Pascal Siakam Trade Speculation Thread

[YogurtProducer]

No disrespect to those who are in the "resign Siakam" camp because I truly believe that everyone is entitled to their own opinions. That is the point and enjoyment that these discussions bring.

But if after all the discussion around the real implications of paying Siakam the 5 year max have been explained, plus the real life examples of other players who were paid and how that handicapped their team is not enough for people to see it, it really doesn't make any sense to continue to go back and forth about it.

There's been LIllard. There's been Beal. There's been Harris. There's been Lavine.

So if people haven't seen it yet, they aren't going to start seeing it now.

are you seriously comparing tobias harris to siakam ? beal and lavine are one dimensional players and lillard was traded the same age siakam will be the last year of a max contract.

No, not at all. Not skill-wise anyway. Although, in the course of critiquing my argument, it seems you compared Lillard to Siakam. Please do correct me if I'm wrong - I don't want to misrepresent your position.

That said, I don't think we have to discuss the vast difference in talent between Lillard and Siakam...right?

I like Dame due to his offense - but overall their talent is probably closer than you want to admit. Lillard is horrible defensively.

[Pointgod]

I hope yall are right about Jarace Walker, seems like the most possible trade is with Indy and we get him. Indy likes mithurin a lot so Walker, Nesmith and Bield is enough. Trade Gtj for a quality Center and there is your retool

I’m confident that we could get both Jarace Walker and Mathurin along with Buddy Hield as long as Masai doesn’t go crazy and ask for like 3 additional first round picks. Both Mathurin and Walker were lottery picks so maybe Indiana gives us one of their late picks this year but that’s the most sweetener I’d ask for. Pascal fits Indiana like a glove though, he’s the ideal second option to pair with a first option that can also play off ball. Hes the ideal fit in either Golden State or Indiana

What makes you confident? Pascal isn't going to re-sign in Indiana. Indiana isn't going to trade their last two lottery picks for a rental. The whole "no other team is offering their best prospect" rumours should be your first clue that what you're expecting is out of whack with reality.

Because I actually pay attention to the NBA. As well as the Pacers have been playing, they’re currently a play-in team. Has there been any talk that Siakam won’t sign in Indiana? Not only would he still make his max money, but he’d be on a much better team. Buddy Hield asked to be traded and is on his way out, Indiana’s best prospect is Tyrese Haliburton. Team’s arent offering starting quality young prospects for a Siakam rental but Mathurin is a good player coming off the bench, Walker is high potential but currently getting d-league reps and Nesmith, Nemhard, Smith, Toppin are still young guys that are solid contributors to Indiana even after the trade.

If Indiana is trying to compete for the top 6 there might not be a better fit on the block than Siakam and it seems like Masai isn’t prioritizing picks so I don’t see how a Walker, Mathurin, Hield deal is out of whack with reality.

[ishoy123]

No disrespect to those who are in the "resign Siakam" camp because I truly believe that everyone is entitled to their own opinions. That is the point and enjoyment that these discussions bring.

But if after all the discussion around the real implications of paying Siakam the 5 year max have been explained, plus the real life examples of other players who were paid and how that handicapped their team is not enough for people to see it, it really doesn't make any sense to continue to go back and forth about it.

There's been LIllard. There's been Beal. There's been Harris. There's been Lavine.

So if people haven't seen it yet, they aren't going to start seeing it now.

As you noted, no disrespect at all. One of the great things about sports is that we can argue about it.

But Lillard and Beal were unique circumstances where Portland and Washington had no negotiating leverage. Lavine similarly has very well understood flaws to his game. Siakam is a proven second fiddle on a championship team and is a pro, so he probably won't force his way to Miami for e.g.

TLDR: I think you will get a pretty good haul for Siakam even on a 5 year deal.

Agreed. It is half the fun when it comes to sports.

That said though, I don't see how Lillard and Beal's situations as detailed by you is any different from what we have now. We also have little to no negotiating leverage and Siakam has flaws to his game as well. The only difference being that Siakam played a major role in a championship team. But where Lillard is concerned, I think there's little doubt that he could play a major role in a championship team.

So I don't really see the major differences.

Beal had a no-trade clause. Lillard publicly stated he would only play for Miami, which severely restricted his trade market. Neither would be true for Siakam under a long-term deal, especially since it seems he's content to stay with Toronto.

