2023 Draft Discussion Part 4

[Grew]

Terrence Davis barely made an impact on the game. He’s not doing anything special for Sacramento either. Negative BPM, mediocre TS%. There are a lot of Terrence Davis’ walking around pro courts. The biggest impact he could have made was maybe allowing us to lose to Miami instead of Chicago for the play-in.

There really aren't that many big guards with that level of athletic ability that shoot above average from 3. We were missing guard depth, 3pt shooting and slashing this year, all things he brings to the table. If we had someone to reliably spell Fred while being able to play off ball so Scottie and Pascal could be more effective as point forwards, the entire season could have gone differently.

We sit here only hoping we can draft someone with more natural gifts than TD with the 13th pick. Players having impact is about development, and we gave up on a kid with potential for the wrong reasons.

This is revisionist history. Completely ignores his poor effort, selfish, and consistently boneheaded play. Whatever he gives you shooting wise, he gives up on defense and turnovers.

He's for sure a bit of a bonehead but in his time in Toronto he wasn't selfish and gave good effort most nights. He was on track to be a Norman Powell type player for us but was derailed by the off court stuff. Instead of helping him become a better person and get through that tough time, we gave up on him.

[HumbleRen]

TD3 is 26 and shoots 42% from the field. Would he be a decent 8-9th man for us ? Yeah. Was he the second coming of FVV or Norm ? No lol.

Our floor nor does our ceiling change with him, it's not that big of a deal lol.

[BoyzNTheHood]

There really aren't that many big guards with that level of athletic ability that shoot above average from 3. We were missing guard depth, 3pt shooting and slashing this year, all things he brings to the table. If we had someone to reliably spell Fred while being able to play off ball so Scottie and Pascal could be more effective as point forwards, the entire season could have gone differently.

We sit here only hoping we can draft someone with more natural gifts than TD with the 13th pick. Players having impact is about development, and we gave up on a kid with potential for the wrong reasons.

This is revisionist history. Completely ignores his poor effort, selfish, and consistently boneheaded play. Whatever he gives you shooting wise, he gives up on defense and turnovers.

He's for sure a bit of a bonehead but in his time in Toronto he wasn't selfish and gave good effort most nights. He was on track to be a Norman Powell type player for us but was derailed by the off court stuff. Instead of helping him become a better person and get through that tough time, we gave up on him.

We were right to give up on him. He was never going to be Norman Powell. Gary Trent Jr is a much better prospect than Terrence and hasn’t reached Norman’s level. There were too many issues surrounding Terrence to vouch for him any further. It’s not like he was some blue chip prospect, or superstar that we could bend the rules for.

[Grew]

This is revisionist history. Completely ignores his poor effort, selfish, and consistently boneheaded play. Whatever he gives you shooting wise, he gives up on defense and turnovers.

He's for sure a bit of a bonehead but in his time in Toronto he wasn't selfish and gave good effort most nights. He was on track to be a Norman Powell type player for us but was derailed by the off court stuff. Instead of helping him become a better person and get through that tough time, we gave up on him.

We were right to give up on him. He was never going to be Norman Powell. Gary Trent Jr is a much better prospect than Terrence and hasn’t reached Norman’s level. There were too many issues surrounding Terrence to vouch for him any further. It’s not like he was some blue chip prospect, or superstar that we could bend the rules for.

Norm and Terrence have a pretty similar stat line for their careers up to the age of 25. Norm took off after that because he was allowed to develop and then got more opportunity. They are similar in size and strengths and weakness on the court. Both have had a better career than they were expected to have on draft night.

We will never know what Terrence could have been, had he went through the same development curve as norm, because he had off court issues and we let him go. Of course his issues are his own fault, but it doesn't change the fact he had talent.

[ItsDanger]

TD2 was a symptom of this franchise's failure to develop a decent bench. On it's own, it's not a big deal. Add them up, you get the current situation . . . a horrible bench.

[WuTang_CMB]

Playoffs should show how badly we need shooting. Wouldn't be surprised if Hawkins is the pick even if the defense isn't at our standard.

