With the 4th Pick, the Raptors select Scottie Barnes! Part 2

[mtcan]

Still a bit bummed we didn't take Suggs, but I'm coming around on the pick more and more with every glowing report and interview/media session I've seen with Barnes in the last 24 hours.

I don't get the stance that some people have that Barnes/OG/Siakam can't coexist. They're all very versatile and have pretty varying styles of play. The thought of the Barnes/OG/Siakam trio with FVV wreaking havoc on the defensive end is extremely exciting to me too. Not sure who that 5th player may be right now, but that has to be a top defensive lineup in the league.

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Two of the three can't shoot right now. If Barnes learns to shoot or if Siakam can shoot like he did in 2018-2020, then that lineup becomes a lot better.

Honestly...if you went by only the FSU clips...ya...Scottie's shot looks bad. However...it does look like it's come a long way since...judging by the combine video and the Open Gym video. The form and rhythm just looks smooth. Now I'm curious to see him use it in-game. Yes...August 18th can't come soon enough.

Like I had said...I hope he gets the green light to let his shots fly and isn't too unselfish. I know it's easy to over-rely on the pass and the drive...but we need him to develop the scorer's mindset...

[StopitLeo]

Why do some fans think it was a huge reach lol he was projected as #5 and Orl would have taken him if we took suggs. Barnes will be better

Because it's a drop off in talent level after 4. With that being said I'm rooting for Barnes now and hope he proves everyone wrong.

OKC didn’t think so since they wanted to trade up for Barnes. Same for Orlando - if they rated Suggs much higher they would have traded up for him and Toronto could gladly have traded down. The idea that there is a big talent drop off from Suggs to Barnes is hardly a universal view.

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[The Duke]

I wasn't completely sold on Suggs.
I just didn't really feel it.

Barnes, OG & Siakam can 100% coexist in winning fashion as long as we have an actual #1 scorer (and not named FVV) .... so no not right now.

[AussieRaptor]

Why do some fans think it was a huge reach lol he was projected as #5 and Orl would have taken him if we took suggs. Barnes will be better

Because it's a drop off in talent level after 4. With that being said I'm rooting for Barnes now and hope he proves everyone wrong.

According to who? What a funny thing to proclaim before any of these guys have played a single game in the NBA.

I agree. Ridiculous take. Raptors have been head and shoulders the best drafting team of late and they obviously didn’t agree. Woj also reported both Magic and Thunder had Barnes ahead of Suggs on their board, so that’s at least 3 out of the top 6 teams which had Barnes > Suggs.

But, I mean, this was the same guy who said in the last thread that Raptors passed on a “sure fire thing” in Suggs for a “swing for the fences” pick in Barnes. Apparently history has already been written and Suggs is a “sure fire thing”. He should’ve went #1 overall because not even Cade is that.

[Mehar]

I wasn't completely sold on Suggs.
I just didn't really feel it.

Barnes, OG & Siakam can 100% coexist in winning fashion as long as we have an actual #1 scorer (and not named FVV) .... so no not right now.

Barnes said he prefers to play the point guard, and that is where this organization should develop him. I am not sure about him being a Small Ball Centre like some suggest, since he is not a very good rebounder or rim protector. He can coexist with OG and Siakam as a Point Guard. If his shot improves dramatically over time, maybe even start him at Shooting guard. We need to get another Starting Centre alongside OG and Siakam. I like Barnes as a Guard.

[Hit Em Up]

The Barnes and Suggs debate will be going on all year. Whenever one has a good game or good week the board will go nuts with "I told you so's".

Then the same the next year and the year after that.

End of the day, we will just have to wait and see how this plays out. One of the great things about sports is the unpredictability of draft picks imo.

