2021-22 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread

[Kinger95]

You could have gotten Wendell carter jr or richaun Holmes at half the cost and still get 80-90% of the production.

If the suns are 100% willing to lose or fracture their relationship with Ayton because they’re firm in believing he’s not a max player they know him better than anyone

Kinda like Portland know Trent jr wasn’t worth the money that he was demanding so they traded hom

[Saul Goodman]

What would we have to move to get Collin Sexton ? I think his skillset would be perfect for us and he would really thrive.


Boucher to Chicago


Derrick Jones JR/Trent JR/Portland 1st to Cleveland



Sexton/Love to Toronto

[dagger]

Marc Stein is trying to float the idea that Philly might want to a Simmons for OG/Dragic/pick trade to get rid of the cancer. It's Stein's idea, not saying it is what Philly would do or Masai would consider.

[Psubs]

What would we have to move to get Collin Sexton ? I think his skillset would be perfect for us and he would really thrive.


Boucher to Chicago


Derrick Jones JR/Trent JR/Portland 1st to Cleveland



Sexton/Love to Toronto

Flynn and Trent Jr?

[MikeM]

NAW is going to blow up this year. Give them Fred (and I'm a Fred fan).

[Spates]

Marc Stein is trying to float the idea that Philly might want to a Simmons for OG/Dragic/pick trade to get rid of the cancer. It's Stein's idea, not saying it is what Philly would do or Masai would consider.

What do you think of that trade scenario?

[Van_Trump]

Marc Stein is trying to float the idea that Philly might want to a Simmons for OG/Dragic/pick trade to get rid of the cancer. It's Stein's idea, not saying it is what Philly would do or Masai would consider.

I ve seen OG for scraps proposed repeated in the US press.

Always try to discourage that kind of nonsense on the Trade Board. And for the most part, it has vanished.

However, Simmons or Ayton are the calibre of player that OG would be moved for, IF he was to be moved.

(Would prefer Ayton)

[Bruin]

Wish we could get Dejounte Murray to be our PG of the future. He fits the defensive and lengthy identity and fits our timeline better

Idk what it would take but I’d easily do something slime Gary + Flynn + 2nds or whatever

[Morris_Shatford]

Give me Poetl over Ayton at fraction the cost.

I like Poetl's contract for what he potentially provides;
The issue is matching salary.

The deal likely ends up being based around Boucher for Poetl unless somehow a third team rolls in to use Dragic's contract.

Boucher is a much better player than poetl,(although older). Much more impact on the game, especially offensively due to his gravity. Poetl still hasn't learned to shoot. I'd say Boucher's next contract will only be a couple mil more per yr more than Poetls too so don't see the point of trading for him. I think he is what he is offensively at this point

I agree with that.
Prior to the contract that Holmes secured this off-season I would have assumed Boucher would have received far far more than he may ultimately end up with.

If Boucher signs for around 10m-ish this off-season then I would rather retain him;
If there was a fear he would end up with far more I would have leaned towards a younger and cheaper for longer Poetl.

[Morris_Shatford]

Marc Stein is trying to float the idea that Philly might want to a Simmons for OG/Dragic/pick trade to get rid of the cancer. It's Stein's idea, not saying it is what Philly would do or Masai would consider.

I wouldn't do OG;

But if the premise of a deal of X, Dragic, and a pick for Ben Simmons
I think there are some situations depending on X that I could get behind.

I don't feel that Simmons is the ideal fit but in a potential throw away season, I think we can rehab enough value that he could be moved during his contract for more than we gave up.

[dagger]

Marc Stein is trying to float the idea that Philly might want to a Simmons for OG/Dragic/pick trade to get rid of the cancer. It's Stein's idea, not saying it is what Philly would do or Masai would consider.

I wouldn't do OG;

But if the premise of a deal of X, Dragic, and a pick for Ben Simmons
I think there are some situations depending on X that I could get behind.

I don't feel that Simmons is the ideal fit but in a potential throw away season, I think we can rehab enough value that he could be moved during his contract for more than we gave up.

I'm not a big Simmons fan, but if you want to move him to a third team and accelerate a rebuild, I played around with this:

Sacramento gets Simmons, Shake Milton or Tybulle
Philly gets Harrison Barnes, Fred Van Vleet, Davion Mitchell
Toronto gets Marvin Bagley (expiring), Tyrese Halliburton

Add in a couple of small bench contracts, and it works easily in trade checker. Balance with picks as required. Raps get a young PG who fits their style and really deserves to start somewhere. Take a flyer on Bagley, who is expiring. Sac gets the prize piece, Barnes and Fred help Philly's title run and Mitchell gives them a lottery pick to develop behind Fred.

[Dr Positivity]

No OG in Simmons deal. Sixers can take FVV and Boucher for Simmons.

[StopitLeo]

NAW is going to blow up this year. Give them Fred (and I'm a Fred fan).