[BoyzNTheHood]

He's for sure a bit of a bonehead but in his time in Toronto he wasn't selfish and gave good effort most nights. He was on track to be a Norman Powell type player for us but was derailed by the off court stuff. Instead of helping him become a better person and get through that tough time, we gave up on him.

We were right to give up on him. He was never going to be Norman Powell. Gary Trent Jr is a much better prospect than Terrence and hasn’t reached Norman’s level. There were too many issues surrounding Terrence to vouch for him any further. It’s not like he was some blue chip prospect, or superstar that we could bend the rules for.

Norm and Terrence have a pretty similar stat line for their careers up to the age of 25. Norm took off after that because he was allowed to develop and then got more opportunity. They are similar in size and strengths and weakness on the court. Both have had a better career than they were expected to have on draft night.

We will never know what Terrence could have been, had he went through the same development curve as norm, because he had off court issues and we let him go. Of course his issues are his own fault, but it doesn't change the fact he had talent.

We’re going to have to agree to disagree. I don’t agree with anything you’re saying at all.

[grant101]

There really aren't that many big guards with that level of athletic ability that shoot above average from 3. We were missing guard depth, 3pt shooting and slashing this year, all things he brings to the table. If we had someone to reliably spell Fred while being able to play off ball so Scottie and Pascal could be more effective as point forwards, the entire season could have gone differently.

We sit here only hoping we can draft someone with more natural gifts than TD with the 13th pick. Players having impact is about development, and we gave up on a kid with potential for the wrong reasons.

This is revisionist history. Completely ignores his poor effort, selfish, and consistently boneheaded play. Whatever he gives you shooting wise, he gives up on defense and turnovers.

He's for sure a bit of a bonehead but in his time in Toronto he wasn't selfish and gave good effort most nights. He was on track to be a Norman Powell type player for us but was derailed by the off court stuff. Instead of helping him become a better person and get through that tough time, we gave up on him.

I think we just have completely different recollections of his game while he was here. He was one of the more frustrating players to follow. Would mess up rotations and get back-cut routinely, picked up the most inopportune mindless fouls (was in foul trouble any time he got extended minutes) and regularly killed offensive possessions by hoisting up terrible shots. You could only hope that his streaky (though pretty) shot was on that night. Don't miss him one bit. Minor miracle we got a 2nd rounder for him.. too bad we wasted it on David Johnson.

[Grew]

You guys must not remember Norms first few seasons. Half this board would have given up on him after year 3. I'd say 90 percent of people here were bullish on TD after his rookie season, despite him not being a perfect player. I think you're using the outcome of their careers today to make it seem like you saw it that way all along.

If you don't see the similarities in Norm and TD both in their early careers and overall skillsets as players then I don't know what you're watching. Anyways back to the draft thread.

[Psubs]

You guys must not remember Norms first few seasons. Half this board would have given up on him after year 3. I'd say 90 percent of people here were bullish on TD after his rookie season, despite him not being a perfect player. I think you're using the outcome of their careers today to make it seem like you saw it that way all along.

If you don't see the similarities in Norm and TD both in their early careers and overall skillsets as players then I don't know what you're watching. Anyways back to the draft thread.

I want rookie Jalen Harris back! The one that put Luka in the spin cycle.

[Grew]

You guys must not remember Norms first few seasons. Half this board would have given up on him after year 3. I'd say 90 percent of people here were bullish on TD after his rookie season, despite him not being a perfect player. I think you're using the outcome of their careers today to make it seem like you saw it that way all along.

If you don't see the similarities in Norm and TD both in their early careers and overall skillsets as players then I don't know what you're watching. Anyways back to the draft thread.

I want rookie Jalen Harris back! The one that put Luka in the spin cycle.

Another guy with more offensive talent than anyone on our bench we let go for off court issues

He didn't get enough burn to really see what we had there though.

Hopefully Beck Hammond likes Ronny Jr. enough for him to get some run next year.

[BoyzNTheHood]

You guys must not remember Norms first few seasons. Half this board would have given up on him after year 3. I'd say 90 percent of people here were bullish on TD after his rookie season, despite him not being a perfect player. I think you're using the outcome of their careers today to make it seem like you saw it that way all along.