[WaltFrazier]

Article by Grange saying GSW is reluctant to trade Kuminga, a day or two after he reported Kings won't trade Keegan.

https://www.sportsnet.ca/nba/article/trading-siakam-to-warriors-makes-some-sense-but-it-may-not-be-a-perfect-fit/

Does Grange have actual sources with other teams, or are they feeding him stuff to bring down Masai's asking price?

[Rapsfan07]

No disrespect to those who are in the "resign Siakam" camp because I truly believe that everyone is entitled to their own opinions. That is the point and enjoyment that these discussions bring.

But if after all the discussion around the real implications of paying Siakam the 5 year max have been explained, plus the real life examples of other players who were paid and how that handicapped their team is not enough for people to see it, it really doesn't make any sense to continue to go back and forth about it.

There's been LIllard. There's been Beal. There's been Harris. There's been Lavine.

So if people haven't seen it yet, they aren't going to start seeing it now.

Portland, and Washington both ended up getting significant assets in return for Lillard and Beal - talent ends up trumping everything else in the long run. Trying to figure out exactly how those two teams ended up "handicapped".

Harris just is not that good. He is massively overpaid for being an average starting caliber player. He is not where near Siakam.

A healthy Lavine is probably a good contract to. Not really a good example when he has the talent he just cant stay on the floor.

This is an interesting rebuttal because if I've understood your posts correctly, you seem to be anti-tank. Yet you cite packages of tanking teams. Mind you, I'm not arguing that those packages are objectively good (all things considered) but you'll note that none of those packages contain any kind of high quality prospect. Now, that is probably won't end up being the case long term, seeing as some of these picks won't convey for another 6 years or so but that's quite a long time. Is Masai willing to wait that long? Is it wise to wait that long when you have Scottie in the fold right now? I think not.

Lavine probably is a good contract if he stays healthy.. this is true but he wasn't particularly healthy prior to the signing of that deal and ditto afterwards. It's simply part of the risk they accepted by offering the deal in the first place.

[goinrogue]

Grange is full of crap. Reported no major trades right before OG was traded. His sources were telling him we’re drafting Suggs, etc. he’s almost never right about anything.
I think pascal still gets traded. I can’t imagine Masai is thrilled with fifth option Scottie.

[LoveMyRaps]

Article by Grange saying GSW is reluctant to trade Kuminga, a day or two after he reported Kings won't trade Keegan.

https://www.sportsnet.ca/nba/article/trading-siakam-to-warriors-makes-some-sense-but-it-may-not-be-a-perfect-fit/

Does Grange have actual sources with other teams, or are they feeding him stuff to bring down Masai's asking price?

Two credible Warriors beat writers have suggested the Warriors could move Kuminga since then.
So no, Grange does not have actual sources with other teams.
He's gotten a couple things right WITHIN the organization before, e.g., Rico leaving for Philly.

[TorontoBarneys]

Walker, Nembhard, Jackson might be my favorite combination of a "realistic" but well-rounded prospect return in exchange for Pascal.

[PhilBlackson]

I’ll gladly take Walker over Kuminga personally.

[ItsDanger]

Lavine had his knee issues and possible decline, Chicago extended him anyways to "retain the asset". Siakam has his age (turns 30 next month) and possible decline, people here want to extend him in the offseason regardless. The back end risk in the 4th or 5th years especially are often ignored. No team wants an empty calorie scorer being paid $50M at that point.

[Raptors Realtor]

Article by Grange saying GSW is reluctant to trade Kuminga, a day or two after he reported Kings won't trade Keegan.

https://www.sportsnet.ca/nba/article/trading-siakam-to-warriors-makes-some-sense-but-it-may-not-be-a-perfect-fit/

Does Grange have actual sources with other teams, or are they feeding him stuff to bring down Masai's asking price?

I find Grange to be clickbait at this point, he's wrong more than he's right, and writes/tweets a lot of hot takes to get picked up & referenced by US media just to get his name out there.

[YogurtProducer]

No disrespect to those who are in the "resign Siakam" camp because I truly believe that everyone is entitled to their own opinions. That is the point and enjoyment that these discussions bring.

But if after all the discussion around the real implications of paying Siakam the 5 year max have been explained, plus the real life examples of other players who were paid and how that handicapped their team is not enough for people to see it, it really doesn't make any sense to continue to go back and forth about it.

