Raps' Official 2013 Offseason Transaction Idea Thread, Pt. 2

[spree8]

Would you guys take JRich, Hawes, and the #11 from Philly for Rudy??

Looking to start a season in 2k with the 6ers. I want a trio of Jrue, Rudy, and Big Drew...could be the new Indy lol.

I'd take it.

Awesome...with that approval..I'm starting it lol.

[Marvin Martian]

JV, Derozan, Ross + 2015 pick for Kevin Love

Bargs to MIA for Joel Anthony + Rashard Lewis

Buy DAL 13th pick and draft Micheal Carter Williams

Sign Devin Harris and Nick Young to a 2 year deals


Lowry/Harris
Young/MCW
Gay/Fields
Love/Acy
Amir/Anthony

[Rapsfan07]

Would you guys take JRich, Hawes, and the #11 from Philly for Rudy??

Looking to start a season in 2k with the 6ers. I want a trio of Jrue, Rudy, and Big Drew...could be the new Indy lol.

I'd take it.

Awesome...with that approval..I'm starting it lol.

I'd definitely table this deal until the draft. If there was a guy I really like, I'd pull the trigger on this immediately.

[MA29]

Toronto - Minnesota

Outgoing:
Rudy Gay

Incoming:
Barea
Ridnour
D. Williams
2014 First

Reasoning: Minnesota has 4 pgs under contract and this trade leaves them with Schved and Rubio. Derrick Williams doesn't seem like a great fit in Minny and he could really break out if given the minutes. Minnesota really needs to commit to winning and making the playoffs since they've been awful for so long and Love might ask for a trade. This helps us tank and gives us another pick in next years draft in the 10-20 range.

[sweetcity]

We can get more:

Gay + Amir + Ross for Kevin Love + JJ Barea or Ridnour
Bargnani for Gordan

Lowry - JJ Barea
DD - Gordan
Fields - Anderson
Love - ?
JV - ?

[Mark_83]

What do you think it would take to get a pick in the top 6 of this draft. I know this has been mentioned before by other posters but I would love to get Victor Oladipo. After everything I've seen and read he seems like the real deal. We would have to trade with either Washington, Charlotte, Phoenix, or New Orleans I think.

[ballislife]

What do you think it would take to get a pick in the top 6 of this draft. I know this has been mentioned before by other posters but I would love to get Victor Oladipo. After everything I've seen and read he seems like the real deal. We would have to trade with either Washington, Charlotte, Phoenix, or New Orleans I think.

I can't see it happening unless one of the teams in the top 10 hate the draft, and decide getting Ross would be much better for them.

[Mark_83]

What do you think it would take to get a pick in the top 6 of this draft. I know this has been mentioned before by other posters but I would love to get Victor Oladipo. After everything I've seen and read he seems like the real deal. We would have to trade with either Washington, Charlotte, Phoenix, or New Orleans I think.

I can't see it happening unless one of the teams in the top 10 hate the draft, and decide getting Ross would be much better for them.

Yeah, I figured it was a long shot, but the kids got skills.

[T-D0G]

I doubt Ross will be traded.

Masai preaches young talent. Ross fits that bill.

[Mr.Raptorsingh]

I have a feeling we're going to offer Rudy Gay to LAC for Bledsoe, Butler. Whether LAC accepts or not, remains to be seen. They were interested in acquiring Rudy back at the trade deadline, so who knows.

But, Bledsoe is the guy who I see us going after.

[bballsparkin]

I like Bledsoe. I'm a little nervous about him too. How much money will he want? Can he run a team? Not sure how the Butler situation would be. Looks like he's an $8, 000, 000 expiring. I'm sure he'd be thrilled to leave LA for the Raps. I like Gay but I would probably do the trade. Gay might make the Clippers likeable for me, so that's a bonus. And Bledsoe is potentially a good young starting PG. Butler's contract seems desirable for a mid season trade. Bledsoe and Butler is likely an enticing package other teams will want too. Depending on the teams direction and needs.

http://data.shamsports.com/content/pages/data/salaries/clippers.jsp

[Mr.Raptorsingh]

In addition to the the trade above, if we can somehow find a way to land Thomas Robinson from HOU, who apparently they are ready to give up for nothing, basically, so that they can clear space for Dwight Howard or Josh Smith, that would be a real good move imo. Robinson profiles as a Kenneth Faried-type undersized PF, that's probably his best-case scenario though.