I think Fred is the most important piece to move. We need to let Barnes run the offense and that's not going to sit well with Fred.

I don't see why NOP would want him when they just traded for Devonte' Graham though.

[StopitLeo]

I'm not a big Simmons fan, but if you want to move him to a third team and accelerate a rebuild, I played around with this:

Sacramento gets Simmons, Shake Milton or Tybulle
Philly gets Harrison Barnes, Fred Van Vleet, Davion Mitchell
Toronto gets Marvin Bagley (expiring), Tyrese Halliburton

Add in a couple of small bench contracts, and it works easily in trade checker. Balance with picks as required. Raps get a young PG who fits their style and really deserves to start somewhere. Take a flyer on Bagley, who is expiring. Sac gets the prize piece, Barnes and Fred help Philly's title run and Mitchell gives them a lottery pick to develop behind Fred.

The picks are going to be the ultimate impediment to any trade unless Morey comes to his senses.

[wegotthabeet]

No OG in Simmons deal. Sixers can take FVV and Boucher for Simmons.

Agree, but doesn't work salary wise. Trade the starting backcourt instead. Even throw Flynn in and it works, just dump anyone under 6'5 and go from there.

FVV, Dragic, Flynn & lotto protected pick + pick swap for Simmons.

Barnes - Banton
Trent Jr. - Svi
Anunoby -
Siakam - Boucher
Simmons - Achiuwa - Birch

[Bowdystuda]

Wanted Simmons before. Losing interest every single day. Dude is not built to be a Raptor. Not a worker. Big picture players from my perspective. It all changes depending on where Scottie plays. If he plays SF we probably move Siakam. If he plays PG, we probably keep Siakam.

PG- ?/Banton
SG- ?/?
SF- Barnes/Svi
PF- OG/?
C- Precious/?

AVAILABLE: Pascal Siakam/Fred Vanvleet/Gary Trent Jr/Goran Dragic/Chris Boucher/Malachi Flynn/Khem Birch


OR

PG- Barnes/Banton
SG-?/?
SF- OG/Svi
PF- Siakam/?
C- Precious/?

AVAILABLE: Fred Vanvleet/Gary Trent Jr/Goran Dragic/Chris Boucher/Malachi Flynn/Khem Birch

To me, I think the Raptors are going to go down the route of Scottie playing PG and keeping Siakam although i wouldn't do that. I think the Raps are going to play Trent, Boucher and Vanvleet big minutes coming up to increase trade value as I see all 3 gone by the deadline if not sooner. Dragic's value is pretty much set. He is what he is. Flynn and Birch could be valuable depending on which team wants them. I think this will be an interesting season for us.

[DreamTeam09]

Dragic + Boucher + Flynn + 1st would what I'd move to get us our SG or Tall PG of the future.

I'd love for that to be enough to get Jaylen Brown/Ingram/Murray.

Maybe even heild I'd do that for

[Ell Curry]

You could have gotten Wendell carter jr or richaun Holmes at half the cost and still get 80-90% of the production.

If the suns are 100% willing to lose or fracture their relationship with Ayton because they’re firm in believing he’s not a max player they know him better than anyone

Kinda like Portland know Trent jr wasn’t worth the money that he was demanding so they traded hom

Can't imagine they'll do it but trading Ayton for Holmes and an unprotected 1st rounder or a similar move for a cost-controlled center and a high pick/nice cheap rookie is probably out there.

Something like Ayton and Saric for Steven Adams, Desmond Bane and the Grizz unprotected first this year for instance would give Memphis 2 young bigs to pair with Morant for the next decade and the Suns get their new Jae Crowder, a center for this year and a pick to get their next starting center.

Ayton to Detroit for their unprotected pick and Olynyk would be an interesting move too, if Phoenix could turn Saric, Jalen Smith and their own first into a stopgap big for this year and next like Poeltl who is a better defender in space than Ayton. Olynyk as a much better Kaminsky.

They should really just wait and match his offer though, even if he takes a short one (can he do 2+1 or only 3+1?) there are worse things than having Ayton at 25 with 2 years to go and having to trade him then, or just let him go at 27 because you know the next deal might be meh anyways with the league getting faster every year.

I know Shamet was only 2 years, but trading the 29th pick in the deal instead of just taking say Jared Butler to shoot off the bench is another 8M a year next year and made the luxury tax thing way harder. Without Shamet, they could have maxed out Ayton and used their 6M exception and gotten under the tax by trading Saric, Jalen Smith and #29 for an expiring contract like Thad Young or Gary Harris or whoever's team would have decided they wanted the first and a flier on Smith instead. Even a 3 way with Dragic mighta worked.

[Bruin]

What can we get for Boucher and Dragic?

Really hope neither are on this team past the deadline

[Psubs]

I would trade Dragic to Dallas for whatever they can contribute to a 3-way trade.