If you don't see the similarities in Norm and TD both in their early careers and overall skillsets as players then I don't know what you're watching. Anyways back to the draft thread.

Feel free to go back in my post history. I really liked the Norm pick at 46, and was neither for or against TD. There weren’t many similarities, and TD isn’t in the same league as Norm.

[Grew]

You guys must not remember Norms first few seasons. Half this board would have given up on him after year 3. I'd say 90 percent of people here were bullish on TD after his rookie season, despite him not being a perfect player. I think you're using the outcome of their careers today to make it seem like you saw it that way all along.

If you don't see the similarities in Norm and TD both in their early careers and overall skillsets as players then I don't know what you're watching. Anyways back to the draft thread.

Feel free to go back in my post history. I really liked the Norm pick at 46, and was neither for or against TD. There weren’t many similarities, and TD isn’t in the same league as Norm.

Both 6'3/6'4
Slashers with a good first step
Can play above the rim
Known for boneheaded plays in early years, especially on D
Inconsistent in early years
Developing jump shooters
Flashes of PNR ability but ultimately not primary ball handlers (low assists, some bad turnovers)

Put either on the roster right now they would be the best slasher on the team.
Put either on the team right now they would be a top 3 3pt shooter on the team

Easy to say they aren't in the same league now, but it's just facts they had a lot of the same strengths and weaknesses early in their careers.

[HumbleRen]

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[Yallbecrazy]

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That's odd, those who hate Nick Smith and GG tend to also dislike Brice and Jett. Dick is on the opposite end of the spectrum.

[bboyskinnylegs]

I don't know what to think of GG. His highlights make him seem like he can end up being a go-to scorer for us, his lowlights make me wonder if he'd even get playing time.

[Mark_83]

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Higher: Coulibaly, Hendricks, Lively III, Cissoko.

Lower: GG Jackson, Nick Smith Jr., Scoot.

[Yallbecrazy]

I don't know what to think of GG. His highlights make him seem like he can end up being a go-to scorer for us, his lowlights make me wonder if he'd even get playing time.

Dude is highly unlikely to get his 3rd+4th year option picked up. Needs to hit his 95th percentile outcome to be a positive player and 99th to be a star.

[Rapsfan07]

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If all we want is someone who gets buckets and doesn't do anything else, might as well just get the tallest player who can do so in Brice.

Maybe he'll learn how to pass like Derozan in his later years..... But Derozan locked himself in the gym every summer working on his game. Haven't read anything about Brice's work ethic (or lack thereof).

But this Podziemski name keeps appearing. I'm becoming way more interested in him now than Keyonte/Nick Smith Jr

Podz is the real deal man. I really like him

[Dalek]

Man having a movement shooting is critical in the nba. I really feel like Hawkins may be the one that fits our team best, if they truly still wish to compete. He’s exactly what this team is missing

Basically anyone who’s been a good shooter that’s also good at moving off the ball has provided value to their team. The high end is Steph Curry and the low end is JJ Redick. If you come out with JJ Redick type of impact at 13, are you happy? I’d say I’d be content with it. The best thing is, even if Hawkins is 0 for his last 50 shots you still have to guard him. You can’t say that about a lot of the guys we have now. And we’ve definitely never had a guy who runs like Hawkins. His defender would use a ton of energy just chasing him around even if he doesn’t shoot.

Yeah I mean he definitely doesn’t have the highest upside, but like you said if you end up with a JJ type player at 13 you’d love that.

It’s highly possible we miss out on a superstar type player by going with Hawkins But I guess that’s the problems you have to deal with when your in the middle like the raptors.

He played on a high level team that was in the conversation as the best defensive team last season and he won a championship.

He can at least slot into Trent's role as a spacer but he will get picked on defensively because he is a skinny guy.

The biggest thing for me, after watching Steph run around screens and drop 50, I kind of expect Hawkins doing something like in the NBA, but he just doesn't have a handle. He going to take time to develop, so you are drafting a pure movement shooter, and this team rarely runs sets for specific guys.