Vince Carter officially retires

[canada_dry]

If ur still being petty ur being dumb.



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[canada_dry]

How he left is the main reason why we don't consider him the Raptor goat. Thats enough of a penalty. But beyond that we gotta let it go. Hes still a Raptor great that WILL have his jersey retired whether ur pettiness has subsided by then or not and whether u like it or not.

Im not the biggest vince fan myself but geez. Gtfoh with that nonsense.

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[Drygon]

VC had a right to request a trade.

What made the fans hate VC was because of how unprofessionally he conducted himself at the beginning of the 2004 season.

He was openly sulking, would join opposing teams in their huddles, constantly joke around with opposing players during games, was evidently taking plays off and not putting in the effort, and would literally fall on the floor crying like a baby every single game when he got knocked down.

VC tanked his value and averaged career lows in almost every category before subsequently posting career highs in every category for the rest of the season and suddenly no longer had any injury issues.

Do I have any hate against VC for being upset with management and requesting a trade? No.

Do I have hate for the way VC conducted himself after requesting that trade? Absolutely.

How do you know how the front office conducted themselves behind the scenes? you don't

you only see carter because he is public

So why are you giving me excuses for hypotheticals that we don't know.

I never disputed that the front-office was pretty terrible at the time, but all we know are VC's words and actions.

VC acted unprofessionally and deliberately set the franchise back. When you are on a contract getting paid 96 million dollars and have 20,000 fans paying their hard-earned money for their seats and they are spending money to buy your merchandise, you don't deliberately not try.

I don't know anyone can excuse VC for his atrocious and childish behavior before the trade.

Rob Babcack set the franchise back himself. Vince wanted to stay and none forced Babcack to accept Nets' awful trade package.



How exactly did Vince "deliberately not try"? He scored 20+ points in a handful of games, including hitting a game-winner at buzzer against Portland Trail Blazers. It's not his fault that Sam Mitchell reduced Vince's minutes into career-low because they had personal issue. He played less than 30 minutes in 9 out of 20 games for Raptors. Vince's stats at New Jersey Nets improved drastically after getting more minutes and never played fewer than 30 minutes in any of his games for them.

Watch on YouTube

;t

[-AirCanada-]

Pretty obvious didn't even ask him. Even with added roster spots. That says everything to me about this organization and I respect them even more.

The next thread can be Bring Him to A Home.... as in nursing.

i mean were going to retire his jersey

you outta your mind if you think that isint going to happen

[RaptorsNorth]

The bring him home guys right now

[BigBoss23]

Slightly off topic, but at the moment who gets their jersey retired besides Lowry?

VC?
Kawhi?
Demar?

[Danny1616]

How do you know how the front office conducted themselves behind the scenes? you don't

you only see carter because he is public

So why are you giving me excuses for hypotheticals that we don't know.

I never disputed that the front-office was pretty terrible at the time, but all we know are VC's words and actions.

VC acted unprofessionally and deliberately set the franchise back. When you are on a contract getting paid 96 million dollars and have 20,000 fans paying their hard-earned money for their seats and they are spending money to buy your merchandise, you don't deliberately not try.

I don't know anyone can excuse VC for his atrocious and childish behavior before the trade.

Rob Babcack set the franchise back himself. Vince wanted to stay and none forced Babcack to accept Nets' awful trade package.



How exactly did Vince "deliberately not try"? He scored 20+ points in a handful of games, including hitting a game-winner at buzzer against Portland Trail Blazers. It's not his fault that Sam Mitchell reduced Vince's minutes into career-low because they had personal issue. He played less than 30 minutes in 9 out of 20 games for Raptors. Vince's stats at New Jersey Nets improved drastically after getting more minutes and never played fewer than 30 minutes in any of his games for them.

Watch on YouTube

;t

Great, you show me one game discounting that he also averaged career lows percentage and efficiency ways in every other category. VC was absolute garbage, sulking on the floor every time he got, being passive, rarely driving to the basket, settling for outside jumpers.

You clearly didn't watch the Raptors at all that season and are fitting a narrative from youtube video highlights.

He played 30 minutes a night and shot 41% from the floor, 32% from 3 and 69% from the line. That same season with NJ he shot 46% from the floor, 43% from 3 and 82% from the line. Please explain to me how his efficiency and percentages were so garbage despite playing in a Sam Mitchell offense which gave players much more freedom compared to Kevin O'Neal's slow ass system a year before. Do you understand the difference between a Kevin O'Neal offensive system and a Sam Mitchell offensive system? Raptors literally went from averaging 88 ppg in 2003-2004 to 101 ppg in 2004-2005. I mean this unbelievable the mental gymnastics you have to go through to justify VC's play.

