State of the Union. Team Canada Basketball. (FIBA Americas Aug.31-Sep.15)

Kabookalu · Post #3901 » by **Kabookalu** » Mon Sep 14, 2015 9:25 am

IlMagonellaMela wrote:C'mon!!
He miss AT LEAST 3 boxout against Scola's jumpshots
And this is inexcusable

I saw those, and I'm not excusing him for it, though that's different from what I was getting at.

IlMagonellaMela · Post #3902 » by **IlMagonellaMela** » Mon Sep 14, 2015 9:43 am

Choker wrote:
IlMagonellaMela wrote:C'mon!!
He miss AT LEAST 3 boxout against Scola's jumpshots
And this is inexcusable

I saw those, and I'm not excusing him for it, though that's different from what I was getting at.

The problem (i think) is another
You guys (canadian fans) many expectations because uou are looking NBA and NBA's numbers
Oh, That guy is scoring 18 PPG in NBA ! He must be talented!
Not exactly, because actually NBA is a circus.
I've seen more better basketball games in Eurobasket this year (and i've not seen the QF at the moment) than in last PO
Because basketball isn't only a jump or run or shot competition, basketball is more
Secondary, Canada lack a basketball coach.
Rautins wasn't and Triano isn't (i remember when he was head coach in Toronto, terrible).
You can't play basketball without a coach, absolutely

Canada had a great chance against a ridiculous team but they lose.
Cause coaching? 80% for sure

Kabookalu · Post #3903 » by **Kabookalu** » Mon Sep 14, 2015 9:47 am

IlMagonellaMela wrote:The problem (i think) is another
You guys (canadian fans) many expectations because uou are looking NBA and NBA's numbers
Oh, That guy is scoring 18 PPG in NBA ! He must be talented!
Not exactly, because actually NBA is a circus.
I've seen more better basketball games in Eurobasket this year (and i've not seen the QF at the moment) than in last PO
Because basketball isn't only a jump or run or shot competition, basketball is more
Secondary, Canada lack a basketball coach.
Rautins wasn't and Triano isn't (i remember when he was head coach in Toronto, terrible).
You can't play basketball without a coach, absolutely

Canada had a great chance against a ridiculous team but they lose.
Cause coaching? 80% for sure

Dude, I don't know where this senseless rant came from, we were talking about Kelly Olynyk here. I'm not even Canadian. I don't even care about the Canadian team, just some of the players on it, though I could care less about Olynyk; I just made a remark about him. Also his NBA stats are mediocre.

Most of the time he's decent at boxing out, so although letting Scola grab the ball on several occasions is inexcusable, he can get a pass if he doesn't let something like that happen again.

IlMagonellaMela · Post #3904 » by **IlMagonellaMela** » Mon Sep 14, 2015 10:02 am

Choker wrote:
Dude, I don't know where this senseless rant came from, we were talking about Kelly Olynyk here. I'm not even Canadian. I don't even care about the Canadian team,

Oopsssss
Sorry

just some of the players on it, though I could care less about Olynyk; I just made a remark about him. Also his NBA stats are mediocre.

Most of the time he's decent at boxing out, so although letting Scola grab the ball on several occasions is inexcusable, he can get a pass if he doesn't let something like that happen again.

So, we 're talking about Olynik's perspective in NBA or FIBA's game?
In the first option he can be effective (good passing skills)
In the second option..
Uhmm, bad defense against C and too slow for a PF

Kabookalu · Post #3905 » by **Kabookalu** » Mon Sep 14, 2015 10:10 am

IlMagonellaMela wrote:So, we 're talking about Olynik's perspective in NBA or FIBA's game?
In the first option he can be effective (good passing skills)
In the second option..
Uhmm, bad defense against C and too slow for a PF

A little bit of both. I just think that his entire game is marred by his poor athleticism, lack of arm length, and lack of strength. By all means he shouldn't have been drafted by an NBA team. With his physical tools he'd have a hard time surviving in the top european leagues too. Though it's his combination of skills and basketball smarts that make him relevant. As far as his skills and IQ goes, it's really high.

I'm not saying that he's a good defender, but that if he even had average athleticism and longer arms he'd be decent at the very least. He knows where to be, he knows what to do, it's just that his body can't fulfill what he potentially can do as a defensive anchor. He's 7ft but his wingspan is shorter than he is, and that puts him at a great disadvantage when it comes to challenging shots. And it's like you said, doesn't have the length/strength to defend centers, and neither the speed to defend power forwards, so he's kind of stuck.

