Official NBA General Discussion 2024-25 V1.0

[GP2]

[sidsid]

Sixers gotta see what they can get for Embiid and waive Paul George. They can add a lottery talent to their core Maxey and McCain and then use their assets from the Embiid trade. Quick rebuild after a failed era

Things can shake up fast when a situation devolves rapidly like this, but the more likely scenario is entertaining the options that open up with your non-MVP.

Always a risk to bank on a rookie (hitting the wall with endurance, being scouted), but Maxey and all the picks for a better star is something that's going to get floated at the deadline by the media. If the Giannis rumours start up if the Bucks hit another setback it'll be all over the place.

[Brinbe]

the jazz giving it to the knicks so far... the state of the east lmfao

[mdenny]

Kat was on the bench for 9 minutes. The knicks won those minutes by 20 points but lost the game by 15. That's crazy.

[Potential]

Dillon Brooks vs Shaedon Sharpe heated scuffle. Canadian on Canadian crime. Sauga vs London

[mdenny]

Wemby just dominates the 4th quarter. Blocks, assists, steals, deflections, 3s, layups...

He literally did everything that makes up a boxscore.

[causal_fan]

A tip of the cap once again to the Memphis Grizzlies organization - they are really good at identifying and developing talent -if they can get lucky with health, they should be a serious contender.

[Tripod]

Sixers gotta see what they can get for Embiid and waive Paul George. They can add a lottery talent to their core Maxey and McCain and then use their assets from the Embiid trade. Quick rebuild after a failed era

Things can shake up fast when a situation devolves rapidly like this, but the more likely scenario is entertaining the options that open up with your non-MVP.

Always a risk to bank on a rookie (hitting the wall with endurance, being scouted), but Maxey and all the picks for a better star is something that's going to get floated at the deadline by the media. If the Giannis rumours start up if the Bucks hit another setback it'll be all over the place.

Maxey won't be moved.

[djsunyc]

tyrese haliburton
35 mins 15.5 ppg 37.8 fg% 29.4 3fg%

fvv
33.9 mins 14.5 ppg 39.4 fg% 30.5 3fg%

looks like pascal downgraded!

[Wise80]

tyrese haliburton
35 mins 15.5 ppg 37.8 fg% 29.4 3fg%

fvv
33.9 mins 14.5 ppg 39.4 fg% 30.5 3fg%

looks like pascal downgraded!

What the hell happened to him? Is he still hurt? A mixture of a hot start and him coming back down to earth with a nagging injury?

[djsunyc]

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[WaltFrazier]

Boston Minnesota was a good game this afternoon but Celtics announcers are insufferable to listen to. I know Scal is likable otherwise but he and partner calling games are biased, smug, arrogant, annoying. You'd think they'd won several titles in a row rather than finally getting one last year.

[mdenny]

So with viewership down and a growing chorus complaining about 3 point attempts....it seems well within the realm of possibility that the league does something about it this summer. Personally, it's never bothered me that much in the past. But even those like me are starting to change our minds. The attempts are clearly out of hand and the entertainment product is suffering. It's bad showbiz.

So let's suppose that they alter the line to eliminate the corner 3s and they do it THIS summer. How does it impact the league and what does it mean for the raptors?

Obviously the first thing that disappears is the 5 out floor spacing offense (ie celtics). Traditional centers can't be pulled away from the basket easily anymore so their value goes way up. I think 3 and D guys are safe if somewhat devalued. Floor spacers like Gary Trent become very devalued. Size matters alot more.

So I think this would actually be a boon for the raptors. Particularly for RJ and Barnes. Poetl, being a trad center, also becomes much more valuable. Our team defense gets alot better. Our offense doesn't suffer like alot of other teams.

I think it could mean up to 7 or 8 places in the overall standings for the raptors.

I wonder if any FO's have considered this possibility and are hedging against it via prospect evaluation and contract negotiations?

