PG & GT #6 - Raptors (1-4) @ Calves (3-2) - October 31st, 2025 - 7:30PM EDT - TSN/1050AM

[PushDaRock]

How about we see a system where Gradey is actually used properly on offense before calling for him to be traded?

How would you use him properly? Who should he be getting offensive touches in front of that he isn't already?

IQ.

Nothing in the data or eye test supports that IMO

[bballsparkin]

Maybe? I don’t think Dick is overly valuable himself. Bad fit and about to be out of the rotation

He's got lots of upside, but a cheap contract. We want more of those, not less.

What’s his upside?

His defence is horrid. His upside is limited at what? RJ Barrett at an absolute best case scenario with a more likely result being a deep bench option?

He just got thoroughly outplayed by Jamison Battle.

How would have 22 year old Battle fared versus Gradey. Rather than 24 year old one? There's like a two and a half years age difference. I doubt Gradey fetches much on the market. And I doubt he would have fetched much last year either.

[Harcore Fenton Mun]

If Grady was getting the getting the same minutes as last year, he'd be putting up 16ppg. That beats a lot of guys.

[PushDaRock]

Every combination of the 4 or 5 man lineup of the starters is a negative 20 or worse.

They just don’t work together.

Let's wait till Jak is healthy before deciding

Don’t think it’ll matter.

Yak, Scottie, IQ and RJ were a negative 4 man line up last year as well and the year before that. I don’t think Ingram is single handily changing it to an overwhelming positive net rating.

Jak, RJ, IQ and Scottie were at +10.8 NRTG in 234 mins played in 23/24 and -11.2 NRTG over 140 mins played in 24/25. That's still a net positive over the 2 seasons.

It hasn't looked good this year, but they still haven't played together enough for it to be definitive.

[HumbleRen]

Let's wait till Jak is healthy before deciding

Don’t think it’ll matter.

Yak, Scottie, IQ and RJ were a negative 4 man line up last year as well and the year before that. I don’t think Ingram is single handily changing it to an overwhelming positive net rating.

Jak, RJ, IQ and Scottie were at +10.8 NRTG in 234 mins played in 23/24 and -11.2 NRTG over 140 mins played in 24/25. That's still a net positive over the 2 seasons.

It hasn't looked good this year, but they still haven't played together enough for it to be definitive.

How many of those minutes was tied to Siakam for that month?

[Chpwags]

The problem with Dick is he is not good enough to be a featured guy over all the other players (Ingram, Barret and Barnes) we have and Battle fits better as a situational floor spacer. He has more depth to his offensive game then Battle but he is also more of a rhythm player that is not good enough to feed shots too to get him going. He just doesn't fit with team when you have Agbaji, Walter, Battle and even Lawson who can give you 10-20 minutes with better defense. With the glaring need for a backup center it makes no sense to have 7 players who are 2/3's.

[PushDaRock]

Don’t think it’ll matter.

Yak, Scottie, IQ and RJ were a negative 4 man line up last year as well and the year before that. I don’t think Ingram is single handily changing it to an overwhelming positive net rating.

Jak, RJ, IQ and Scottie were at +10.8 NRTG in 234 mins played in 23/24 and -11.2 NRTG over 140 mins played in 24/25. That's still a net positive over the 2 seasons.

It hasn't looked good this year, but they still haven't played together enough for it to be definitive.

How many of those minutes was tied to Siakam for that month?

53 mins at a +6.7 NRTG, so it was actually higher without him that year as a 4 man lineup.

[PushDaRock]

The problem with Dick is he is not good enough to be a featured guy over all the other players (Ingram, Barret and Barnes) we have and Battle fits better as a situational floor spacer. He has more depth to his offensive game then Battle but he is also more of a rhythm player that is not good enough to feed shots too to get him going. He just doesn't fit with team when you have Agbaji, Walter, Battle and even Lawson who can give you 10-20 minutes with better defense. With the glaring need for a backup center it makes no sense to have 7 players who are 2/3's.

Fully healthy, I would agree that it's hard to find his current fit. But, it's pretty much a given that Ingram or RJ will get hurt at some point and that's when you might need some of the movement shooting and scoring that Gradey can potentially give you.

[Harcore Fenton Mun]

The problem with Dick is he is not good enough to be a featured guy over all the other players (Ingram, Barret and Barnes) we have and Battle fits better as a situational floor spacer. He has more depth to his offensive game then Battle but he is also more of a rhythm player that is not good enough to feed shots too to get him going. He just doesn't fit with team when you have Agbaji, Walter, Battle and even Lawson who can give you 10-20 minutes with better defense. With the glaring need for a backup center it makes no sense to have 7 players who are 2/3's.

Fully healthy, I would agree that it's hard to find his current fit. But, it's pretty much a given that Ingram or RJ will get hurt at some point and that's when you might need some of the movement shooting and scoring that Gradey can potentially give you.

Both him and Battle could be top five. They both can shoot.

