What adjustments does Nick Nurse have to make in Game 3?

dontsettle4less · Post #41 » by **dontsettle4less** » Wed Sep 2, 2020 6:22 pm

Why is he no longer utilizing the bench? Lately the plays and defence look so scrambled. It truly looks like he's being out-coached right now. I still love Nurse and our players, but specific people need to take the reigns and make better decisions. One is Nurse and the other Siakam. He wanted to be the guy, he has to make shots, big shots, he has to read the defence, he has to overall be the all-around superstar he's paid to be. I knew there would be a learning curve but man, he's been making some bad choices and looks so sloppy at times. I'm hoping he figures it out. Let's get it boys. still and always will be my team no matter what but our boys need to keep playing with heart all game not just when they fall behind.

Tor_Raps · Post #42 » by **Tor_Raps** » Wed Sep 2, 2020 6:30 pm

dhackett1565 wrote:
GordanFreeman wrote:
dhackett1565 wrote:Mostly just don't play Boucher over Davis, there is no reason for that basically ever but especially while Lowry is resting.

Hmm there's like a 7" height difference.

True. And?

You realize that boucher played while Ibaka and Siakam were on the floor already right? The height difference only matters if Boucher was the only big on the floor.

Tor_Raps · Post #43 » by **Tor_Raps** » Wed Sep 2, 2020 6:33 pm

BD006 wrote:My focus would be to get Kyle and Fred more rest... which would likely mean more Powell.

Fred had nothing left by the end of the game, and in a close game, we'll need him and Kyle to still have their legs.

This also affected us by fred being drained by the end of the 3rd quarter. Our offense became so stagnant because Fred would just hold the ball to catch his breath. Ruined a chance to blow the game open.

visionquest · Post #44 » by **visionquest** » Wed Sep 2, 2020 6:33 pm

Is anyone expecting changes to the starting lineup? If so, what will change?

Ranger One · Post #45 » by **Ranger One** » Wed Sep 2, 2020 6:37 pm

How about actually MOVING the ball around and getting the boston defense on their heels? I feel like im getting Casey PTSD with Nick's stubborness regarding Siakam ISO's. Siakam is just NOT GOOD ENOUGH to create his own shot against the elite defenders that Stevens is throwing at him. All of Smart, Tatum and Brown have proven they can clamp him down with EASE. Yet here we are two games later and Nick keeps talking about "getting Siakam going". Well how is he doing this? By letting him ISO Smart/Tatum/Brown at the 3pt line over and over resulting in turnover after turnover or a feeble drive to the rim where he gets bodied and stuffed? I feel like Stevens hasnt really had to do any coaching this series yet. He's perfectly happy to let the Raptors slam their head against the wall by letting Siakam ISO to his hearts content. Have any of you even see Stevens send a single double team at Siakam? i sure havent. They know they can guard him 1 on 1 without issue and the result is we can't create any good, clean looks the majority of the time. This is Casey with DeRozan "ride or die" mentality all over again. Just like Casey, Nurse keeps saying "well we just need to make shot, we just need to make shots" etc etc ad nauseum. Well how are you getting those shots? Through DeRo...sorry...Siakam ISO's? or by moving the ball with a purpose and generating open shots? If you tune into the game on thursday and see nothing but Siakam ISO's against Tatum/Brown/Smart you might as well just turn the game off and accept the sweep.

Johnny Bball · Post #46 » by **Johnny Bball** » Wed Sep 2, 2020 6:49 pm

Ranger One wrote:How about actually MOVING the ball around and getting the boston defense on their heels? I feel like im getting Casey PTSD with Nick's stubborness regarding Siakam ISO's. Siakam is just NOT GOOD ENOUGH to create his own shot against the elite defenders that Stevens is throwing at him. All of Smart, Tatum and Brown have proven they can clamp him down with EASE. Yet here we are two games later and Nick keeps talking about "getting Siakam going". Well how is he doing this? By letting him ISO Smart/Tatum/Brown at the 3pt line over and over resulting in turnover after turnover or a feeble drive to the rim where he gets bodied and stuffed? I feel like Stevens hasnt really had to do any coaching this series yet. He's perfectly happy to let the Raptors slam their head against the wall by letting Siakam ISO to his hearts content. Have any of you even see Stevens send a single double team at Siakam? i sure havent. They know they can guard him 1 on 1 without issue and the result is we can't create any good, clean looks the majority of the time. This is Casey with DeRozan "ride or die" mentality all over again. Just like Casey, Nurse keeps saying "well we just need to make shot, we just need to make shots" etc etc ad nauseum. Well how are you getting those shots? Through DeRo...sorry...Siakam ISO's? or by moving the ball with a purpose and generating open shots? If you tune into the game on thursday and see nothing but Siakam ISO's against Tatum/Brown/Smart you might as well just turn the game off and accept the sweep.