[JB7]

So with viewership down and a growing chorus complaining about 3 point attempts....it seems well within the realm of possibility that the league does something about it this summer. Personally, it's never bothered me that much in the past. But even those like me are starting to change our minds. The attempts are clearly out of hand and the entertainment product is suffering. It's bad showbiz.

So let's suppose that they alter the line to eliminate the corner 3s and they do it THIS summer. How does it impact the league and what does it mean for the raptors?

Obviously the first thing that disappears is the 5 out floor spacing offense (ie celtics). Traditional centers can't be pulled away from the basket easily anymore so their value goes way up. I think 3 and D guys are safe if somewhat devalued. Floor spacers like Gary Trent become very devalued. Size matters alot more.

So I think this would actually be a boon for the raptors. Particularly for RJ and Barnes. Poetl, being a trad center, also becomes much more valuable. Our team defense gets alot better. Our offense doesn't suffer like alot of other teams.

I think it could mean up to 7 or 8 places in the overall standings for the raptors.

I wonder if any FO's have considered this possibility and are hedging against it via prospect evaluation and contract negotiations?

The best move to fix the over reliance on 3s is just to cap the number of 3's attempted (so any 3's taken after passing the cap just become 2's). Doesn't require any significant changes to the rules/floor.

And is a simple way to try and get games back to a reasonable number of attempts.

[ciueli]

So with viewership down and a growing chorus complaining about 3 point attempts....it seems well within the realm of possibility that the league does something about it this summer. Personally, it's never bothered me that much in the past. But even those like me are starting to change our minds. The attempts are clearly out of hand and the entertainment product is suffering. It's bad showbiz.

So let's suppose that they alter the line to eliminate the corner 3s and they do it THIS summer. How does it impact the league and what does it mean for the raptors?

Obviously the first thing that disappears is the 5 out floor spacing offense (ie celtics). Traditional centers can't be pulled away from the basket easily anymore so their value goes way up. I think 3 and D guys are safe if somewhat devalued. Floor spacers like Gary Trent become very devalued. Size matters alot more.

So I think this would actually be a boon for the raptors. Particularly for RJ and Barnes. Poetl, being a trad center, also becomes much more valuable. Our team defense gets alot better. Our offense doesn't suffer like alot of other teams.

I think it could mean up to 7 or 8 places in the overall standings for the raptors.

I wonder if any FO's have considered this possibility and are hedging against it via prospect evaluation and contract negotiations?

I doubt we'll see a move as big as changing the court just to reduce the number of 3 pointers teams take, they've already made at least one change to rein in the power of the 3 point shot (clamp down on the foul baiting and reduce the times they award 3 free throws on an attempted 3) and I expect them to do more in that area.

The biggest contributor to the 3 point problem right now is the number of rules they have in place that aren't called correctly that heavily favour that type of offence, all they have to do is call illegal screens used to free up 3 point shooters and reliably call 3 second defence and it changes everything, right now I don't blame teams for chucking 3s because that's what the league is incentivizing with the way they have the refs calling the game.

[Kurtz]

I think you can tackle this problem incrementally. Calling illegal screens and redrawing the line to eliminate/make harder the gimme corner 3 as a start:

[mdenny]

So with viewership down and a growing chorus complaining about 3 point attempts....it seems well within the realm of possibility that the league does something about it this summer. Personally, it's never bothered me that much in the past. But even those like me are starting to change our minds. The attempts are clearly out of hand and the entertainment product is suffering. It's bad showbiz.

So let's suppose that they alter the line to eliminate the corner 3s and they do it THIS summer. How does it impact the league and what does it mean for the raptors?

Obviously the first thing that disappears is the 5 out floor spacing offense (ie celtics). Traditional centers can't be pulled away from the basket easily anymore so their value goes way up. I think 3 and D guys are safe if somewhat devalued. Floor spacers like Gary Trent become very devalued. Size matters alot more.

So I think this would actually be a boon for the raptors. Particularly for RJ and Barnes. Poetl, being a trad center, also becomes much more valuable. Our team defense gets alot better. Our offense doesn't suffer like alot of other teams.

