potentially move up ahead of the 1st we traded to the Spurs.
If the front office really likes a player, I wouldn’t be against doing this since the focus should be on surrounding Scottie and the core with high end talent considering Scottie is ahead of schedule in his development.


I think pick 31 or 32 + some combination of cash, a future second, and using the TPE to suck down a player on a multiyear deal likely gets you into the 20s.

Moving down into the teens likely costs you more, the concern I always have about moving future first is sooner or later the NBA is going to let 18 years olds back in rather than forcing some of them to toil in the G League, Europe, or play a year of college and I would hate to not have a pick in that draft.
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