Help me figure this out please-Why no JV in the 4th?

[ecksplicit]

I posted this in the PG:

In the Raps last 5 wins:

NY, Washington, NY, Denver, Hornets
Val +11 -4 +2 +11 +19
Bargs -2 -4 +2 -8 DNP

We're not gaining anything extra with Bargnani on the floor instead of Val. Val's +/- is equal or vastly greater than Bargs in our wins.

Don't we still have a statistical department? What are these guys feeding Casey?

[Truthrising]

I posted this in the PG:

In the Raps last 5 wins:

NY, Washington, NY, Denver, Hornets
Val +11 -4 +2 +11 +19
Bargs -2 -4 +2 -8 DNP

We're not gaining anything extra with Bargnani on the floor instead of Val. Val's +/- is equal or vastly greater than Bargs in our wins.

Don't we still have a statistical department? What are these guys feeding Casey?

Raptors management don't believe in STATS.

[ecksplicit]

Raptors management don't believe in STATS.

I remember in Bosh's last season the Raps were big on stats. I wonder what happened. Casey?

[Truthrising]

Can someone in the media please ask him this question? And repeatedly?

I was thinking the same. All I hear from the media is "oh, tough loss for the Raptors".

Then Casey says "I can't play my starters 48 minutes", and nobody bothers to call him out on it.

I get the impression there is some BC meddling going on here.

None of this makes sense. Matt & Leo keep going on about how they have to "get bargnani going". I didn't realize getting Bargnani going superseded team success.

When Casey mentioned he can't play his starters 48 mins, the reporter should've follow up with "How many minutes did Val play?" Our media is a complete joke.

[BC4CB4]

Can someone in the media please ask him this question? And repeatedly?

Imagine that

[T dot]

At this rate we are going to suck next year too as we try to develop our rookies JV , Ross and Acy because we did not develop them this year .

Ha! jokes on you Casey wont develop them LOL! We'll just win games by luck

[J-Roc]

Jonas is being developed to be the next Aaron Gray.

[Crazy-Canuck]

I posted this in the PG:

In the Raps last 5 wins:

NY, Washington, NY, Denver, Hornets
Val +11 -4 +2 +11 +19
Bargs -2 -4 +2 -8 DNP

We're not gaining anything extra with Bargnani on the floor instead of Val. Val's +/- is equal or vastly greater than Bargs in our wins.

Don't we still have a statistical department? What are these guys feeding Casey?

That isnt the reason for Vals limited minutes or else you would have seen 35 minutes a night when Bargs was out.


Someone stated the correct answer earlier.

1) Casey loves small ball. he would rather see AA, Gay or Fields play PF than to have 2 bigs.


2) He doesnt trust rookies, which everyone knew about when he was hired. This was one of the primary reasons he was let go in Minnesota.

We are such a horrible shooting team that it only makes sense to have Val and Amir get the bulk of the minutes so they can crash the boards. We really could use Bargs' shooting, but his confidence is shot right now with everyone piling on him and we are using him as a screen setter and as a bailout set shooter from 3 (which he has always sucked at). Id just not use Gray in the rotation at all.

[bigbadstevenson]

Can someone in the media please ask him this question? And repeatedly?

I was thinking the same. All I hear from the media is "oh, tough loss for the Raptors".

Then Casey says "I can't play my starters 48 minutes", and nobody bothers to call him out on it.

I get the impression there is some BC meddling going on here.

None of this makes sense. Matt & Leo keep going on about how they have to "get bargnani going". I didn't realize getting Bargnani going superseded team success.

That's what happens when you have a system where you have to "pay your dues". It's god damn journalism. It doesn't take years of experience to be able to write a decent sports piece or ask a decent question. They all have to work their way up so that they have something to lose if they piss off the wrong person. That's what paying your dues is all about.

[Lucky26]

Yesterday was the first time I got visibly upset and yelled at Casey through the TV.

The ORG is clearly trying to prop up Bargs so they can get something of value for him; but if you're trying to make the playoffs, why would you put a fourth scorer along with Rudy, Kyle, and Demar, when you are obviously lacking that Defense below the rim.

How Val looked last night, especially with Amir, I was shocked he didn't play the entire 4th. DC played him very litlle in the 3rd because he had 3 fouls, which turned out to be useless as he never got back in.

Casey almost never plays Val down the stretch of games and it screws with the team because they have to play a different style.

This team will never really develop, until Val gets 35-40 min. and Ross gets around 20. Landry Fields and Bargs/Gray are holding back our boys.