Bledsoe
DeRozan
Butler
Robinson
Valanciunas

Acquire a pick to take fellow Nigerian Giannis Adetokunbo (who they'll stash for a year overseas, and have him take over for Butler once his contract expires in a year), and you're sitting pretty, Masai.

Boom.

[eitanr]

Hey Everyone. Wanted to get your thoughts on a few things. I'm in the middle of crafting an analytical deck on the team which includes analysis by player, the team and on the draft.

This deck will be used to showcase to Raps personnel next week including Casey and Masai. After really taking a huge dive into this team here are some of my high level thoughts.

Small Moves - One of the teams biggest needs is backup PG and a backup big. Acy was extremely underrated last season and warrants a more consistent role moving forward. There are really no 'under the radar' type targets to snag via free agency as a backup big as even Speights, Dalembert and similar talents should get paid fairly well...too well to make it worth while for the Raps. The best hope for a backup big is via trade involving Bargnani (Biedrins, Okafor, Hawes, Hump) which seems very unlikely due to his low value at the moment or netting a surprise undrafted stud like Zeke Marshall or Mike Muscala.
For backup PG I think will Bynum is a nice target. You know the pistons won't look to resign due to Stuckey, knight and even Jose (who may get consideration to resign) still there which drops his value a bit. Bynum isn't a great shooter but can control an offense and due damage off simple pick and rolls.
Lineup Ideas - call me crazy, but it makes sense to start Acy at the 4 initially (playing only 15 min) with Amir backing him up (playing 33 min) why? This is all because of Bargnani. If Andrea can play about 20-22 min behind Valanciunas but alongside Amir those units can be successful. Also. It's not about who starts or not but about who plays with whom. Bargnani and Amir fit together nicely since believe it or not, Andrea is an average post defender but just a horrific help defender which is Amir's strength. When Andrea is paired with say Jonas that is not the case as both players strengths are post D (or not their big weakness). The minute allocation wouldn't change, just the lineups would be more sensible. I don't love Andrea like the rest of you, but if management is semi unwilling to amnesty him (remember they still pay that salary so it's a sunk cost) this is the best way to utilize him and hope he is productive.
Big trade idea (some of you will hate me) - here's the thing, the team is way in too deep to start rebuilding now. While I would love to see a solid rebuilding plan where the team nets some assets for Gay, DeMar and Bargnani I just don't see realistic ways to accomplish it. Also it would take far too many trades and everyone to agree on everything to get a rebuild done. Think about it...first you need to dangle Gay...sure maybe GSW and LAC may be interested but if you were them why would you be? The Warriors just made the 2nd rd and would like to keep their youth and future flexibility in tact. Going after Gay means Barnes takes a back seat. I don't see that being realistic. Meanwhile sure LAC is a bit desperate, but they'll look at some bigger names from the celts first in a massive deal. Besides the Clipps would likely need to unload Jordan in any deal to net Gay...what big would they get on return? I don see it. But even if Gay can get dealt now you have to think about DeRozan AND Lowry. The idea which could make most sense hoping for a desperate dump is Lowry, Fields and Bargnani to LAL, Gasol goes to third team and assets and expiring deals come back to Toronto (looking at you BK). But then do the lakers want to go that deep into the tax? Again way too many what its and just flat out unrealistic.

Having said that deals need to be considered then. If your rolling with the current team then you need a spacing win for Gay to be most efficient and perhaps allow for Lowry and Val to get more touches. I'm talkin about dealing DeRozan.