I think it could mean up to 7 or 8 places in the overall standings for the raptors.

I wonder if any FO's have considered this possibility and are hedging against it via prospect evaluation and contract negotiations?

The best move to fix the over reliance on 3s is just to cap the number of 3's attempted (so any 3's taken after passing the cap just become 2's). Doesn't require any significant changes to the rules/floor.

And is a simple way to try and get games back to a reasonable number of attempts.

I looked into that. Some have suggested the cap be 15 which doesn't make any sense to me because 90% of teams average less than 15 successful 3s per game. So I suppose a cap of 10 to 12 would be a viable action. Many of the ramifications would be similar to a true 3 point line arc. Traditional centers becoming more valuable. Floor spacing becoming less effective.
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Personally....I just want to see an end to 5 out offensive half court sets where everyone stands still around the perimeter. The reason why I'd personally prefer the 3 poi t line alteration is so that a team like the celtics don't spam the 5 out offense until they hit the cap. And you'd probably also see a team like the celtics 'save' their 3 point shots/5 out sets for the 4th quarter.

Changing the line will change the game for good. The
3 point line would meet the sideline approx 2 feet deeper than the FT line. And at least 2 feet of that space would be too narrow for guys to set their feet properly.

So essentially...the widest 3 point shots would be aligned with FT line.

I truly believe that in this case....changing the shape of the court is less impactful on the game than a cap. Let's not forget....the NBA is the only basketball league in the world that has it's particular 3 point line arc. In contrast....no league in the world has a cap on 3 point shots.

Point being...changing the 3 point line shape is not as disruptive to the universal game or essence of the sport.

[JB7]

So with viewership down and a growing chorus complaining about 3 point attempts....it seems well within the realm of possibility that the league does something about it this summer. Personally, it's never bothered me that much in the past. But even those like me are starting to change our minds. The attempts are clearly out of hand and the entertainment product is suffering. It's bad showbiz.

So let's suppose that they alter the line to eliminate the corner 3s and they do it THIS summer. How does it impact the league and what does it mean for the raptors?

Obviously the first thing that disappears is the 5 out floor spacing offense (ie celtics). Traditional centers can't be pulled away from the basket easily anymore so their value goes way up. I think 3 and D guys are safe if somewhat devalued. Floor spacers like Gary Trent become very devalued. Size matters alot more.

So I think this would actually be a boon for the raptors. Particularly for RJ and Barnes. Poetl, being a trad center, also becomes much more valuable. Our team defense gets alot better. Our offense doesn't suffer like alot of other teams.

I think it could mean up to 7 or 8 places in the overall standings for the raptors.

I wonder if any FO's have considered this possibility and are hedging against it via prospect evaluation and contract negotiations?

The best move to fix the over reliance on 3s is just to cap the number of 3's attempted (so any 3's taken after passing the cap just become 2's). Doesn't require any significant changes to the rules/floor.

And is a simple way to try and get games back to a reasonable number of attempts.

I looked into that. Some have suggested the cap be 15 which doesn't make any sense to me because 90% of teams average less than 15 successful 3s per game. So I suppose a cap of 10 to 12 would be a viable action. Many of the ramifications would be similar to a true 3 point line arc. Traditional centers becoming more valuable. Floor spacing becoming less effective.
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Personally....I just want to see an end to 5 out offensive half court sets where everyone stands still around the perimeter. The reason why I'd personally prefer the 3 poi t line alteration is so that a team like the celtics don't spam the 5 out offense until they hit the cap. And you'd probably also see a team like the celtics 'save' their 3 point shots/5 out sets for the 4th quarter.

Changing the line will change the game for good. The
3 point line would meet the sideline approx 2 feet deeper than the FT line. And at least 2 feet of that space would be too narrow for guys to set their feet properly.

So essentially...the widest 3 point shots would be aligned with FT line.

