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Post#41 » by execoftheyear » Mon Apr 6, 2020 3:07 am

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Badonkadonk wrote:We made some. Family of four, tons of guides out there and yes, something is better than nothing.

One aspect of this pandemic that doesn't get talked about much is that the viral load matters. If a concentrated amount of the virus makes its way to your respiratory tract, you'll be in much worse shape than if you're exposed minimally. Any kind of protection helps.


this. The more of the virus you get in your system, the worse it's going to be because your immune system will have to fight off more of the virus all while the virus replicates itself. If you only get a small amount of the virus initially, your immune system will have an easier time fighting it off and you will most likely experience mild symptoms.

That's why health care workers are at high risk and need all that protection, they're the ones getting more exposure to higher viral loads.

There's actually doctor (forget who or where) that suggested injecting the virus in small amounts into healthy low-risk subjects so that they can develop antibodies and gain immunity.


They did that before vaccines, to minimize effects of viruses like small pox


They should test this asap instead of waiting potentially 2 years or more for a vaccine. It may actually speed up the process of developing herd immunity.
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Post#42 » by Badonkadonk » Mon Apr 6, 2020 3:12 am

execoftheyear wrote:
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execoftheyear wrote:
this. The more of the virus you get in your system, the worse it's going to be because your immune system will have to fight off more of the virus all while the virus replicates itself. If you only get a small amount of the virus initially, your immune system will have an easier time fighting it off and you will most likely experience mild symptoms.

That's why health care workers are at high risk and need all that protection, they're the ones getting more exposure to higher viral loads.

There's actually doctor (forget who or where) that suggested injecting the virus in small amounts into healthy low-risk subjects so that they can develop antibodies and gain immunity.


They did that before vaccines, to minimize effects of viruses like small pox


They should test this asap instead of waiting potentially 2 years or more for a vaccine. It may actually speed up the process of developing herd immunity.

They're already doing something similar, with the blood of people who have recovered from Covid19. Marcus Smart actually donated his blood to it:

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/28979337/celtics-marcus-smart-donating-blood-experimental-coronavirus-treatment

Doctors and scientists are attacking this from many angles.
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Re: Official Covid-19 Discussion Thread 

Post#43 » by execoftheyear » Mon Apr 6, 2020 3:53 am

Badonkadonk wrote:
execoftheyear wrote:
CantStopTheRock wrote:
They did that before vaccines, to minimize effects of viruses like small pox


They should test this asap instead of waiting potentially 2 years or more for a vaccine. It may actually speed up the process of developing herd immunity.

They're already doing something similar, with the blood of people who have recovered from Covid19. Marcus Smart actually donated his blood to it:

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/28979337/celtics-marcus-smart-donating-blood-experimental-coronavirus-treatment

Doctors and scientists are attacking this from many angles.


yea they were doing that in China but there's a lot of potential risks and complications involved with the process.
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Post#44 » by 720 » Mon Apr 6, 2020 5:37 pm

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RaptorPride wrote:Which crypto did you lose money on?


Would have lost pretty much in anything depending on the timing, except for a few like chain link.

At its peak the amount of scams were insane, but some of it was the fault of user to not research the project and just saw green.

No transparency, no GitHub commits, no community, just copied code with no use case having a 10 million plus market cap, it was insane.

I got screwed by quadrigacx exchange getting locked out.

Same, the Quadriga scam took a good chunk of my funds. Doubt I'll ever see a dime even with litigation.

I remember I gave that **** website a copy of my passport. :lol:

Before I did I checked around and everyone was so confident they were a reputable business.
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Post#45 » by VintageVince » Tue Apr 7, 2020 2:37 am

Reasons to be optimistic....

The summer is coming, warmer weather...

-seasonal flu will end (only 4% of the people who tested for COVID, actually had it), which means hospitals won't be flooded with patients, and people who actually have the virus will go there - I really wonder how many people got the virus from just going there with the flu

-the life of this virus on surfaces and in the air is A LOT less with warmer weather, which means it should slow down the spread

- the backlog of cases have been cleared up, we should see the real numbers going forward, and this curve should flatten soon
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Post#46 » by SocialistHipHop » Tue Apr 7, 2020 2:46 am

VintageVince wrote:Reasons to be optimistic....