There's been LIllard. There's been Beal. There's been Harris. There's been Lavine.

So if people haven't seen it yet, they aren't going to start seeing it now.

Portland, and Washington both ended up getting significant assets in return for Lillard and Beal - talent ends up trumping everything else in the long run. Trying to figure out exactly how those two teams ended up "handicapped".

Harris just is not that good. He is massively overpaid for being an average starting caliber player. He is not where near Siakam.

A healthy Lavine is probably a good contract to. Not really a good example when he has the talent he just cant stay on the floor.

This is an interesting rebuttal because if I've understood your posts correctly, you seem to be anti-tank. Yet you cite packages of tanking teams. Mind you, I'm not arguing that those packages are objectively good (all things considered) but you'll note that none of those packages contain any kind of high quality prospect. Now, that is probably won't end up being the case long term, seeing as some of these picks won't convey for another 6 years or so but that's quite a long time. Is Masai willing to wait that long? Is it wise to wait that long when you have Scottie in the fold right now? I think not.

Lavine probably is a good contract if he stays healthy.. this is true but he wasn't particularly healthy prior to the signing of that deal and ditto afterwards. It's simply part of the risk they accepted by offering the deal in the first place.

What does a anti or pro-tank stance have to do with the fact that POR/WAS did not have to attach assets to get rid of Damian or Beal? It is just legitimately false to suggest they did.

You are completely moving the goalposts now as to what your initial point was.

[Bruin]

Move on from Sacramento. No deal to discuss with that joke of a franchise

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[mtcan]

Lavine had his knee issues and possible decline, Chicago extended him anyways to "retain the asset". Siakam has his age (turns 30 next month) and possible decline, people here want to extend him in the offseason regardless. The back end risk in the 4th or 5th years especially are often ignored. No team wants an empty calorie scorer being paid $50M at that point.

If he is resigned the key is to not wait to trade him. As soon as he is eligible for trade...pull the trigger.

[ArthurVandelay]

Article by Grange saying GSW is reluctant to trade Kuminga, a day or two after he reported Kings won't trade Keegan.

https://www.sportsnet.ca/nba/article/trading-siakam-to-warriors-makes-some-sense-but-it-may-not-be-a-perfect-fit/

Does Grange have actual sources with other teams, or are they feeding him stuff to bring down Masai's asking price?

Grange's sources are scouts from other teams.

[ATLTimekeeper]

Article by Grange saying GSW is reluctant to trade Kuminga, a day or two after he reported Kings won't trade Keegan.

https://www.sportsnet.ca/nba/article/trading-siakam-to-warriors-makes-some-sense-but-it-may-not-be-a-perfect-fit/

Does Grange have actual sources with other teams, or are they feeding him stuff to bring down Masai's asking price?

I find Grange to be clickbait at this point, he's wrong more than he's right, and writes/tweets a lot of hot takes to get picked up & referenced by US media just to get his name out there.

He's been doing the "sources close to those who know how Masai thinks" thing for a few years now, which has resulted in a more critical slant against the FO with some wild realgm-esque takes.

Oddshark came out 4 days ago with Dallas in the lead, followed by Memphis, followed by Atlanta/Indiana at +500, followed by Sacramento at +700 and the Warriors at like +1400. Here's what that tells me: the Raptors would like Atlanta/Indiana and Sacramento to include their best prospects and they haven't yet. Dallas and Memphis have the best proposals on the table. The Warriors aren't in the ballpark.

Masai will play this up until the Raptors rack up another losing streak and then do a call for a final offer. I'm gonna predict Memphis for role players and picks.

[Raptors_128]

Move on from Sacramento. No deal to discuss with that joke of a franchise

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Lmao if the Raptors come back?? Harrison Barnes? You can’t be serious.

[Potential]

HARRISON BARNES???????? LOOOOL WHAT

[WuTang_CMB]

Kings won't win shyt anyway.

[ArthurVandelay]

Move on from Sacramento. No deal to discuss with that joke of a franchise

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Based on this I would interpret the leaks as from Sacramento. They tried to rush Masai, maybe because they were playing them that night?, and then pulled out. Now leaking this.

Sounds like they want Siakam but don't want to give anything up for him. They've regretted the Barnes signing almost immediately and are stuck on him for another 2 seasons.

Also, they don't want to give him a max so why would he want to resign?

This is bush league stuff trying to sabotage Siakam trade value.