That literally makes no **** sense.

Enough with giving VC excuses, he acted like a baby, was unprofessional, and quit on the team despite getting paid like a king. I think people forget how well VC was treated in Toronto and by the media despite being **** injured and playing like a passive pussy between 2001 and 2004.

This is revisionist history at its finest.

[beanbag]

So why are you giving me excuses for hypotheticals that we don't know.

I never disputed that the front-office was pretty terrible at the time, but all we know are VC's words and actions.

VC acted unprofessionally and deliberately set the franchise back. When you are on a contract getting paid 96 million dollars and have 20,000 fans paying their hard-earned money for their seats and they are spending money to buy your merchandise, you don't deliberately not try.

I don't know anyone can excuse VC for his atrocious and childish behavior before the trade.

Rob Babcack set the franchise back himself. Vince wanted to stay and none forced Babcack to accept Nets' awful trade package.



How exactly did Vince "deliberately not try"? He scored 20+ points in a handful of games, including hitting a game-winner at buzzer against Portland Trail Blazers. It's not his fault that Sam Mitchell reduced Vince's minutes into career-low because they had personal issue. He played less than 30 minutes in 9 out of 20 games for Raptors. Vince's stats at New Jersey Nets improved drastically after getting more minutes and never played fewer than 30 minutes in any of his games for them.

Watch on YouTube

;t

Great, you show me one game discounting that he also averaged career lows percentage and efficiency ways in every other category. VC was absolute garbage, sulking on the floor every time he got, being passive, rarely driving to the basket, settling for outside jumpers.

You clearly didn't watch the Raptors at all that season and are fitting a narrative from youtube video highlights.

He played 30 minutes a night and shot 41% from the floor, 32% from 3 and 69% from the line. That same season with NJ he shot 46% from the floor, 43% from 3 and 82% from the line. Please explain to me how his efficiency and percentages were so garbage despite playing in a Sam Mitchell offense which gave players much more freedom compared to Kevin O'Neal's slow ass system a year before. Do you understand the difference between a Kevin O'Neal offensive system and a Sam Mitchell offensive system? Raptors literally went from averaging 88 ppg in 2003-2004 to 101 ppg in 2004-2005. I mean this unbelievable the mental gymnastics you have to go through to justify VC's play.

That literally makes no **** sense.

Enough with giving VC excuses, he acted like a baby, was unprofessional, and quit on the team despite getting paid like a king. I think people forget how well VC was treated in Toronto and by the media despite being **** injured and playing like a passive pussy between 2001 and 2004.

This is revisionist history at its finest.

Why do you still care about this?

[-AirCanada-]

So why are you giving me excuses for hypotheticals that we don't know.

I never disputed that the front-office was pretty terrible at the time, but all we know are VC's words and actions.

VC acted unprofessionally and deliberately set the franchise back. When you are on a contract getting paid 96 million dollars and have 20,000 fans paying their hard-earned money for their seats and they are spending money to buy your merchandise, you don't deliberately not try.

I don't know anyone can excuse VC for his atrocious and childish behavior before the trade.

Rob Babcack set the franchise back himself. Vince wanted to stay and none forced Babcack to accept Nets' awful trade package.



How exactly did Vince "deliberately not try"? He scored 20+ points in a handful of games, including hitting a game-winner at buzzer against Portland Trail Blazers. It's not his fault that Sam Mitchell reduced Vince's minutes into career-low because they had personal issue. He played less than 30 minutes in 9 out of 20 games for Raptors. Vince's stats at New Jersey Nets improved drastically after getting more minutes and never played fewer than 30 minutes in any of his games for them.

Watch on YouTube

;t

Great, you show me one game discounting that he also averaged career lows percentage and efficiency ways in every other category. VC was absolute garbage, sulking on the floor every time he got, being passive, rarely driving to the basket, settling for outside jumpers.

You clearly didn't watch the Raptors at all that season and are fitting a narrative from youtube video highlights.

He played 30 minutes a night and shot 41% from the floor, 32% from 3 and 69% from the line. That same season with NJ he shot 46% from the floor, 43% from 3 and 82% from the line. Please explain to me how his efficiency and percentages were so garbage despite playing in a Sam Mitchell offense which gave players much more freedom compared to Kevin O'Neal's slow ass system a year before. Do you understand the difference between a Kevin O'Neal offensive system and a Sam Mitchell offensive system? Raptors literally went from averaging 88 ppg in 2003-2004 to 101 ppg in 2004-2005. I mean this unbelievable the mental gymnastics you have to go through to justify VC's play.