I'm just openly thinking it kind of sucks some of these players would be so much better if they were just a little bit more physically gifted. Kelly Olynyk in Javale McGee's body would be a beast.

mojo13 · Post #3906 » by **mojo13** » Mon Sep 14, 2015 4:39 pm

In my opinion we need really only fear a few European teams. Serbia, France, Greece and Spain are the only ones that would make me nervous if they are in our mini-tournament next year. I am confident two of those teams will qualify via Eurobasket (Serbia and France is I had to bet). Spain is fading and this Eurobasket team seems very flawed. But if they rally their top talent they are still quite formidable.

Croatia is just so weak at the PG position it cripples the entire team. But like Canada, they have great young talent and they should be on the up swing.
Lithuania seems no where at the same level of past versions (but admittedly are missing some key pieces) - the talent on this current team doesnt scare me. But the Lithuianian basketball spirit always does.
Italy is overly reliant on Galinari and Belinelli. Galinari is so injury prone and unreliable to show up to international competition, I'd guess the odds of him playing next year are less than 50/50. Their defense is horrible as well.
Russia is a mess at the federation level and obviously that has translated to the team. Yes, they will eventually recover from the infighting but by next July? I am not so sure.
Turkey could be very threatening, especially if they host a mini-tournament. They are so hot and cold, you never know what you will get. They have allot of politics and corruption as well that always hampers them. Research why Enes Kanter is not playing for them.

Lativia, Czech Republic, Georgia, Israel I think are all teams Canada should be favored over. But as we know, there would be no easy games.

Also - I doesn't think any other team out there will improve as much as Canada over the next 10 months. Our guys are so young and in many cases will get much, much better. You often see tremendous improvement from NBA players in their second NBA season. I expect big growth from Wiggins, Stauskas, Powell and maybe even Bennett (as his rookie season was a write off).

Now if we only had world class coaching....

I am not sure if I agree with our Italian friend that Europe will host two tournaments. I still see two going to Asia/Africa/Americas. If China fails to qualify they are always a likely candidate. Canada has already declared it is interested in hosting a tournament. We should check with the Dominican Republic and see if they are interested in contributing to the fee. Cripes our boys should be embarrassed enough for this loss that they should pass the hat and contribute to the hosting fee. Nash and Triano too!
(Frankly, I bet in some way they already do).

Mad Prophet · Post #3907 » by **Mad Prophet** » Mon Sep 14, 2015 4:48 pm

IlMagonellaMela wrote:
1) Slovenia organizing the pre-olympic?
Sabonis told this cost about 1.7 million
I ha ve some doubt

2)
slovenia was horrible last year. Do you remember the game against Lithuania?
4 (FOUR !!!) points in last 12 min.
And lithuania didn't care about the W !!
Horrible in 2014, pathetic in 2015.
They have no hopes , no olympic games, in no way, with or without Dragic

You have a serious problem understanding the English language. I never stated Slovenia would be hosting a qualifying tournament, or even attempt to. I was proving you were wrong about wildcard teams.

IlMagonellaMela wrote:
Mad Prophet wrote:
Patman wrote:
If the Dragic's are playing, they will still be tough to beat. Goran can destroy us by himself.

But up front they're weak. Lorbek is gone. When Slokar is a starter, you're in trouble.

When a canadian coach is on your bench you're in trouble

Where do I say that Slovenia was a good team? You don't even know what you're arguing about. :crazy:

That last remark shows you're nothing but a troll, so I won't waste any more time with you.

Post #3908 » by **Patman** » Mon Sep 14, 2015 4:55 pm

Euro-basket QFs:

Tuesday 9/15
Spain v Greece @ 12:30PM EST
France v Latvia @ 3PM EST

Wednesday 9/16
Serbia v Czech @ 12:30PM EST
Italy v Lithuania @ 3PM EST

We should be cheering for Spain, France, Serbia, and Lithuania (not b/c of JV).

If any of these 4 teams lose, they will be very hard to beat next year. They are tough teams as is, and could bring even better ones next year.

Lithuania can add D-Mo.
Serbia always has a deep pool of players they can choose from, almost all of whom have played under the FIBA rules/style.
France can add Ajinca, Noah, Seraphin.
Spain can add Marc, Rubio, Jose, Ibaka (in place of Mirotic).

mojo13 · Post #3909 » by **mojo13** » Mon Sep 14, 2015 5:04 pm

Patman wrote:Lithuania will be tough to beat next year if they add D-Mo to this current team.