The summer is coming, warmer weather...

-seasonal flu will end (only 4% of the people who tested for COVID, actually had it), which means hospitals won't be flooded with patients, and people who actually have the virus will go there - I really wonder how many people got the virus from just going there with the flu

-the life of this virus on surfaces and in the air is A LOT less with warmer weather, which means it should slow down the spread

- the backlog of cases have been cleared up, we should see the real numbers going forward, and this curve should flatten soon


If it’s gonna get much worse in Ontario, we will know by the end of the month at the latest. Hopefully it doesn’t and the optimism is validated. But at least we’ll know where we stand soon, for better or worse.
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Post#47 » by execoftheyear » Tue Apr 7, 2020 3:00 am

VintageVince wrote:Reasons to be optimistic....

The summer is coming, warmer weather...

-seasonal flu will end (only 4% of the people who tested for COVID, actually had it), which means hospitals won't be flooded with patients, and people who actually have the virus will go there - I really wonder how many people got the virus from just going there with the flu

-the life of this virus on surfaces and in the air is A LOT less with warmer weather, which means it should slow down the spread

- the backlog of cases have been cleared up, we should see the real numbers going forward, and this curve should flatten soon


I think the warmer weather slowing down the virus is being debunked by what's currently happening in Equador.
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Post#48 » by Kevin Willis » Tue Apr 7, 2020 4:41 am

execoftheyear wrote:
VintageVince wrote:Reasons to be optimistic....

The summer is coming, warmer weather...

-seasonal flu will end (only 4% of the people who tested for COVID, actually had it), which means hospitals won't be flooded with patients, and people who actually have the virus will go there - I really wonder how many people got the virus from just going there with the flu

-the life of this virus on surfaces and in the air is A LOT less with warmer weather, which means it should slow down the spread

- the backlog of cases have been cleared up, we should see the real numbers going forward, and this curve should flatten soon


I think the warmer weather slowing down the virus is being debunked by what's currently happening in Equador.


Not really...

- Ecuador is mild right now, under 20 C
- Only one area of Ecuador is really being hit hard, I think Quito it the secondary hit so it's not all of Ecuador
- They did not follow anything. No social distancing. No face masks. They were partying for spring break thinking Latinos won't get sick.
- If you want a case study of the impact of quarantine look at Guayqul and Quito. Guayaqul has bodies in the street, Quito is much better. Guayaqul ignored quarantine. Ecuador is not a good example for heat because their deaths are driven by cirumstance and they're not experiencing heat yet. SARS slows down in heat, that's proven.
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Post#49 » by StringerBell » Tue Apr 7, 2020 5:35 am

A little levity

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Post#50 » by execoftheyear » Tue Apr 7, 2020 12:20 pm

Kevin Willis wrote:
execoftheyear wrote:
VintageVince wrote:Reasons to be optimistic....

The summer is coming, warmer weather...

-seasonal flu will end (only 4% of the people who tested for COVID, actually had it), which means hospitals won't be flooded with patients, and people who actually have the virus will go there - I really wonder how many people got the virus from just going there with the flu

-the life of this virus on surfaces and in the air is A LOT less with warmer weather, which means it should slow down the spread

- the backlog of cases have been cleared up, we should see the real numbers going forward, and this curve should flatten soon


I think the warmer weather slowing down the virus is being debunked by what's currently happening in Equador.


Not really...

- Ecuador is mild right now, under 20 C
- Only one area of Ecuador is really being hit hard, I think Quito it the secondary hit so it's not all of Ecuador
- They did not follow anything. No social distancing. No face masks. They were partying for spring break thinking Latinos won't get sick.
- If you want a case study of the impact of quarantine look at Guayqul and Quito. Guayaqul has bodies in the street, Quito is much better. Guayaqul ignored quarantine. Ecuador is not a good example for heat because their deaths are driven by cirumstance and they're not experiencing heat yet. SARS slows down in heat, that's proven.


well you just introduced another problem. People like to go out when it’s warmer which will more than likely cause this to spread even further and I expect us to experience a spike in cases. Everyone’s been waiting for warmer weather, it’s what everyone looks forward to after the long winter season. Living in a democratic country has it’s benefits but during this whole pandemic, it’s going to be difficult to keep everyone indoors.