Enjoy the ride boys

[MavCarter]

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[AussieRaptor]

People saying Barnes has a lot to work on. I agree his shooting needs to improve and I’m confident it will, but keep this in mind: Barnes per 40 averaged more assists and less turnovers than both Cunningham and Suggs. Assist-turnover ratio is very important for a PG, and he trumped both in that area. All the while being 6’8” 225lbs with a 7’3” wingspan and in the 99.7th percentile athletically.

[Los_29]

Why do some fans think it was a huge reach lol he was projected as #5 and Orl would have taken him if we took suggs. Barnes will be better

Because it's a drop off in talent level after 4. With that being said I'm rooting for Barnes now and hope he proves everyone wrong.

OKC didn’t think so since they wanted to trade up for Barnes. Same for Orlando - if they rated Suggs much higher they would have traded up for him and Toronto could gladly have traded down. The idea that there is a big talent drop off from Suggs to Barnes is hardly a universal view.

Yeah the idea that there was a big talent drop off after 4 has been squashed for awhile now. According to a few analysts quite a few teams had Scottie Barnes in their top 4. Chad Ford on Overdrive was saying that some teams had Scottie as high as 3 on their big boards.

[SpiderMunn]

Still a bit bummed we didn't take Suggs, but I'm coming around on the pick more and more with every glowing report and interview/media session I've seen with Barnes in the last 24 hours.

I don't get the stance that some people have that Barnes/OG/Siakam can't coexist. They're all very versatile and have pretty varying styles of play. The thought of the Barnes/OG/Siakam trio with FVV wreaking havoc on the defensive end is extremely exciting to me too. Not sure who that 5th player may be right now, but that has to be a top defensive lineup in the league.

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Two of the three can't shoot right now. If Barnes learns to shoot or if Siakam can shoot like he did in 2018-2020, then that lineup becomes a lot better.

Honestly...if you went by only the FSU clips...ya...Scottie's shot looks bad. However...it does look like it's come a long way since...judging by the combine video and the Open Gym video. The form and rhythm just looks smooth. Now I'm curious to see him use it in-game. Yes...August 18th can't come soon enough.

Like I had said...I hope he gets the green light to let his shots fly and isn't too unselfish. I know it's easy to over-rely on the pass and the drive...but we need him to develop the scorer's mindset...

August 8th!! !!

[720]

Because it's a drop off in talent level after 4. With that being said I'm rooting for Barnes now and hope he proves everyone wrong.

According to who? What a funny thing to proclaim before any of these guys have played a single game in the NBA.

I agree. Ridiculous take. Raptors have been head and shoulders the best drafting team of late and they obviously didn’t agree. Woj also reported both Magic and Thunder had Barnes ahead of Suggs on their board, so that’s at least 3 out of the top 6 teams which had Barnes > Suggs.

But, I mean, this was the same guy who said in the last thread that Raptors passed on a “sure fire thing” in Suggs for a “swing for the fences” pick in Barnes. Apparently history has already been written and Suggs is a “sure fire thing”. He should’ve went #1 overall because not even Cade is that.

Again I respect Masai’s decision and it will be fun to watch how Flynn, Barnes and Banton play together in summer league.

Also good job taking my quotes out of context. Picking Barnes is a going for a home run play. We opted not to pick the more skilled player because we believe Barnes possibly has a higher ceiling if things go right for him. What I mean by sure fire thing is Suggs being a bust is pretty low, his floor is high enough that he’ll at least say be a solid starter. Also Cade is a sure thing. Cade played with horrible teammates, had no spacing, he had no shooters to pass to, he got double and triple teamed as the season went on. Despite that he took that bad Oklahoma team to the tournament.

[NinjaBro]

Loved that it was straight to the gym for Scottie today.

Where did you see that?

Blake Murphy tweeted that Scottie apologized for being late to the media session because there was traffic coming back from the gym.

I've seen enough! Love me some Barnes.

[Vampirate]

Not really, you can actually see both guys and what they produced and the success they had with their teams and what not. It's not about mocks.