We had 25 assists and we missed countless 3s, most of which would have been assisted shots. And they've doubled Siakam in the paint often and he had 7 assists because of it. Would have been far more if we made shots. What are you even talking about. :crazy:

Do you just want to compare it to 4 years ago and say it's the same all over again because you just can't tell and that's you're only fallback?

Ranger One · Post #47 » by **Ranger One** » Wed Sep 2, 2020 6:52 pm

Johnny Bball wrote:
Ranger One wrote:How about actually MOVING the ball around and getting the boston defense on their heels? I feel like im getting Casey PTSD with Nick's stubborness regarding Siakam ISO's. Siakam is just NOT GOOD ENOUGH to create his own shot against the elite defenders that Stevens is throwing at him. All of Smart, Tatum and Brown have proven they can clamp him down with EASE. Yet here we are two games later and Nick keeps talking about "getting Siakam going". Well how is he doing this? By letting him ISO Smart/Tatum/Brown at the 3pt line over and over resulting in turnover after turnover or a feeble drive to the rim where he gets bodied and stuffed? I feel like Stevens hasnt really had to do any coaching this series yet. He's perfectly happy to let the Raptors slam their head against the wall by letting Siakam ISO to his hearts content. Have any of you even see Stevens send a single double team at Siakam? i sure havent. They know they can guard him 1 on 1 without issue and the result is we can't create any good, clean looks the majority of the time. This is Casey with DeRozan "ride or die" mentality all over again. Just like Casey, Nurse keeps saying "well we just need to make shot, we just need to make shots" etc etc ad nauseum. Well how are you getting those shots? Through DeRo...sorry...Siakam ISO's? or by moving the ball with a purpose and generating open shots? If you tune into the game on thursday and see nothing but Siakam ISO's against Tatum/Brown/Smart you might as well just turn the game off and accept the sweep.

We had 25 assists and we missed countless 3s, most of which would have been assisted. And they've doubled Siakam in the paint often and he had 7 assists because of it. Would have been far more if we made shots. What are you even talking about.

Former Raptors Assisant Coach Tom Sterner disagrees with you. As i was basically paraphrasing what he said on the Radio this morning on TSN 1050.

https://www.tsn.ca/radio/toronto-1050/sterner-on-raptors-game-2-loss-if-lowry-is-injured-and-more-1.1518131

LJKO · Post #48 » by **LJKO** » Wed Sep 2, 2020 6:55 pm

This was what I worried about for the past 2-3 years. Not having Kawhi is not excuse and seeing other team making simple jump shots but our players can't buy even a single open look. It like they forget the basic of scoring. I always thought Nurse was a offensive guru? What happened?

Son Goku 25 · Post #49 » by **Son Goku 25** » Wed Sep 2, 2020 6:57 pm

My adjustment will be tuning into our local broadcast crew instead of Doris *** Burkes who happens to represent the Celtics as well.

I need to listen and watch my own boys, Matty D and crew.

Johnny Bball · Post #50 » by **Johnny Bball** » Wed Sep 2, 2020 7:04 pm

Ranger One wrote:
Johnny Bball wrote:
Ranger One wrote:How about actually MOVING the ball around and getting the boston defense on their heels? I feel like im getting Casey PTSD with Nick's stubborness regarding Siakam ISO's. Siakam is just NOT GOOD ENOUGH to create his own shot against the elite defenders that Stevens is throwing at him. All of Smart, Tatum and Brown have proven they can clamp him down with EASE. Yet here we are two games later and Nick keeps talking about "getting Siakam going". Well how is he doing this? By letting him ISO Smart/Tatum/Brown at the 3pt line over and over resulting in turnover after turnover or a feeble drive to the rim where he gets bodied and stuffed? I feel like Stevens hasnt really had to do any coaching this series yet. He's perfectly happy to let the Raptors slam their head against the wall by letting Siakam ISO to his hearts content. Have any of you even see Stevens send a single double team at Siakam? i sure havent. They know they can guard him 1 on 1 without issue and the result is we can't create any good, clean looks the majority of the time. This is Casey with DeRozan "ride or die" mentality all over again. Just like Casey, Nurse keeps saying "well we just need to make shot, we just need to make shots" etc etc ad nauseum. Well how are you getting those shots? Through DeRo...sorry...Siakam ISO's? or by moving the ball with a purpose and generating open shots? If you tune into the game on thursday and see nothing but Siakam ISO's against Tatum/Brown/Smart you might as well just turn the game off and accept the sweep.

We had 25 assists and we missed countless 3s, most of which would have been assisted. And they've doubled Siakam in the paint often and he had 7 assists because of it. Would have been far more if we made shots. What are you even talking about.

Former Raptors Assisant Coach Tom Sterner disagrees with you. As i was basically paraphrasing what he said on the Radio this morning on TSN 1050.

https://www.tsn.ca/radio/toronto-1050/sterner-on-raptors-game-2-loss-if-lowry-is-injured-and-more-1.1518131

Well, maybe you both need to watch the game and get your own ideas. I gave you stats from the game... there's nothing to disagree with.