[BIG match]

Clearly not playing him is a part of his developement. Since he cant earn the starting spot hes going to have to earn his 4th quarter mins.Unfortunately, this is coming at the expense of everything. Winning, performance, defence you name it. To make matters worse, hes playing Bargs instead and to win you simply cannot have that defensive liability on the floor in crunch time. Its seems that at this point in time, Casey values Vals developement more than winning. Priorities are being mixed up in a very negative way

[Bankai]

Casey said multiple times that he would rather play vets "who have been around and knows what it takes to win". He has a prejudice against rookies because he believes they arent experienced enough to do things in the end to help the team win. That might be fine on a Title Contender when your vets are your best players, but for a "Rebuilding", "Retooling", Redecorating" team like this one it makes sense to play your rookies, especially when some of them are your better players.

[Kabatnaz]

Yesterday was the first time I got visibly upset and yelled at Casey through the TV.

The ORG is clearly trying to prop up Bargs so they can get something of value for him; but if you're trying to make the playoffs, why would you put a fourth scorer along with Rudy, Kyle, and Demar, when you are obviously lacking that Defense below the rim.

How Val looked last night, especially with Amir, I was shocked he didn't play the entire 4th. DC played him very litlle in the 3rd because he had 3 fouls, which turned out to be useless as he never got back in.

Casey almost never plays Val down the stretch of games and it screws with the team because they have to play a different style.

This team will never really develop, until Val gets 35-40 min. and Ross gets around 20. Landry Fields and Bargs/Gray are holding back our boys.

Did you see how many TO he had in the paint last night? Yes, he's playing some great defense; but he's a liability offensively. Granted that AB has been atrocious all year doesn't change the fact that Bargs is more gifted offensively.

You wanting to watch him play doesn't equal what's best for the team or his development.

[BIG match]

Val has been missing rotations almost as bad as Bargs aswell

[Green Backpack]

He can't handle 35-40 minutes. He needs about 25-28 right now, but he also needs to play in the 4th to learn how to play in key situations.

[Prestige]

What I don't understand is, if Val isn't going to play in the fourth why does Casey care so much about him being in foul trouble? Let him foul out! Don't yank him mid way through the first after he picks up his second. Play him as long as possible and to give him an understanding of how to avoid foul trouble. Right now he's being conditioned like a dog, if he hears that whistle, he knows he's on his way out.

[Bankai]

Did you see how many TO he had in the paint last night? Yes, he's playing some great defense; but he's a liability offensively. Granted that AB has been atrocious all year doesn't change the fact that Bargs is more gifted offensively.

You wanting to watch him play doesn't equal what's best for the team or his development.

I would rather have a guy like Jonas V out there providing defense instead of Bargnani out there who was providing nothing. If you play Jonas V you are killing two birds with one stone in that you are increasing development but your giving yourself a better chance to win by having Jonas out there providing something instead of letting Luke Walton go off on him like Bargnani did.

[Lucky26]

Yesterday was the first time I got visibly upset and yelled at Casey through the TV.

The ORG is clearly trying to prop up Bargs so they can get something of value for him; but if you're trying to make the playoffs, why would you put a fourth scorer along with Rudy, Kyle, and Demar, when you are obviously lacking that Defense below the rim.

How Val looked last night, especially with Amir, I was shocked he didn't play the entire 4th. DC played him very litlle in the 3rd because he had 3 fouls, which turned out to be useless as he never got back in.

Casey almost never plays Val down the stretch of games and it screws with the team because they have to play a different style.

This team will never really develop, until Val gets 35-40 min. and Ross gets around 20. Landry Fields and Bargs/Gray are holding back our boys.

Did you see how many TO he had in the paint last night? Yes, he's playing some great defense; but he's a liability offensively. Granted that AB has been atrocious all year doesn't change the fact that Bargs is more gifted offensively.

You wanting to watch him play doesn't equal what's best for the team or his development.

Did you see how many TO's Gray got or balls he couldn't handle in the little time he helped. Gray was Casey's punishment for Val making a couple mistakes? Look at his +-

[Dan2087]

I have no issue playing Val 24-26minutes a night especially with the injury he suffered not too long ago. What I don't like and find completely unacceptable is his minutes are not managed correctly - he uses up his minutes at the beginning of the game and so is benched at the end. Why can't Casey play him 6-7 to start Q 1 and 3, 6-7 to end Q 2 and 4. Doing that at least gives him consistency - he knows how much he is going to play and when he is going to play. He gets to play in key situations in all 4 quarters

Casey is the perfect coach for a team that wants to throw a season away

[Inevitable]

He wasn't a good coach in MN. He was half-bad half-good. Thing is, the guy can is really good at teaching young players techniques and what not, but he is horrible at handling games and his rotations are off the line weird at times. Also, he stuck with veterans for WAY too long when we should've been playing our young guys more. I don't hate Casey, but I am really glad he's not coaching my Wolves anymore.

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