I don't disagree and don't mean to make light of Lithuania. It just this current team doesn't seem too impressive.
They do have a history of turning it on when it matters.

Perhaps we may be able to add someone like TT to counter D-Mo. I'd really like to see KO and TT together on the floor.

IlMagonellaMela · Post #3910 » by **IlMagonellaMela** » Mon Sep 14, 2015 5:08 pm

Mad Prophet wrote:
You have a serious problem understanding the English language. I never stated Slovenia would be hosting a qualifying tournament, or even attempt to. I was proving you were wrong about wildcard teams.

I know the wildcard system
And no wildcards for Olympic
Never stated about "wildcard for Rio"

IlMagonellaMela wrote:
When a canadian coach is on your bench you're in trouble

Where do I say that Slovenia was a good team? You don't even know what you're arguing about.
That last remark shows you're nothing but a troll, so I won't waste any more time with you.

I was just joking about Canada

IlMagonellaMela · Post #3911 » by **IlMagonellaMela** » Mon Sep 14, 2015 5:10 pm

mojo13 wrote:In my opinion we need really only fear a few European teams. Serbia, France, Greece and Spain are the only ones that would make me nervous if they are in our mini-tournament next year. .

Canada just lose with Argentina and Venezuela, won on the last shot with Mexico
And you're nervous ONLY with 4 euro teams

This is like "well, we lose with Minnie, Denver and NY. But we won against Phillie with a buzzer. Spurs, Warriors and Cavs are the only that would make me nervouis next year"

mojo13 wrote:Italy is overly reliant on Galinari and Belinelli. Galinari is so injury prone and unreliable to show up to international competition, I'd guess the odds of him playing next year are less than 50/50. Their defense is horrible as well.

You didn't see a single game

VinBaker6 · Post #3912 » by **VinBaker6** » Mon Sep 14, 2015 5:38 pm

Choker wrote:
IlMagonellaMela wrote:The problem (i think) is another
You guys (canadian fans) many expectations because uou are looking NBA and NBA's numbers
Oh, That guy is scoring 18 PPG in NBA ! He must be talented!
Not exactly, because actually NBA is a circus.
I've seen more better basketball games in Eurobasket this year (and i've not seen the QF at the moment) than in last PO
Because basketball isn't only a jump or run or shot competition, basketball is more
Secondary, Canada lack a basketball coach.
Rautins wasn't and Triano isn't (i remember when he was head coach in Toronto, terrible).
You can't play basketball without a coach, absolutely

Canada had a great chance against a ridiculous team but they lose.
Cause coaching? 80% for sure

Dude, I don't know where this senseless rant came from, we were talking about Kelly Olynyk here. I'm not even Canadian. I don't even care about the Canadian team, just some of the players on it, though I could care less about Olynyk; I just made a remark about him. Also his NBA stats are mediocre.

Most of the time he's decent at boxing out, so although letting Scola grab the ball on several occasions is inexcusable, he can get a pass if he doesn't let something like that happen again.

Lol I thought you were Canadian but moved to Cali.

I'm Canadian but could care less about the National team :dontknow:

Olynyk was always soft. I played against him in highschool and got two AND1's on him in the same game. Highlight of my illustrious career 8-)

Post #3913 » by **Dirk** » Mon Sep 14, 2015 5:45 pm

VinBaker6 wrote:
Choker wrote:
IlMagonellaMela wrote:The problem (i think) is another
You guys (canadian fans) many expectations because uou are looking NBA and NBA's numbers
Oh, That guy is scoring 18 PPG in NBA ! He must be talented!
Not exactly, because actually NBA is a circus.
I've seen more better basketball games in Eurobasket this year (and i've not seen the QF at the moment) than in last PO
Because basketball isn't only a jump or run or shot competition, basketball is more
Secondary, Canada lack a basketball coach.
Rautins wasn't and Triano isn't (i remember when he was head coach in Toronto, terrible).
You can't play basketball without a coach, absolutely

Canada had a great chance against a ridiculous team but they lose.
Cause coaching? 80% for sure

Dude, I don't know where this senseless rant came from, we were talking about Kelly Olynyk here. I'm not even Canadian. I don't even care about the Canadian team, just some of the players on it, though I could care less about Olynyk; I just made a remark about him. Also his NBA stats are mediocre.

Most of the time he's decent at boxing out, so although letting Scola grab the ball on several occasions is inexcusable, he can get a pass if he doesn't let something like that happen again.

Lol I thought you were Canadian but moved to Cali.