Wait... did you just say you took the opinion of the former assistant to Casey after ranting for half a page that it was just like Casey's years. That's some real funny **** right there.

OakleyDokely · Post #51 » by **OakleyDokely** » Wed Sep 2, 2020 7:15 pm

Game 1, 3pt
BOS 17/39 (43.6%)
TOR 10/40 (25.0%)

Game 2, 3pt
BOS 15/38 (39.5%)
TOR 11/40 (27.5%)

Total, 3pt
BOS 32/77 (41.6%)
TOR 21/80 (26.3%)

You aren't going to beat anyone in the modern NBA when you lose the 3pt battle by that kind of margin, let alone a good team like BOS.

If the Raps hit 3s like they have all season, the Raps can make this a long series. If they dont, it will be over in short order.

GordanFreeman · Post #52 » by **GordanFreeman** » Wed Sep 2, 2020 7:30 pm

Tor_Raps wrote:
dhackett1565 wrote:
GordanFreeman wrote:
Hmm there's like a 7" height difference.

True. And?

You realize that boucher played while Ibaka and Siakam were on the floor already right? The height difference only matters if Boucher was the only big on the floor.

Yeah, I watched the game. It seems that Nick's intention was to go very big.

Tor_Raps · Post #53 » by **Tor_Raps** » Wed Sep 2, 2020 7:37 pm

GordanFreeman wrote:
Tor_Raps wrote:
dhackett1565 wrote:
True. And?

You realize that boucher played while Ibaka and Siakam were on the floor already right? The height difference only matters if Boucher was the only big on the floor.

Yeah, I watched the game. It seems that Nick's intention was to go very big.

Going big but not punishing the opposing team downlow or on the boards makes the move pretty useless. All it does is expose us on the other end defensively. This is why many want gasol benched because hes not providing much right now.

Knucknbuc · Post #54 » by **Knucknbuc** » Wed Sep 2, 2020 7:40 pm

pray patrick mccaw the celtic killer comes back??

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SFour · Post #55 » by **SFour** » Wed Sep 2, 2020 7:43 pm

you can make all the adjustments you want but if the Raptors aren't hitting their 3s at a solid rate while the Celtics have Smart shooting over 50% from 3pt then none of it will matter

Anticon · Post #56 » by **Anticon** » Wed Sep 2, 2020 7:48 pm

You're not going to resolve the basic offensive problems this late in the season.

I think the only thing is to feed the hot hand. Try to keep guys rested and able to execute as much as possible and feed the guy that's scoring the best.

And while I know the stats say those were good shots the Raptors got, a lot of them were lot in the shot clock without an dribble penetration. At least try to get the ball to the rim to move the Boston defence.

teksablabb · Post #57 » by **teksablabb** » Wed Sep 2, 2020 7:48 pm

Watch on YouTube

kj_ · Post #58 » by **kj_** » Wed Sep 2, 2020 9:22 pm

Anticon wrote:You're not going to resolve the basic offensive problems this late in the season.

I think the only thing is to feed the hot hand. Try to keep guys rested and able to execute as much as possible and feed the guy that's scoring the best.

And while I know the stats say those were good shots the Raptors got, a lot of them were lot in the shot clock without an dribble penetration. At least try to get the ball to the rim to move the Boston defence.

Agreed, getting to the rim should be a priority to get the defence collapsing and scrambling.

Problem is the Celtics are containing the guards well then contesting them at the rim making the finish tough. There has been very little easy at the rim. When the kick out happens, the Celtics are closing out really well under control not allowing an easy drive, while speeding up the shooters with their length on the contest.

In short, the Celtics are playing great defensively.

To be fair, the raps D has been really solid too.

These teams really mirror each other (great D, PnR to start the drive and kick game) and they are evenly matched.

Raps just need to execute better.

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ratul · Post #59 » by **ratul** » Wed Sep 2, 2020 9:42 pm

No chance of making shots with Nick Thibodeau at the helm. Guys were obviously tired playing so hard on both ends. We will then miss shots. Without a bigger rotation, we are just handing Boston the series.

RaptorsNorth · Post #60 » by **RaptorsNorth** » Wed Sep 2, 2020 9:48 pm

LJKO wrote:This was what I worried about for the past 2-3 years. Not having Kawhi is not excuse and seeing other team making simple jump shots but our players can't buy even a single open look. It like they forget the basic of scoring. I always thought Nurse was a offensive guru? What happened?

offensive guru ? He’s more defensive minded and that’s why guys like Matt Thomas can’t get minutes on his team. That’s because Thomas has issues with defending and Nurse really doesn’t know how to integrate him into the system. I truly believe if he had a guy like JJ it would be similar. Lowry is the offensive coach.