Lowe: Time To Start Investing Some Real 4Q Minutes In JV

[OakleyDokely]

It's hard to complain when you're 13-2, but I agree with the main point. If this team has aspirations of becoming a true title contender, not just a 1st/2nd round team, they need Val to develop into a great player who impacts the game over 35-40 minutes. That's not going to happen if he's playing only 20-25 minutes a game, with almost no burn in the 4th.

[Yorkex]

Last night was pretty sad , at one point I forgot Val was on the team

[AkelaLoneWolf]

Why? Every coach and player should always be subject to criticism. No coach or player is ever perfect. Casey has been very good for the most part. But there is always things that he can improve on. Agree the last two games, Jonas should have sat. However, for this team to succeed in the long-term, Jonas has to play some minutes in the 4th and learn from mistakes.

I also remembered you were pressing for his firing throughout all of last season. Why the sudden 180 degree change?

I was reactionary. I got caught up in the realgm hate for Casey and didn't bother to do my own research/use my own eyes. I didn't call for his firing but I wasn't opposed to him being replaced in the off season (early in the season).

Towards the end of the season and in the playoffs, I warmed up to him and realized people on here were just hating because their favorite player wasn't getting touches.

was it the fact that he drew a play from the wrong side of the court in the most important possession last year that caused you to change your mind

[youngtea]

In 4th Qs.

Team while JV is on the court ORTG 123.4 DRTG 108.4 NetRTG +15
Team while JV is off the court ORTG 108.8 DRTG 92.4 NetRTG +16.4

DC loves his defense, we knew that upon hiring him.

Did you know the 4 highest total mins guys in 4ths this year are in order
LW/GV/JJ/PP

Does anyone think mins =/= development?

Im indifferent either way, I dont think its inhibiting his development, nor do I think playing more mins is going to drastically uptick it. Hes going to get his mins/usg/etc.. and going to be a very good player for likely 4 more years (at the very least, pending no trades/etc..) in a Raps uni.

Well done bro.

Someone get this guy a job on the Raptors.

these numbers are absolutely meaningless as Jonas has only played 33 minutes in the fourth quarter.
Even if you want to use them, Chuck who has played significantly more than Jonas in the 4th has far worse stats.

Do you have stats?

[EleveN]

Jonas needs to learn how to defend pick'n'roll, he is clueless on that. Most of Horfors points last game came out of this.

[OakleyDokely]

I hate it when Casey reacts to what the opponent is doing instead of letting the opponent adjust to what he's doing.

When the opponent goes small, Casey goes small. If the opponent is playing big, Casey goes big.

I'd like to see Casey one of these days say, f#@k it, I know you're playing small, but I'm going to put Val on the court and crush you inside on every offensive possession until you put a big out there that can match him. But it doesn't happen.

[Scarface844]

was it the fact that he drew a play from the wrong side of the court in the most important possession last year that caused you to change your mind

He messed that up but why blame Casey alone for that series? A lot of things went wrong not only in that game but the past 3 games. Ross was a no show, we blew a 26 pt lead and gave them momentum, we failed to close the series out in game 6 and then we were down 10 going into the 4th in game 7.

Casey drew up a bad play but what about Ross ruining spacing or Lowry going hero ball? We were a young and inexperienced team. Casey admitted in the press conference that he was going to improve his end of the game coaching and this year we look great in crunch time.

I'll call out Casey or whoever on this team but so far, I just don't see anything the players or Casey have done that makes me go wtf? (so far at least).

[Randle McMurphy]

For the sake of both his development and the team's ceiling, this has been necessary for quite some time.

[m83588333]

Jonas needs to learn how to defend pick'n'roll, he is clueless on that. Most of Horfors points last game came out of this.

Horford was camped outside when Hawks were down. Teague also started attacking the rim when we went small.

[LastNameEver]

The outrage over JV's minutes sometimes overshadows the teams success, from this fanbase

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[Troubadour]

Casey is doing a fine job developing these guys. Let's let JV earn his minutes in the 4th. He can get there, but needs to play better defensively.

Before you guys annoint Zach Lowe and his girlfriend (Koreen) the coach of the Raptors, take a look at how many of our games have been won in the 4th quarter....often with strong defense and the helter skelter opportunities on offense that come from it.

Winning is development for JV as well, even if he's winning from the bench.

Stop with this **** of earning minutes. Just stop. He had 27 pts and 12 rebounds in a game against Suns. If that doesnt earn you some minutes in the 4th then what does? He certainly played better than others of the starters and yet ended up rotting on the bench.

So stop this bull excuse "Earn the minutes". Its not about Earning its about the mental block of Casey. In the end it will bite Raptors in the ass as playoffs contribution from him wont be reliable at all specially in late games as he isnt used to play any minutes come the 4th doesnt matter if its matchup or how he plays good or bad he always sits.

