2023 Draft Discussion Part 5

[ATLTimekeeper]

Anthony Black like a Herb Jones / Dyson Daniels type?

Those guys aren't like each other, but closer to Daniels with more speed/athleticism. He's pretty close in type to Scottie.

[HumbleRen]

Kawhi shot 29% as a sophomore. There's too many examples of bad 3 point shooters being good ones in the NBA. It's more concerning when that player can't score, or when they can score but can't do much else.

Shot 75% from the FT tho.

If you shoot under 70% from the FT, your form is busted to me.

[Dalek]

Probably my favorite player attainable player in the draft is Anthony Black. He has great defensive instincts and effort and has a strong sense of court awareness coupled with great size and . The issue is his shooting. People look at the 3P% and worry.

28-93 30.1%

He did take 93 attempts so he was not afraid to shoot. He had a lot of possession where he sits in the corner and has the three available to him and the defense sags off him. I think it led to a lot of his sneaky good cuts to the rim that led to his dunks.

In seeing this new footage and how he has been working with Steph Curry's trainer, we might have some growth from Black with the shooting. Overall, I am not concerned and would take him over guys like Cason Wallace, Keyonte, NSJ, JHS without hestitation.

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It's not just the shooting, it's also the turnovers which are very high too. He's a very good, but not elite defender and he's a little too skinny to become a top defender in the NBA as well. He's more of a guy that can switch on to 1s and 2s, but not elite 3s due to a lack of strength. That's fine and he'll be above average on defense in the NBA, but I don't see him ever becoming elite. The problem is the offense, he's quite a boom/ bust guy as if he develops a shot he can be very good, but skinny guys who get to the rim in college well don't always do so well at getting to the rim in the NBA unless they're really tall (6'9+)

Will he ever be a really good shooter? Probably not, but if he can be a decent one then he can be a positive NBA player. That's a big if though, and he also needs to clean up the turnovers too which is a bit of a red flag when it comes to prospects.

The lack of shooting and carelessness with the ball makes me think he busts completely a small to medium percent of the time. It's also not a good fit with the current roster, I see him struggling as a rookie until he can develop the offense a lot more. I don't hate him as a prospect, but there are enough red flags where I put him more in that 12-20 range on my big board and specifically for the Raptors he would be closer to 20 when it comes to fit.

I think I differ with you on the size thing. He measured well at 6'575 without shoes and 210 lbs. Dyson Daniels is about 200 lbs, Josh Giddey about 205 lbs. He could stand to be a bit more toned, but I think he is NBA ready. Of course it will hard to be to guard 3 positions, but he is a high effort guy that I think will translate to 3 positions in a year or two.

To me, why I put him high is I am a big feel guy and he is going to be a great connector for any offense. This guy makes quick fire decisions and impacts winning. He crashes boards, he makes hustle plays and just makes a lot of good plays on court. He isn't a conventional PG, but he kind of is malliable player who can play on or offball and still do good things.

Obviously he doesn't address the scoring issues we have, so I could see why you have him lower but my wish list is:

Good ball faciliation
Driving and finishing
Positional size and defense

Black is near the top for me for those reasons. I don't think we need more ISO guys, but play more like OKC who has a lot of good ball movers and switchable defenders.

[HumbleRen]

Anthony Black is more like Derrick White or Dyson Daniels. Giddey is in another stratosphere as a playmaker, he shouldn't be compared to them.

[ATLTimekeeper]

He's definitely more of a connecter than a PG, like Giddey. He doesn't play like a coward like White, though. Working with Steph's trainer? I'm back in. He's alert and physical on D in the same way that Lowry is.

[Psubs]

Anthony Black is more like Derrick White or Dyson Daniels. Giddey is in another stratosphere as a playmaker, he shouldn't be compared to them.

Is he more like a Doug Christie?

[HumbleRen]

Anthony Black is more like Derrick White or Dyson Daniels. Giddey is in another stratosphere as a playmaker, he shouldn't be compared to them.

Is he more like a Doug Christie?

Not a bad comp tbh.