[Reeko]

How would you use him properly? Who should he be getting offensive touches in front of that he isn't already?

IQ.

Nothing in the data or eye test supports that IMO

Of course nothing in the data supports that, Gradey is getting 6 fga per game. He's getting less shots this season than he did his rookie season.

If they gave him a proper role within the offense for a string of 20-30 games and he failed after showing what he could/couldn't do, then I could get behind trading him. But so far what you have is him getting limited touches, less than his rookie year, on offense and then having him play this insanely terrible defensive scheme that does not fit the team personnel at all.

I just don't see how anyone, and especially the FO, can look at what Darko is running out there and think that he is optimizing the talent on this team.

[Tofubeque]

Dick brings something to the offense with his constant movement, but what this team desperately needs is defense.

Battle is not only the better shotmaker but I think he’s also better on that end. Knows his limits, physically stronger, gets hunted less. Had a nice block on Proctor today. I don’t think the Raptors should be political with Dick when he’s not THAT much younger than other options, sometimes a guy just can’t defend.

[Harcore Fenton Mun]

You're never going to win a chip with this big three playing defense.

[PushDaRock]

IQ.

Nothing in the data or eye test supports that IMO

Of course nothing in the data supports that, Gradey is getting 6 fga per game. He's getting less shots this season than he did his rookie season.

If they gave him a proper role within the offense for a string of 20-30 games and he failed after showing what he could/couldn't do, then I could get behind trading him. But so far what you have is him getting limited touches, less than his rookie year, on offense and then having him play this insanely terrible defensive scheme that does not fit the team personnel at all.

I just don't see how anyone, and especially the FO, can look at what Darko is running out there and think that he is optimizing the talent on this team.

Again, what is a "proper" role for him? How many minutes should he be playing and over who?

What has he done in his career that warrants taking shots over IQ?

[Harcore Fenton Mun]

With the same playing time, Dick's winning that race.

[Appostis]

Dick brings something to the offense with his constant movement, but what this team desperately needs is defense.

Battle is not only the better shotmaker but I think he’s also better on that end. Knows his limits, physically stronger, gets hunted less. Had a nice block on Proctor today. I don’t think the Raptors should be political with Dick when he’s not THAT much younger than other options, sometimes a guy just can’t defend.

3 years older might and something to do with the strength.

Shooting aside...Dicks the better player. Battle is definitely the better shooter ATM..the rest? You're reaching.

Let's bet honest here, the difference is one guy being on the scouting report and one guy who isn't.

[ItsDanger]

Missing on Cavs: Mitchell, Garland, Allen, Strus.

Guess you can take some comfort that they beat a severely undermanned team. A loss would have been alarming. Don't like the roster mix and seems hard to fix.

[Boogie!]

Finally Darko smartens up and realizes dick has no place in this rotation. The obsession with trying to make it work with this guy at all costs makes no sense. He’s so meh I have no idea what people see him. Battle just proves why having a guy that can make open 3s is so much more valuable and how easy it is to fill that void. That’s all dick is supposed to do and he can’t and he so sucks at defense. Surprising win, hopefully battle takes all of dicks minutes.

[Boogie!]

Dick brings something to the offense with his constant movement, but what this team desperately needs is defense.

Battle is not only the better shotmaker but I think he’s also better on that end. Knows his limits, physically stronger, gets hunted less. Had a nice block on Proctor today. I don’t think the Raptors should be political with Dick when he’s not THAT much younger than other options, sometimes a guy just can’t defend.

3 years older might and something to do with the strength.

Shooting aside...Dicks the better player. Battle is definitely the better shooter ATM..the rest? You're reaching.

Let's bet honest here, the difference is one guy being on the scouting report and one guy who isn't.

What thx duck do ppl see in this man? I swear man dick is another one of these players that if he was on another team you guys would be the first to call him absolute trash. Running around doing nothing **** isn’t productive. You guys are so obsessed with theoretical spacing and movement.

[Appostis]

Dick brings something to the offense with his constant movement, but what this team desperately needs is defense.

Battle is not only the better shotmaker but I think he’s also better on that end. Knows his limits, physically stronger, gets hunted less. Had a nice block on Proctor today. I don’t think the Raptors should be political with Dick when he’s not THAT much younger than other options, sometimes a guy just can’t defend.

3 years older might and something to do with the strength.

Shooting aside...Dicks the better player. Battle is definitely the better shooter ATM..the rest? You're reaching.

Let's bet honest here, the difference is one guy being on the scouting report and one guy who isn't.

What thx duck do ppl see in this man? I swear man dick is another one of these players that if he was on another team you guys would be the first to call him absolute trash. Running around doing nothing **** isn’t productive. You guys are so obsessed with theoretical spacing and movement.

No he's one of those guys you'd be creaming your pants over saying the Raptors dropped the ball not drafting..

[LoveMyRaps]

Just watched the game.

I'll take it.

A win is a win. Need this team to build some confidence. A win certainly helps.