I truly believe that in this case....changing the shape of the court is less impactful on the game than a cap. Let's not forget....the NBA is the only basketball league in the world that has it's particular 3 point line arc. In contrast....no league in the world has a cap on 3 point shots.

Point being...changing the 3 point line shape is not as disruptive to the universal game or essence of the sport.

But teams could still adjust to the changed 3pt line. As players adjust, and are better able to hit those shots at a decent clip, you run back into the same problem.

I'm even fine with a cap of 30 attempts per game (and it is attempts, not makes). Just trying to avoid the situation where teams are taking as many 3's as they can get up, without limiting a star like Curry being able to do his thing.

[mdenny]

I think you can tackle this problem incrementally. Calling illegal screens and redrawing the line to eliminate/make harder the gimme corner 3 as a start:

That chart is hilariously NOT to scale and eliminating the corner 3 would completely change the way the modern game is played. It would have huge ramifications on draft picks, contracts and rosters. Also...just the way the game is consumed by viewers. No more players just standing still in both corners is a much bigger change than some might think.

[mdenny]

The best move to fix the over reliance on 3s is just to cap the number of 3's attempted (so any 3's taken after passing the cap just become 2's). Doesn't require any significant changes to the rules/floor.

And is a simple way to try and get games back to a reasonable number of attempts.

I looked into that. Some have suggested the cap be 15 which doesn't make any sense to me because 90% of teams average less than 15 successful 3s per game. So I suppose a cap of 10 to 12 would be a viable action. Many of the ramifications would be similar to a true 3 point line arc. Traditional centers becoming more valuable. Floor spacing becoming less effective.
.
Personally....I just want to see an end to 5 out offensive half court sets where everyone stands still around the perimeter. The reason why I'd personally prefer the 3 poi t line alteration is so that a team like the celtics don't spam the 5 out offense until they hit the cap. And you'd probably also see a team like the celtics 'save' their 3 point shots/5 out sets for the 4th quarter.

Changing the line will change the game for good. The
3 point line would meet the sideline approx 2 feet deeper than the FT line. And at least 2 feet of that space would be too narrow for guys to set their feet properly.

So essentially...the widest 3 point shots would be aligned with FT line.

I truly believe that in this case....changing the shape of the court is less impactful on the game than a cap. Let's not forget....the NBA is the only basketball league in the world that has it's particular 3 point line arc. In contrast....no league in the world has a cap on 3 point shots.

Point being...changing the 3 point line shape is not as disruptive to the universal game or essence of the sport.

But teams could still adjust to the changed 3pt line. As players adjust, and are better able to hit those shots at a decent clip, you run back into the same problem.

I'm even fine with a cap of 30 attempts per game (and it is attempts, not makes). Just trying to avoid the situation where teams are taking as many 3's as they can get up, without limiting a star like Curry being able to do his thing.

Nope. By keeping the 3 point arc true....you'd be eliminating approx 20 to 25 feet from the perimeter.

Could a team play 5 out on a true arc? Sure. They could try. But it would never work. They would be way too bunched up. The center defender could drop back and perimeter defenders would only have to shift 5 feet on either side to contest unmarked shooters. For NBA players that is a single stride left or right.

Ppl mistake the corner 3s as a problem because they are thinking the shot is easier because it is shorter.

That's not the problem. The problem is what the corner 3s allow in terms of positioning for half court sets.

Another way of thinking about it....if they made the court 5 feet wider AND all 3 pointers were the same distance (the arc was true)...the same problem would persist. The Celtics would continue to play the 5 out set.

The problem isn't that corner 3s are too easy to shoot. The problem is that corner 3s enable a certain offensive positioning that take all the defenders away from the basket.

To be more clear....a 5 out set with a true arc.....the two guys who currently play deep in both corners have to retreat back level to the free throw line. So instead of 5 guys standing in a halved circle.....it's 5 guys standing in quartered circle. They'd be 8 feet apart instead of 16 feet apart. (I don't know the exact perimeter distance of the 3 point line)