Right now his value around the league is okay and he's about to step into a steep contract. Guys (and other assets) who could be targets in a DeRozan trade endeavor could be Afflalo, Eric Gordon. Now many here are anti Gordon and for good reason. His injury past. The team needs to take a major risk though if they want to really make a major dent in the east with this team and Gordon's the answer. Go big or go home. If a move simply involves dealing DeRozan and smallish contracts (gray) it should be considered. The team can sign a cheap backup wing like dunleavy or mike miller for extra insurance. Ill probably get a ton of flack for that last idea.

Please let me know your general thoughts

Big trade idea

[Raptorfan2012]

The 3 main needs on this roster (assuming no major overhaul) are:

- Outside shooting
- Back up PG (no more Lucas or Telfair)
- Back up big

Hopefully the Bargnani trade will deal with one of these. Maybe get the back up PG in the draft this year.

If we stick with Lowry and Gay, maybe bringing in Foye as a back up SG (to replace AA) will be good too.

[sweetcity]

Hey Everyone. Wanted to get your thoughts on a few things. I'm in the middle of crafting an analytical deck on the team which includes analysis by player, the team and on the draft.

This deck will be used to showcase to Raps personnel next week including Casey and Masai. After really taking a huge dive into this team here are some of my high level thoughts.

Small Moves - One of the teams biggest needs is backup PG and a backup big. Acy was extremely underrated last season and warrants a more consistent role moving forward. There are really no 'under the radar' type targets to snag via free agency as a backup big as even Speights, Dalembert and similar talents should get paid fairly well...too well to make it worth while for the Raps. The best hope for a backup big is via trade involving Bargnani (Biedrins, Okafor, Hawes, Hump) which seems very unlikely due to his low value at the moment or netting a surprise undrafted stud like Zeke Marshall or Mike Muscala.
For backup PG I think will Bynum is a nice target. You know the pistons won't look to resign due to Stuckey, knight and even Jose (who may get consideration to resign) still there which drops his value a bit. Bynum isn't a great shooter but can control an offense and due damage off simple pick and rolls.
Lineup Ideas - call me crazy, but it makes sense to start Acy at the 4 initially (playing only 15 min) with Amir backing him up (playing 33 min) why? This is all because of Bargnani. If Andrea can play about 20-22 min behind Valanciunas but alongside Amir those units can be successful. Also. It's not about who starts or not but about who plays with whom. Bargnani and Amir fit together nicely since believe it or not, Andrea is an average post defender but just a horrific help defender which is Amir's strength. When Andrea is paired with say Jonas that is not the case as both players strengths are post D (or not their big weakness). The minute allocation wouldn't change, just the lineups would be more sensible. I don't love Andrea like the rest of you, but if management is semi unwilling to amnesty him (remember they still pay that salary so it's a sunk cost) this is the best way to utilize him and hope he is productive.
Big trade idea (some of you will hate me) - here's the thing, the team is way in too deep to start rebuilding now. While I would love to see a solid rebuilding plan where the team nets some assets for Gay, DeMar and Bargnani I just don't see realistic ways to accomplish it. Also it would take far too many trades and everyone to agree on everything to get a rebuild done. Think about it...first you need to dangle Gay...sure maybe GSW and LAC may be interested but if you were them why would you be? The Warriors just made the 2nd rd and would like to keep their youth and future flexibility in tact. Going after Gay means Barnes takes a back seat. I don't see that being realistic. Meanwhile sure LAC is a bit desperate, but they'll look at some bigger names from the celts first in a massive deal. Besides the Clipps would likely need to unload Jordan in any deal to net Gay...what big would they get on return? I don see it. But even if Gay can get dealt now you have to think about DeRozan AND Lowry. The idea which could make most sense hoping for a desperate dump is Lowry, Fields and Bargnani to LAL, Gasol goes to third team and assets and expiring deals come back to Toronto (looking at you BK). But then do the lakers want to go that deep into the tax? Again way too many what its and just flat out unrealistic.