That literally makes no **** sense.

Enough with giving VC excuses, he acted like a baby, was unprofessional, and quit on the team despite getting paid like a king. I think people forget how well VC was treated in Toronto and by the media despite being **** injured and playing like a passive pussy between 2001 and 2004.

This is revisionist history at its finest.

"VC was absolute garbage"

haha

spoken like a true ex gf

[mintsa]

A lot more people started to play basketball during the good times then people stopping to basketball during the bad times.

He launched and grew the game in Canada.

You can’t deny that “I don’t want to dunk anymore” people...

[Danny1616]

Rob Babcack set the franchise back himself. Vince wanted to stay and none forced Babcack to accept Nets' awful trade package.



How exactly did Vince "deliberately not try"? He scored 20+ points in a handful of games, including hitting a game-winner at buzzer against Portland Trail Blazers. It's not his fault that Sam Mitchell reduced Vince's minutes into career-low because they had personal issue. He played less than 30 minutes in 9 out of 20 games for Raptors. Vince's stats at New Jersey Nets improved drastically after getting more minutes and never played fewer than 30 minutes in any of his games for them.

Watch on YouTube

;t

Great, you show me one game discounting that he also averaged career lows percentage and efficiency ways in every other category. VC was absolute garbage, sulking on the floor every time he got, being passive, rarely driving to the basket, settling for outside jumpers.

You clearly didn't watch the Raptors at all that season and are fitting a narrative from youtube video highlights.

He played 30 minutes a night and shot 41% from the floor, 32% from 3 and 69% from the line. That same season with NJ he shot 46% from the floor, 43% from 3 and 82% from the line. Please explain to me how his efficiency and percentages were so garbage despite playing in a Sam Mitchell offense which gave players much more freedom compared to Kevin O'Neal's slow ass system a year before. Do you understand the difference between a Kevin O'Neal offensive system and a Sam Mitchell offensive system? Raptors literally went from averaging 88 ppg in 2003-2004 to 101 ppg in 2004-2005. I mean this unbelievable the mental gymnastics you have to go through to justify VC's play.

That literally makes no **** sense.

Enough with giving VC excuses, he acted like a baby, was unprofessional, and quit on the team despite getting paid like a king. I think people forget how well VC was treated in Toronto and by the media despite being **** injured and playing like a passive pussy between 2001 and 2004.

This is revisionist history at its finest.

"VC was absolute garbage"

haha

spoken like a true ex gf

For the first 20 games of that season he was absolute garbage, for the last 60 games of that season he was a legit top 10 player.

That's just facts.

[Danny1616]

Rob Babcack set the franchise back himself. Vince wanted to stay and none forced Babcack to accept Nets' awful trade package.



How exactly did Vince "deliberately not try"? He scored 20+ points in a handful of games, including hitting a game-winner at buzzer against Portland Trail Blazers. It's not his fault that Sam Mitchell reduced Vince's minutes into career-low because they had personal issue. He played less than 30 minutes in 9 out of 20 games for Raptors. Vince's stats at New Jersey Nets improved drastically after getting more minutes and never played fewer than 30 minutes in any of his games for them.

Watch on YouTube

;t

Great, you show me one game discounting that he also averaged career lows percentage and efficiency ways in every other category. VC was absolute garbage, sulking on the floor every time he got, being passive, rarely driving to the basket, settling for outside jumpers.

You clearly didn't watch the Raptors at all that season and are fitting a narrative from youtube video highlights.

He played 30 minutes a night and shot 41% from the floor, 32% from 3 and 69% from the line. That same season with NJ he shot 46% from the floor, 43% from 3 and 82% from the line. Please explain to me how his efficiency and percentages were so garbage despite playing in a Sam Mitchell offense which gave players much more freedom compared to Kevin O'Neal's slow ass system a year before. Do you understand the difference between a Kevin O'Neal offensive system and a Sam Mitchell offensive system? Raptors literally went from averaging 88 ppg in 2003-2004 to 101 ppg in 2004-2005. I mean this unbelievable the mental gymnastics you have to go through to justify VC's play.

That literally makes no **** sense.

Enough with giving VC excuses, he acted like a baby, was unprofessional, and quit on the team despite getting paid like a king. I think people forget how well VC was treated in Toronto and by the media despite being **** injured and playing like a passive pussy between 2001 and 2004.