I'm Canadian but could care less about the National team

Olynyk was always soft. I played against him in highschool and got two AND1's on him in the same game. Highlight of my illustrious career

Too bad Nike confiscated the tapes of that game.

VinBaker6 · Post #3914 » by **VinBaker6** » Mon Sep 14, 2015 8:35 pm

Dirk Nowitzki wrote:
VinBaker6 wrote:
Choker wrote:
Dude, I don't know where this senseless rant came from, we were talking about Kelly Olynyk here. I'm not even Canadian. I don't even care about the Canadian team, just some of the players on it, though I could care less about Olynyk; I just made a remark about him. Also his NBA stats are mediocre.

Most of the time he's decent at boxing out, so although letting Scola grab the ball on several occasions is inexcusable, he can get a pass if he doesn't let something like that happen again.

Lol I thought you were Canadian but moved to Cali.

I'm Canadian but could care less about the National team

Olynyk was always soft. I played against him in highschool and got two AND1's on him in the same game. Highlight of my illustrious career

Too bad Nike confiscated the tapes of that game.

It's a good thing, he destroyed me lol

Post #3915 » by **Undefeated** » Mon Sep 14, 2015 8:57 pm

VinBaker6 wrote:It's a good thing, he destroyed me lol

How many points you dropped that game lol?

Yo fam I think you and I said this before, but we need to link up and hoop. Sounds like you can ball.

Mr.Raptorsingh · Post #3916 » by **Mr.Raptorsingh** » Mon Sep 14, 2015 9:28 pm

Undefeated wrote:
VinBaker6 wrote:It's a good thing, he destroyed me lol

How many points you dropped that game lol?

Yo fam I think you and I said this before, but we need to link up and hoop. Sounds like you can ball.

Word to Big Bird, all we need is a ball and a court.

Banks2Pierce · Post #3917 » by **Banks2Pierce** » Mon Sep 14, 2015 10:00 pm

IlMagonellaMela wrote:I've seen Olynik against scola
Embarassing, the worst defender i've seen in last years
Compared to him, Amar'e is Bill Russell

Was Olynyk's first game back from an injury and he didn't look right. He has defended Scola well in the NBA so it is reasonable to assume that the timing of the game was fluky. He's not a good defender, but he is better than everyone assumes. You're calling others out for not watching games and it seems that you are guilty of the same offense.

VinBaker6 · Post #3918 » by **VinBaker6** » Tue Sep 15, 2015 12:54 am

Undefeated wrote:
VinBaker6 wrote:It's a good thing, he destroyed me lol

How many points you dropped that game lol?

Yo fam I think you and I said this before, but we need to link up and hoop. Sounds like you can ball.

Bruh! I don't live in TO though :banghead:

I'll probably be there this Dec though I'll hit you with a pm. I'm not as good I used to be in high school but I'm still pretty solid. Paul Pierce game lol.

I had a solid game, like 20 pts. We got killed tho lool

Clutch Carter · Post #3919 » by **Clutch Carter** » Tue Sep 15, 2015 2:14 am

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mojo13 · Post #3920 » by **mojo13** » Fri Sep 18, 2015 9:40 pm

So Serbia chokes against Lithuania and France collapses at home to the aged Spanish team (Pau!). Most of the important teams in the three Olympic Qualifiers are now set.

Greece
Italy
Czech Rep
Serbia
France

Canada
PR
Mexico

NZ

Angola
Tunisia
Senegal

Team 2 FIBA Asia
Team 3 FIBA Asia
Team 4 FIBA Asia

Plus three others depending on who hosts of the tournaments.

No idea yet if they will stack pools with Asia/America/Oceania/Africa teams in one pool and Euro teams concentrated in another or if they will spread out the placements of teams by geography or ranking.

Obviously it is the Euro teams that are the threats. I dont know much about the Czechs and you never know what you are going to get with Italy - so it could come down to just hoping to avoid France, Greece or Serbia. But chances are solid we get one of them.

The other wild card is there could be some solid teams from the hosting nations (ie Turkey, Russia etc). However they say priority will be given to the qualifier teams to host (which would then drag the next highest finishing team from their zone in - for example, if Canada hosts, then DR gets in, if France hosts then Latvia gets in.). Hopefully yhe qualified teams host so we avoid bringing Russia, Turkey, Germany etc into the competition.

Also hoping FIBA does something dumb and dumps the Asia/America/Oceania/African teams mostly into one pool and we avoid the big three (France/Serbia/Greece). I still think we can beat (and likely be favored against) any other team than those three.