I refused to read all of it but pre draft someone posted advanced data pulled from a site with full breakdowns using charts etc that showed suggs and barnes being pretty comparable production wise so idk if that narrative is true

Idk, Suggs averaged more points, assists, rebounds, steals, almost had the same amount off blocks. If we up Barnes's numbers through Per 36 Suggs still has more everything except blocks (I think he has 3 less blocks than Barnes). Aside from pure stats, Suggs can dribble better and has better burst off the dribble in halfcourt.

One thing Suggs doesn't have is Barnes' size and that might help us in the long run in the comparison if Barnes develops better shooting and handling.

Barnes scoring game worries are real but I think you are selling his passing game short, he averaged .4 less assists in 4.1 less minutes per game. Per 40 he actually averages more assists and less turnovers than Suggs does.

[Raps in 4]

I refused to read all of it but pre draft someone posted advanced data pulled from a site with full breakdowns using charts etc that showed suggs and barnes being pretty comparable production wise so idk if that narrative is true

Idk, Suggs averaged more points, assists, rebounds, steals, almost had the same amount off blocks. If we up Barnes's numbers through Per 36 Suggs still has more everything except blocks (I think he has 3 less blocks than Barnes). Aside from pure stats, Suggs can dribble better and has better burst off the dribble in halfcourt.

One thing Suggs doesn't have is Barnes' size and that might help us in the long run in the comparison if Barnes develops better shooting and handling.

Barnes scoring game worries are real but I think you are selling his passing game short, he averaged .4 less assists in 4.1 less minutes per game. Per 40 he actually averages more assists and less turnovers than Suggs does.

His assist rate is higher too. 32% vs. 24% (21% vs. 20% turnover rate). His passing is elite.

[hyper316]

Why did Barnes come off the bench in college?

[Dalek]

I am just so happy Barnes is the pick. I think last year we had a down season but I was kind of feeling like the joy was missing at times. Scottie will bring that back to the team. He is a real glue guy in the locker room - a big part of what made Kyle so great.

I honestly think he has a higher skill level than he has shown. Like Patrick Williams who showed some better offense in the NBA compared to FSU.

What I would love to see is a summer league where Scottie just does his Magic Johnson impersonation on court. He has those no look dishes in his bag.

This will be fun to watch this kid who isn't afraid of nothing.

[Raptorfan2012]

I forgot which podcast it was but they highlighted how one of the reasons why our 2019 team was so good was the playmaking by Gasol, and that maybe Barnes can be a smaller more mobile version of Gasol. As of now there is no way Barnes can play pg; he cant create his own shot. Most of his baskets came from attacking the basket and floaters in the paint. If he can add a catch and shoot 3, he may be able to play small ball C.

[tosi]

Still a bit bummed we didn't take Suggs, but I'm coming around on the pick more and more with every glowing report and interview/media session I've seen with Barnes in the last 24 hours.

I don't get the stance that some people have that Barnes/OG/Siakam can't coexist. They're all very versatile and have pretty varying styles of play. The thought of the Barnes/OG/Siakam trio with FVV wreaking havoc on the defensive end is extremely exciting to me too. Not sure who that 5th player may be right now, but that has to be a top defensive lineup in the league.

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Two of the three can't shoot right now. If Barnes learns to shoot or if Siakam can shoot like he did in 2018-2020, then that lineup becomes a lot better.

Honestly...if you went by only the FSU clips...ya...Scottie's shot looks bad. However...it does look like it's come a long way since...judging by the combine video and the Open Gym video. The form and rhythm just looks smooth. Now I'm curious to see him use it in-game. Yes...August 18th can't come soon enough.

Like I had said...I hope he gets the green light to let his shots fly and isn't too unselfish. I know it's easy to over-rely on the pass and the drive...but we need him to develop the scorer's mindset...

We all saw Jose Calderon learn how to shoot. There is hope

[HumbleRen]

Why did Barnes come off the bench in college?

He wanted to come off the bench because it was the only way he could try his hand at being a PG