Even China, an authoritarian country had a difficult time keeping ppl inside and had to resort to boarding ppl’s doors to prevent them from leaving and using force. That stuff won’t fly here and once they start implementing law enforcement or military quarantine, expect a lot of civil unrest.
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Post#51 » by Kevin Willis » Tue Apr 7, 2020 12:47 pm

execoftheyear wrote:
Kevin Willis wrote:
execoftheyear wrote:
I think the warmer weather slowing down the virus is being debunked by what's currently happening in Equador.


Not really...

- Ecuador is mild right now, under 20 C
- Only one area of Ecuador is really being hit hard, I think Quito it the secondary hit so it's not all of Ecuador
- They did not follow anything. No social distancing. No face masks. They were partying for spring break thinking Latinos won't get sick.
- If you want a case study of the impact of quarantine look at Guayqul and Quito. Guayaqul has bodies in the street, Quito is much better. Guayaqul ignored quarantine. Ecuador is not a good example for heat because their deaths are driven by cirumstance and they're not experiencing heat yet. SARS slows down in heat, that's proven.


well you just introduced another problem. People like to go out when it’s warmer which will more than likely cause this to spread even further and I expect us to experience a spike in cases. Everyone’s been waiting for warmer weather, it’s what everyone looks forward to after the long winter season. Living in a democratic country has it’s benefits but during this whole pandemic, it’s going to be difficult to keep everyone indoors.

Even China, an authoritarian country had a difficult time keeping ppl inside and had to resort to boarding ppl’s doors to prevent them from leaving and using force. That stuff won’t fly here and once they start implementing law enforcement or military quarantine, expect a lot of civil unrest.


Very true. We saw that in Florida and I strongly believe that was a major source of spread when those breakers got it there and took it back home. Especially the asymptomatic ones. I am hoping they handle it more like they did in Quito.
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Post#52 » by CantStopTheRock » Tue Apr 7, 2020 1:56 pm

Kevin Willis wrote:
execoftheyear wrote:
Kevin Willis wrote:
Not really...

- Ecuador is mild right now, under 20 C
- Only one area of Ecuador is really being hit hard, I think Quito it the secondary hit so it's not all of Ecuador
- They did not follow anything. No social distancing. No face masks. They were partying for spring break thinking Latinos won't get sick.
- If you want a case study of the impact of quarantine look at Guayqul and Quito. Guayaqul has bodies in the street, Quito is much better. Guayaqul ignored quarantine. Ecuador is not a good example for heat because their deaths are driven by cirumstance and they're not experiencing heat yet. SARS slows down in heat, that's proven.


well you just introduced another problem. People like to go out when it’s warmer which will more than likely cause this to spread even further and I expect us to experience a spike in cases. Everyone’s been waiting for warmer weather, it’s what everyone looks forward to after the long winter season. Living in a democratic country has it’s benefits but during this whole pandemic, it’s going to be difficult to keep everyone indoors.

Even China, an authoritarian country had a difficult time keeping ppl inside and had to resort to boarding ppl’s doors to prevent them from leaving and using force. That stuff won’t fly here and once they start implementing law enforcement or military quarantine, expect a lot of civil unrest.


Very true. We saw that in Florida and I strongly believe that was a major source of spread when those breakers got it there and took it back home. Especially the asymptomatic ones. I am hoping they handle it more like they did in Quito.


Look what happened in China once they allowed them out. Bunched up in tourist areas. Yup that is going to back fire

https://globalnews.ca/news/6783405/china-tourist-sites-coronavirus-photo/amp/

The 2nd wave of the Spanish flu was way worse than the 1st. If people let there guard down, like in this article, what we are currently experiencing could be small compared to what is to come
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Post#53 » by Raps in 4 » Tue Apr 7, 2020 2:26 pm

NinjaBro wrote:One of the youtube guys that I subscribe to (it's a cooking channel for authentic chinese food) just posted a video from inside a wet market from Wuhan. He lives in China and gives us a close look on what it's really like inside one of these things. No BS and clickbait.