[WuTang_CMB]

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Supposedly Lively has 3 pt potential, but I never saw any evidence of it. That being said, he's the only C in that 11-25 range really. So some team may reach if they want a C.

Jaylin Williams also didn't shoot 3's during the season but in workouts showed that he could in drills and shot 40% last year.

Gotta trust the drills. Al Horford didn't shoot 3's until his prime but as long as not someone like Capela.

Lively shot 2 for 13 from 3 at Duke. Who knows. Trayce Jackson-Davis is another big that didn't shoot the 3, in 4 years of college, but did well in the drill. How did Lively do?

Maybe Lively will be like Javalle McGee.

[HumbleRen]

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He's the only guy I wouldn't mind drafting out of the offensively challenged players that people are floating in this thread.

Bilal is a stud.

[WuTang_CMB]

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He's the only guy I wouldn't mind drafting out of the offensively challenged players that people are floating in this thread.

Bilal is a stud.

If the mental make up is there, that's one of my picks. We need a jolt of a talent more than ever. Need to find pieces new / Scottie's timeline.

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Anthony Black is more like Derrick White or Dyson Daniels. Giddey is in another stratosphere as a playmaker, he shouldn't be compared to them.

Is he more like a Doug Christie?

Not a bad comp tbh.

Ya, just an inch taller and bouncier, so more dunks!

I think at 1 point as a Raptor, I thought that he should be guarding the POA.

PG Christie
SG Carter
SF TMac
PF Oakley
C Willis

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He's the only guy I wouldn't mind drafting out of the offensively challenged players that people are floating in this thread.

Bilal is a stud.

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I guess that's his floor.

After watching the video of Kenny Lofton smashing Wemby around, I wonder how highschoolish is this league? When you watch highlights, there doesn't seem to be many players over 6'8. So really Coulibaly doesn't have to worry about shot-blockers and can shoot 3's over other players with ease. Move the line back, and add some rim protectors, does he play better than Mojave King? Likely more steals and blocks, maybe slightly better 3pt shooting. Does he have a better season than Cissoko in the G-League? I guess he has more potential to be Mikal Bridges.

[Psubs]

Probably my favorite player attainable player in the draft is Anthony Black. He has great defensive instincts and effort and has a strong sense of court awareness coupled with great size and . The issue is his shooting. People look at the 3P% and worry.

28-93 30.1%

He did take 93 attempts so he was not afraid to shoot. He had a lot of possession where he sits in the corner and has the three available to him and the defense sags off him. I think it led to a lot of his sneaky good cuts to the rim that led to his dunks.

In seeing this new footage and how he has been working with Steph Curry's trainer, we might have some growth from Black with the shooting. Overall, I am not concerned and would take him over guys like Cason Wallace, Keyonte, NSJ, JHS without hestitation.

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Is Black's ceiling Vince Carter? Like saying Scottie's ceiling is Chris Webber.

[HumbleRen]

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He's the only guy I wouldn't mind drafting out of the offensively challenged players that people are floating in this thread.

Bilal is a stud.

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I guess that's his floor.

Bruno looks like Giannis in this video, wtf.

[HumbleRen]

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[WuTang_CMB]

he aint falling

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[mademan]

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If we end up getting a 2nd pick in the draft. Grab this dude and get rid of dumb and dumber (Precious/Boucher) and bring in a guy who has actual BBIQ.

[BoyzNTheHood]

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He's the only guy I wouldn't mind drafting out of the offensively challenged players that people are floating in this thread.

Bilal is a stud.

Watch on YouTube

I guess that's his floor.

After watching the video of Kenny Lofton smashing Wemby around, I wonder how highschoolish is this league? When you watch highlights, there doesn't seem to be many players over 6'8. So really Coulibaly doesn't have to worry about shot-blockers and can shoot 3's over other players with ease. Move the line back, and add some rim protectors, does he play better than Mojave King? Likely more steals and blocks, maybe slightly better 3pt shooting. Does he have a better season than Cissoko in the G-League? I guess he has more potential to be Mikal Bridges.

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[mademan]

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If Anthony Black is predictably off the board, i'd be surprised to see Utah pass him up.