Houston readying full-court press for Bosh

[boogydown]

Of course, if they do get Bosh while keeping it's core, they will have close to 65 million spent on their starters alone. With a set salary cap possibly coming up, the odds of them being able to retain Aaron Brooks and Yao Ming in 2011 seem unlikely.

They won't need to retain Yao as he'll be retired.

Why in the world would Yao retire?

[J Dilla]

If Bosh is going to Houston, I want nothing less than

Scola
Martin
Brooks

[Raps in 4]

Houston isn't trading Ariza or Brooks, doesn't make sense and not sure I'd want them in TO

Hill, 1st(s) maybe budinger makes sense but thats not a great package but maybe in S&T scenario its realistic

Houston could still add value though by taking on Jose or Turk and then this trade would start to look much better

Houston can't sign Bosh outright in a S&T so they should realistically be offering more than most teams.

[whoknows]

and if Yao was injured again, the 6-10 Bosh would give them the low-post presence they don't have.

don't know about that...

[ATLTimekeeper]

I'd love to see the look on their faces if Donny Walsh pulled up with LeBron.

Anyway, these articles are good for the Raptors. Houston's made it clear they're willing to pay, now Chicago and Miami know the score.

If I'm the Raptors, I wouldn't touch a Houston package until I see what New York does.

Why would you wait? What is NYK going to give us in a sign and trade if Bosh goes there? They don't have a draft pick in June, they swap down with Houston in 2011, Houston has their 2012 pick. They claim Gallo is untouchable. That leaves Wilson Chandler and the guy nobody here really wants, David Lee, who is going to be subject to a bidding war.

If I'm BC and Bosh isn't returning, I'm going to urge Chris to take the best Western Conference deal as fast as he can.

So the premise would be to hurry and take the first offer because New York might offer less? We haven't panicked all up to this point, why would we panick now? Bosh will still be the #1 PF target on the market, and there will still be buyers with and without cap space long after LeBron, Amare, Wade have found homes. The best part of Houston's deal is the NY picks, but they have a strong risk of being worthless (in a manner of days). If New York signs LeBron and Amare, then you might want to ask a little more from Houston.

[killerbs]

Of course, if they do get Bosh while keeping it's core, they will have close to 65 million spent on their starters alone. With a set salary cap possibly coming up, the odds of them being able to retain Aaron Brooks and Yao Ming in 2011 seem unlikely.

Doesnt brook make like 1.5mill?

[RapsGM]

I'd rather unload Turk with Bosh then get a super good return package. Getting rid of Hedo is great in itself.

[Champipple]

Don't forget that a third team could be looped in that would take Ariza with their traded player going to the Raptors.

[douggood]

Houston isn't trading Ariza or Brooks, doesn't make sense and not sure I'd want them in TO

Hill, 1st(s) maybe budinger makes sense but thats not a great package but maybe in S&T scenario its realistic

Houston could still add value though by taking on Jose or Turk and then this trade would start to look much better

salaries have to match, and houston doesnt have many balast salaries besides jefferies. by process of elimnation (yao, kevin martin, battier, brooks, likely scola) to meet the 15 mil threshold to match bosh, i would rather get ariza vs hayes, books, min salary player.

[pspot]

Houston isn't trading Ariza or Brooks, doesn't make sense and not sure I'd want them in TO

Hill, 1st(s) maybe budinger makes sense but thats not a great package but maybe in S&T scenario its realistic

Houston could still add value though by taking on Jose or Turk and then this trade would start to look much better

Houston can't sign Bosh outright in a S&T so they should realistically be offering more than most teams.

but im saying they don't actually have much to offer , unless we are talking taking on one of Jose or Turk

Bosh and Jose for Hill, Lowry, 1st(s) Battier, Jefferies

[Raps in 4]

Of course, if they do get Bosh while keeping it's core, they will have close to 65 million spent on their starters alone. With a set salary cap possibly coming up, the odds of them being able to retain Aaron Brooks and Yao Ming in 2011 seem unlikely.

They won't need to retain Yao as he'll be retired.

Why in the world would Yao retire?

People are so high on him being dominant once again when he returns. The guy has missed so many games with severe injuries I doubt he will even be 25% of the player he was before. He'll be cheap to re-sign when the time comes, if he's even playing, but he'll most likely be on the DL again, at which point he might as well retire.

[Raps in 4]

Houston isn't trading Ariza or Brooks, doesn't make sense and not sure I'd want them in TO

Hill, 1st(s) maybe budinger makes sense but thats not a great package but maybe in S&T scenario its realistic

Houston could still add value though by taking on Jose or Turk and then this trade would start to look much better

Houston can't sign Bosh outright in a S&T so they should realistically be offering more than most teams.

but im saying they don't actually have much to offer , unless we are talking taking on one of Jose or Turk

Bosh and Jose for Hill, Lowry, 1st(s) Battier, Jefferies

I agree, I don't really like anything they can offer. However, you're right, if they could take on Jose or Turk that would definitely add value to any package there.