Having said that deals need to be considered then. If your rolling with the current team then you need a spacing win for Gay to be most efficient and perhaps allow for Lowry and Val to get more touches. I'm talkin about dealing DeRozan.

Right now his value around the league is okay and he's about to step into a steep contract. Guys (and other assets) who could be targets in a DeRozan trade endeavor could be Afflalo, Eric Gordon. Now many here are anti Gordon and for good reason. His injury past. The team needs to take a major risk though if they want to really make a major dent in the east with this team and Gordon's the answer. Go big or go home. If a move simply involves dealing DeRozan and smallish contracts (gray) it should be considered. The team can sign a cheap backup wing like dunleavy or mike miller for extra insurance. Ill probably get a ton of flack for that last idea.

Please let me know your general thoughts

Big trade idea

All good points that we have seen bounced around on here.

Eric Gordan is certainly an interesting option and a good fit with Rudy Gay. I proposed a trade with Afflalo and Nelson coming here for Andrea and Demar a while back... but if we can net Gordan I rather just swing for the fences.

People want to tank for Wiggins and Parker. Outside of those guys the draft isnt that amazing. We have no idea what a player like Smart or Randle may be like just yet. With that being said, Charlotte and Orlando are going to be awful next year. There is no way to dismantle this team and be that bad.

DeRozan + Gray for Gordan might just get a deal done....

Still I argue that more depth is needed at the PF and someone like Mike Dunleavy would be a great asset.

Landry Fields to Mil for Drew Gooden

Lowry - Bynum?
Gordan - Ross - Dunleavy
Gay - Dunleavy - Anderson
Gooden - Amir - Acy
JV - Bargnani - Undrafted FA

[eitanr]

I agree we need depth at the 4, but is rather have a quick hopeful try with Andrea in the rotation and then deal him for that backup big. In the draft we can target a backup PG and in free agency dunleavy would be a solid target as well

[gerrit4]

Sorry to repeat my trade from earlier, but why not trade

Rudy Gay for Ben Gordon, Tyrus Thomas, and Charlotte's 2013 Pick.

Charlotte gets a huge talent upgrade, and sheds a couple terrible contracts for a less bad contract. We get a couple of useless players but a solid draft pick.

If this team's going to tank, we need to take on terrible contracts along with picks. Trading Lowry is another option.

[douggood]

Kyle Lowry to the jazz for the 14th pick.
Couple of PG projected to go in the teens, carter-williams, schroder, larkin.
Jazz could be in a win now position depending on how thier offseason turns out.
Saves face for the raptors in that they traded the 12th pick for lowry and got 1 years use out of him to turn around and trade him for the 14th pick.

[bballsparkin]

I would support trading Lowry for Utah's pick if a quality PG was deemed to be available at 14. I would consider that a prudent move and Lowry could be a nice asset for the Jazz if they want to try putting together a winning team next year.

I don't think Charlotte does gerrit4's trade. They'd be better off keeping the pick and acquiring another high pick in 2014. Seems MJ would love to get Wiggins. But you never know, maybe the team needs to start making moola pronto.

As to the Lakers and trading Pau, it's hard to say. Seems they want to keep their salary options open to free agency in 2014 so that limits the options if true. Also with Kobe's injury who knows. I guess it depends on how the Howard situation unfolds too.

[ishoy123]

In addition to the the trade above, if we can somehow find a way to land Thomas Robinson from HOU, who apparently they are ready to give up for nothing, basically, so that they can clear space for Dwight Howard or Josh Smith, that would be a real good move imo. Robinson profiles as a Kenneth Faried-type undersized PF, that's probably his best-case scenario though.

Bledsoe
DeRozan
Butler
Robinson
Valanciunas

Acquire a pick to take fellow Nigerian Giannis Adetokunbo (who they'll stash for a year overseas, and have him take over for Butler once his contract expires in a year), and you're sitting pretty, Masai.

Boom.

How is this team any better than ours right now both for this season and moving forward?