Jonas wasn't closing out on Horford mid-range jumpers. They went small against Atlanta to take away that shot. They weren't finding Horford in the post, so Jonas' advantage was somewhat diminished

[AkelaLoneWolf]

there's too many posters and casey playing checkers while the rest of the league plays chess.
we're not a great fa destination...we won't be drafting high if we make the playoffs...our best chances of improvement come from developing our young players...
i can't think of a single loss in jv's entire career that can be singly attributed to him...there's no evidence that over the course of this season that he would be a net negative if played in the 4th quarter nad there's no evidence benching him right now is a big reason why we're winning....when demar starts chucking up 3-17 statlines in the playoffs we'll be glad we have a low post player who can score and put up points as he did last year when demar was wetting his panties.
a balanced offense is key to a deep playoff run and we start now so that our players are comforable with roles and execution come playoff time.

[Local_NG_Idiot]

JV has earned 4th quarter minutes in the past couple of games. But situationally against these last two teams (and possibly Dallas too), shifting to guard 3s made more sense.

And the Memphis game, Hayes ended up awesome, so Casey for the win again.

It's a long season and JV will find himself on the floor in some important situations when it makes sense. I'm not concerned.

Hayes in Memphis makes complete sense but against the Suns and Hawks its stupid. Casey doesn't change anything for different teams. When TH comes back he will play ahead of Hayes against Memphis or Charlotte.

And Casey agreed with you. Hayes was plugged into the lineup for the regular second unit minutes while the majority of the starters got their breather before making the push for the win.

Val got minutes against Phx in the 4th, but couldn't match up with Tucker or Markief Morris as Phx went to a 5 perimeter oriented lineup. Then against Atlanta, Casey went with JJ and Amir up front so they could switch everything on defense in order to stifle the guard penetration that Lowry, DD and Lou struggled all game attempting to contain. It paid off as they busted a close game wide open.

[cdel00]

He is learning, in practice and from the bench and from game film.

Stop rushing the guy

He'll be ready when he's ready

Force feeding him will not help him it'll only erode his confidence

[m83588333]

The outrage over JV's minutes sometimes overshadows the teams success, from this fanbase

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Nobody cares about a win against a team in early December. If Toronto wins the first seed and Hayes is running guys off the line in the first round for 20 minutes leading to another 7 game exit who cares how many games we won in the regular season. All of Casey's flaws are amplified in the playoffs and its year four.

[Ari_Emanuel]

JV has really stepped up his game this season, yet for some odd reason his minutes are down and Casey is not really giving a logical answer for this. Development-wise it would really good for this team if he can learn now so that we're not forced into playing small-ball come playoffs.

And like Lowe says, we're 13-2, we can afford to play him.

If we weren't 13-2, people would be complaining about Casey's coaching and we'd have even more detractors.

Maybe Casey believes Chuck Hayes has enough left in the tank this for a deep playoff run and wants to make sure HE has enough reps so that he is sharp come playoff time? Last year he didn't have muhc of an impact because he didn't play enough in the reg season. All the hungry vet guys in their prime deserve a shot to prove they can win a championship this year. Believe it or not, that's what the guys in the locker room are gunning for this season. Their record and focus night in and night out are proving that.

[Patman]

The keyword here is investment. That means it's not about instant payoff.

That's how the Spurs turned Splitter from a borderline scrub (he was a star in Europe, but didn't start well in the NBA) to a championship starting centre.

There were plenty of learning experiences to be had, when Pop could've easily just subbed him out for a vet.

[DeadHorse]

Couldn't have said it better myself. GET REPS NOW.

[kalel123]

Definitely agree that it's time to free JV in the 4th quarter. I think Suns game was a clear evidence that Casey has a bias against JV in 4th quarter. If you don't trust a guy enough in a career game, that means you have a bias that you need to break out of. I know Suns were going small but you still need one big guy in there to protect the inside and it also works both ways that he can dominate them inside especially when he's been playing so well the whole game.

[AkelaLoneWolf]

was it the fact that he drew a play from the wrong side of the court in the most important possession last year that caused you to change your mind

He messed that up but why blame Casey alone for that series? A lot of things went wrong not only in that game but the past 3 games. Ross was a no show, we blew a 26 pt lead and gave them momentum, we failed to close the series out in game 6 and then we were down 10 going into the 4th in game 7.

Casey drew up a bad play but what about Ross ruining spacing or Lowry going hero ball? We were a young and inexperienced team. Casey admitted in the press conference that he was going to improve his end of the game coaching and this year we look great in crunch time.

Where's the evidence that Casey's primarily responsible for this run(note I'm not denying him all credit; just full credit)? Remember, he wasn't responsible for the turnaround post rudy gay trade. things just clicked re: chemistry and the new bench helped us a lot.
In my mind, this team plays the way it does because of lowry's leadership. casey was just smart enough to get out of the way, or did u forget how he benched lowry in favour of jose his first year here. this guy simply doesn't understand what various player personnel have to offer and then implement it in an optimal way for this team. its the same reason why he couldn't get rudy gay( and now demar) to stop chucking. thank god lowry makes the right decisions with the ball, otherwise he wouldn't be able to stop him either.
admittedly his decision making has been a bit better when obvious lineup changes have to be made ie the ones we scream about in realgm he's getting better at...ultimately casey will be the biggest limiting factor in our success.