This is revisionist history at its finest.

Why do you still care about this?

I responded to you who said VC did nothing wrong and it was all Babcock's fault.

I didn't start the discussion, I simply clarified the facts.

Why do you bother responding to me if you aren't going to look at the context of the conversation given that YOU started the discussion.

The hypocrisy here is incredible. VC apologists always amaze me with their mental gymastics.

YOU blamed Babcock, I responded to you clarifying the facts, and you ask me why do I care anyways LOL.

You cared.

[beanbag]

Great, you show me one game discounting that he also averaged career lows percentage and efficiency ways in every other category. VC was absolute garbage, sulking on the floor every time he got, being passive, rarely driving to the basket, settling for outside jumpers.

You clearly didn't watch the Raptors at all that season and are fitting a narrative from youtube video highlights.

He played 30 minutes a night and shot 41% from the floor, 32% from 3 and 69% from the line. That same season with NJ he shot 46% from the floor, 43% from 3 and 82% from the line. Please explain to me how his efficiency and percentages were so garbage despite playing in a Sam Mitchell offense which gave players much more freedom compared to Kevin O'Neal's slow ass system a year before. Do you understand the difference between a Kevin O'Neal offensive system and a Sam Mitchell offensive system? Raptors literally went from averaging 88 ppg in 2003-2004 to 101 ppg in 2004-2005. I mean this unbelievable the mental gymnastics you have to go through to justify VC's play.

That literally makes no **** sense.

Enough with giving VC excuses, he acted like a baby, was unprofessional, and quit on the team despite getting paid like a king. I think people forget how well VC was treated in Toronto and by the media despite being **** injured and playing like a passive pussy between 2001 and 2004.

This is revisionist history at its finest.

Why do you still care about this?

I responded to you who said VC did nothing wrong and it was all Babcock's fault.

I didn't start the discussion, I simply clarified the facts.

Why do you bother responding to me if you aren't going to look at the context of the conversation given that YOU started the discussion.

The hypocrisy here is incredible. VC apologists always amaze me with their mental gymastics.

YOU blamed Babcock, I responded to you clarifying the facts, and you ask me why do I care anyways LOL.

You cared.

Are you okay man?

[Danny1616]

Why do you still care about this?

I responded to you who said VC did nothing wrong and it was all Babcock's fault.

I didn't start the discussion, I simply clarified the facts.

Why do you bother responding to me if you aren't going to look at the context of the conversation given that YOU started the discussion.

The hypocrisy here is incredible. VC apologists always amaze me with their mental gymastics.

YOU blamed Babcock, I responded to you clarifying the facts, and you ask me why do I care anyways LOL.

You cared.

Are you okay man?

Keep trying to flip it man. You can't refute my argument so you engage in personal attacks.

You brought up the issue and are butt hurt I exposed it for you.

Keep riding the VC train.

[beanbag]

I responded to you who said VC did nothing wrong and it was all Babcock's fault.

I didn't start the discussion, I simply clarified the facts.

Why do you bother responding to me if you aren't going to look at the context of the conversation given that YOU started the discussion.

The hypocrisy here is incredible. VC apologists always amaze me with their mental gymastics.

YOU blamed Babcock, I responded to you clarifying the facts, and you ask me why do I care anyways LOL.

You cared.

Are you okay man?

Keep trying to flip it man. You can't refute my argument so you engage in personal attacks.

You brought up the issue and are butt hurt I exposed it for you.

Keep riding the VC train.

Riding a train? Because I don't care?

I don't understand. What he did doesn't bother me at all. He's a grown man who had an issue with his employer and dealt with it in a way he saw fit. Why should I or you care, especially 17 years later? Tell me why I'm supposed to care about this?

[Danny1616]

Are you okay man?

Keep trying to flip it man. You can't refute my argument so you engage in personal attacks.

You brought up the issue and are butt hurt I exposed it for you.

Keep riding the VC train.

Riding a train? Because I don't care?

I don't understand. What he did doesn't bother me at all. He's a grown man who had an issue with his employer and dealt with it in a way he saw fit. Why should I or you care, especially 17 years later? Tell me why I'm supposed to care about this?

You literally brought it up in the thread. I never initiated anything, I just refuted your argument.

You have no argument against what I said so you backtracked and tried to make it seem like I brought it up.

[beanbag]

Keep trying to flip it man. You can't refute my argument so you engage in personal attacks.