That's just one market. The area he's walking in also seems quite upscale. Of course there are clean markets in China that abide by health and safety standards. But there are also many that don't.
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Post#54 » by jrask » Tue Apr 7, 2020 2:38 pm

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NinjaBro wrote:One of the youtube guys that I subscribe to (it's a cooking channel for authentic chinese food) just posted a video from inside a wet market from Wuhan. He lives in China and gives us a close look on what it's really like inside one of these things. No BS and clickbait.



That's just one market. The area he's walking in also seems quite upscale. Of course there are clean markets in China that abide by health and safety standards. But there are also many that don't.



How much did Xi pay him to make this propaganda video?
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Post#55 » by Raps in 4 » Tue Apr 7, 2020 3:16 pm

Kevin Willis wrote:
execoftheyear wrote:
VintageVince wrote:Reasons to be optimistic....

The summer is coming, warmer weather...

-seasonal flu will end (only 4% of the people who tested for COVID, actually had it), which means hospitals won't be flooded with patients, and people who actually have the virus will go there - I really wonder how many people got the virus from just going there with the flu

-the life of this virus on surfaces and in the air is A LOT less with warmer weather, which means it should slow down the spread

- the backlog of cases have been cleared up, we should see the real numbers going forward, and this curve should flatten soon


I think the warmer weather slowing down the virus is being debunked by what's currently happening in Equador.


Not really...

- Ecuador is mild right now, under 20 C
- Only one area of Ecuador is really being hit hard, I think Quito it the secondary hit so it's not all of Ecuador
- They did not follow anything. No social distancing. No face masks. They were partying for spring break thinking Latinos won't get sick.
- If you want a case study of the impact of quarantine look at Guayqul and Quito. Guayaqul has bodies in the street, Quito is much better. Guayaqul ignored quarantine. Ecuador is not a good example for heat because their deaths are driven by cirumstance and they're not experiencing heat yet. SARS slows down in heat, that's proven.


Quito is in the low 20s right now. We don't hit low 20s weather until June. And the real hot weather doesn't arrive until July.
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Post#56 » by pilkoids » Tue Apr 7, 2020 5:45 pm

NinjaBro wrote:One of the youtube guys that I subscribe to (it's a cooking channel for authentic chinese food) just posted a video from inside a wet market from Wuhan. He lives in China and gives us a close look on what it's really like inside one of these things. No BS and clickbait.



The people shouting on social media about wet markets have directed their outrage more at the ones that do sell bats/pangolins, which is not the kind of wet market he went to.
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Post#57 » by yogimvp » Tue Apr 7, 2020 6:08 pm

its over 30 degrees in new orleans and they are still getting slammed by the virus.
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Post#58 » by raptor jesus » Tue Apr 7, 2020 6:33 pm

NinjaBro wrote:One of the youtube guys that I subscribe to (it's a cooking channel for authentic chinese food) just posted a video from inside a wet market from Wuhan. He lives in China and gives us a close look on what it's really like inside one of these things. No BS and clickbait.



I don't claim to know the origin of this thing; we may never truly know. What I do know: this guy's argument is frankly ignorant. He uses a single point of reference to bolster his clearly biased conclusion. This absolutely is BS and clickbait.
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Post#59 » by SocialistHipHop » Tue Apr 7, 2020 6:40 pm

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/bc-ontario-quebec-covid-19-1.5524056

On March 12, B.C. recommended against all non-essential travel outside of Canada, while Ford told families to "go away" and "have fun" during the week-long holiday.

"You could see this coming," said Fisman. "There was talk in the epidemiology field that we really can't have a million people return to Ontario from places with unfettered COVID transmission. It's gonna be a very bad thing for us, but we didn't use that opportunity."
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Post#60 » by B-Ball Freak » Tue Apr 7, 2020 6:45 pm

yogimvp wrote:its over 30 degrees in new orleans and they are still getting slammed by the virus.


Stupidity > Sun in this case.

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