[whoknows]

I'd rather unload Turk with Bosh then get a super good return package. Getting rid of Hedo is great in itself.

everybody wants Hedo out, but most likely we'll need to trade Hedo for another less than perfect player. BC wants to be sure that at last the comeback from Hedo trade is a shorter/tradable contract.

[Kreamy]

The appealing thing about Houston is their expiring contracts and their ability to absorb Turkoglu in a deal as well. If BC doesn't find a way to dump Hedo with Bosh then the trade is pretty much an epic failure. I think dumping Hedo is more important than anything we'd be getting back from Houston - including the picks.

[ATLTimekeeper]

Remember if we can deal with Houston, and get slightly less, or a slightly better deal with a team combining CB with Noah and Rose, James, or Wade in the East, we're still ahead by not facilitating another stacked Roster in the East.

That should be a really small factor. The asset return should be the biggest priority. If we suck more because we took less, what does it matter whether Bosh is dominating in the East or West?

[pspot]

Houston isn't trading Ariza or Brooks, doesn't make sense and not sure I'd want them in TO

Hill, 1st(s) maybe budinger makes sense but thats not a great package but maybe in S&T scenario its realistic

Houston could still add value though by taking on Jose or Turk and then this trade would start to look much better

salaries have to match, and houston doesnt have many balast salaries besides jefferies. by process of elimnation (yao, kevin martin, battier, brooks, likely scola) to meet the 15 mil threshold to match bosh, i would rather get ariza vs hayes, books, min salary player.

I'd take Battier and could they not S&T Scola and or Lowry?

to qualify for the 125% rule they could take back about around 26 million for 20 Million (battier, jefferies, Hill, Lowry (4 per)

[douggood]

If Bosh is going to Houston, I want nothing less than

Scola
Martin
Brooks

there is no way houston is interested then, it creates too many holes for them. they are looking to add to thier team and plan to use the picks as leverage.

also although bosh might be thier number one choice they have other options, al jefferson is available. boozer and amare might be good consolation prizes as well.

[dagger]

Of course, if they do get Bosh while keeping it's core, they will have close to 65 million spent on their starters alone. With a set salary cap possibly coming up, the odds of them being able to retain Aaron Brooks and Yao Ming in 2011 seem unlikely.

Well, I'll let them worry about that. Their owner, Les Alexander, is very intent on spending what it takes. Maybe living down the interstate from Mark Cuban fuels a little rivalry. If Houston is putting as much time into this as they seem to be, they have looked at Toronto's situation to understand how best to get a deal done. The last thing they want to do is get into a situation where Bosh likes two or three teams, but Houstons sign and trade offer contains something - like Ariza's contract - that the Raptors can't swallow.

Houston has come this far, they can almost taste success. That's key for us, because if there is a bidding war, Morey is going to be hesitant to lose out for the sake of being mean or cheap with BC. He has to take care of his own interest and show Bosh a great lineup, but he also has to do it in a way that convinces Bosh he isn't wasting his time negotiating with Houston. If LA dangles Bynum, an offer BC might prefer for obvious reasons, Morey has to outbid that with a package Colangelo can sell.

For one, Morey will have figured out that whatever Colangelo does will be compared to the Carter trade, which was two picks and a slew of bad contracts. So he won't push bad contracts, and he will offer more than two futures, probably more like four (including Hill).

Morey knows the Toronto media has to be able to say that Colangelo did a lot better dealing Bosh than Babcock did with Carter, even though Bosh was unrestricted. And he knows the media has to say that Colangelo probably did as well with Bosh as he would have at the last trade deadline. That's how one party would try to make this happen - by assuring a win-win for all sides. Bosh gets an in-tact contending team, the Rockets get their man, and the Raptors get a meaningful boost for their future.

[douggood]

Houston isn't trading Ariza or Brooks, doesn't make sense and not sure I'd want them in TO

Hill, 1st(s) maybe budinger makes sense but thats not a great package but maybe in S&T scenario its realistic

Houston could still add value though by taking on Jose or Turk and then this trade would start to look much better

salaries have to match, and houston doesnt have many balast salaries besides jefferies. by process of elimnation (yao, kevin martin, battier, brooks, likely scola) to meet the 15 mil threshold to match bosh, i would rather get ariza vs hayes, books, min salary player.

I'd take Battier and could they not S&T Scola and or Lowry?

to qualify for the 125% rule they could take back about around 26 million for 20 Million (battier, jefferies, Hill, Lowry (4 per)

i am gonna go out on a limb and say that as long as Morney is the GM of the rockets Battier is off limits. you could offer bosh straight up for battier and they would be hesitant, that is how much their statistics show battier is worth.

[MrBojangelz71]

I would bet the farm that Scola will be part of any S&T with Houston. He is a UFA this season so Houston would have to sign him to a 4 year 8 to 9 mill per and then package him with a Battier and a couple of draft picks.

Scola is getting up in years but this is a good player. He wouldn't replace Bosh but he would provide a lot of what we will be missing with Bosh. I like him on the defensive end.

Battier is a solid expiring that would also improve our D instantly. Honestly, you add Scola and Battier, we become a better defensive team immediately.

Throw in Bud and a draft pick or 2 and we have a deal