You brought up the issue and are butt hurt I exposed it for you.

Keep riding the VC train.

Riding a train? Because I don't care?

I don't understand. What he did doesn't bother me at all. He's a grown man who had an issue with his employer and dealt with it in a way he saw fit. Why should I or you care, especially 17 years later? Tell me why I'm supposed to care about this?

You literally brought it up in the thread. I never initiated anything, I just refuted your argument.

You have no argument against what I said so you backtracked and tried to make it seem like I brought it up.

Well, what I said was I agree if he acted unprofessionally that's not cool, but it also doesn't mean I have to not like him. People don't have to act the way you want them to all the time.

Do you get this upset at everyone who doesn't do exactly what you want them to do all the time?

How's that for a refute?

[Danny1616]

Riding a train? Because I don't care?

I don't understand. What he did doesn't bother me at all. He's a grown man who had an issue with his employer and dealt with it in a way he saw fit. Why should I or you care, especially 17 years later? Tell me why I'm supposed to care about this?

You literally brought it up in the thread. I never initiated anything, I just refuted your argument.

You have no argument against what I said so you backtracked and tried to make it seem like I brought it up.

Well, what I said was I agree if he acted unprofessionally that's not cool, but it also doesn't mean I have to not like him. People don't have to act the way you want them to all the time.

Do you get this upset at everyone who doesn't do exactly what you want them to do all the time?

How's that for a refute?

You didn't refute anything...I clearly said management was terrible at the time.

And I don't give a **** about VC...and if you actually read my posts on other threads I wasn't opposed to him bringing him back for the last 3 seasons. I never even boo'd VC because I didn't think he deserved the attention.

But whenever someone tries to blame management instead of VC, I'll point out why that's wrong.

I have the right to dislike how VC handled himself at the time, and not hate VC now.

Just like I have the right to like Lebron as a player but hate how he handled himself when he made the "decision" in 2010.

Just like I have the right to respect KD as an unbelievable player, but hate his move to the Warriors and his prima donna attitude.

[beanbag]

You literally brought it up in the thread. I never initiated anything, I just refuted your argument.

You have no argument against what I said so you backtracked and tried to make it seem like I brought it up.

Well, what I said was I agree if he acted unprofessionally that's not cool, but it also doesn't mean I have to not like him. People don't have to act the way you want them to all the time.

Do you get this upset at everyone who doesn't do exactly what you want them to do all the time?

How's that for a refute?

You didn't refute anything...I clearly said management was terrible at the time.

And I don't give a **** about VC...and if you actually read my posts on other threads I wasn't opposed to him bringing him back for the last 3 seasons. I never even boo'd VC because I didn't think he deserved the attention.

But whenever someone tries to blame management instead of VC, I'll point out why that's wrong.

I have the right to dislike how VC handled himself at the time, and not hate VC now.

Just like I have the right to like Lebron as a player but hate how he handled himself when he made the "decision" in 2010.

Just like I have the right to respect KD as an unbelievable player, but hate his move to the Warriors and his prima donna attitude.

And just like I have the right to be fine with what he did? Or is that not okay?

[Danny1616]

Well, what I said was I agree if he acted unprofessionally that's not cool, but it also doesn't mean I have to not like him. People don't have to act the way you want them to all the time.

Do you get this upset at everyone who doesn't do exactly what you want them to do all the time?

How's that for a refute?

You didn't refute anything...I clearly said management was terrible at the time.

And I don't give a **** about VC...and if you actually read my posts on other threads I wasn't opposed to him bringing him back for the last 3 seasons. I never even boo'd VC because I didn't think he deserved the attention.

But whenever someone tries to blame management instead of VC, I'll point out why that's wrong.

I have the right to dislike how VC handled himself at the time, and not hate VC now.
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Just like I have the right to like Lebron as a player but hate how he handled himself when he made the "decision" in 2010.

Just like I have the right to respect KD as an unbelievable player, but hate his move to the Warriors and his prima donna attitude.

And just like I have the right to be fine with what he did? Or is that not okay?

You can argue whatever I want.

But when I disagree with you then don’t ask me why I care about it so much and try to make it seem like I’m so concerned about it when you literally initiated the discussion.

Same with the other dude Air Canada. He can’t refute what I said so he referred to me as acting like “ex girlfriend.”

I don’t hate VC, I don’t really care for VC. I just won’t let him off the hook when somebody tried to make excuses for him.

And in a few years I’ll still continue to call KD’s move to the Warriors a loser move, even if I respect his play.