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Re: Delano Banton Discussion 

Post#41 » by ash_k » Tue Oct 26, 2021 7:29 pm

Indeed wrote:I still don't get how people have Banton needs 905. What makes Barnes doesn't need 905 while Banton needs 905? What aspect in precises terms that he needs 905?
What on court experience in precise? And shooting needs on court experience? If you say blowby his man with advanced moves needs experience, I would agree, but really shooting as it is more practice than experience needs to be on court?

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That's just not enough games. He needs to be on the court for 30 minutes per game right now.
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Re: Delano Banton Discussion 

Post#42 » by OakleyDokely » Tue Oct 26, 2021 7:34 pm

Indeed wrote:I still don't get how people have Banton needs 905. What makes Barnes doesn't need 905 while Banton needs 905? What aspect in precises terms that he needs 905?
What on court experience in precise? And shooting needs on court experience? If you say blowby his man with advanced moves needs experience, I would agree, but really shooting as it is more practice than experience needs to be on court?
I think it's mostly about minutes. Barnes is already playing 30+ minutes at the NBA level. If those minutes aren't available at the NBA level for Banton, they will be with the 905. You don't want him wasting away on the bench playing 5 minutes a game.
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Re: Delano Banton Discussion 

Post#43 » by anj » Tue Oct 26, 2021 7:40 pm

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Indeed wrote:I still don't get how people have Banton needs 905. What makes Barnes doesn't need 905 while Banton needs 905? What aspect in precises terms that he needs 905?
What on court experience in precise? And shooting needs on court experience? If you say blowby his man with advanced moves needs experience, I would agree, but really shooting as it is more practice than experience needs to be on court?
I think it's mostly about minutes. Barnes is already playing 30+ minutes at the NBA level. If those minutes aren't available at the NBA level for Banton, they will be with the 905.


Also, once Pascal's back minutes will be even more scarce for both of them. And the priority will be Barnes, obvs.
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Re: Dalano Banton Discussion 

Post#44 » by lolwut » Tue Oct 26, 2021 7:41 pm

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DIEHARD_005 wrote:Right now, my biggest knock on him is that he didnt know how to pronounce Queens Quay or Roncesvalles.


Whoever the **** decided that quay is pronounced "key" should have been shot out of a cannon then and there.

It's probably some weird British pronunciation thing. It's like how "Thames" is pronounced "Tams".
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Re: Delano Banton Discussion 

Post#45 » by Indeed » Tue Oct 26, 2021 7:53 pm

ash_k wrote:
Indeed wrote:I still don't get how people have Banton needs 905. What makes Barnes doesn't need 905 while Banton needs 905? What aspect in precises terms that he needs 905?
What on court experience in precise? And shooting needs on court experience? If you say blowby his man with advanced moves needs experience, I would agree, but really shooting as it is more practice than experience needs to be on court?

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That's just not enough games. He needs to be on the court for 30 minutes per game right now.



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Indeed wrote:I still don't get how people have Banton needs 905. What makes Barnes doesn't need 905 while Banton needs 905? What aspect in precises terms that he needs 905?
What on court experience in precise? And shooting needs on court experience? If you say blowby his man with advanced moves needs experience, I would agree, but really shooting as it is more practice than experience needs to be on court?
I think it's mostly about minutes. Barnes is already playing 30+ minutes at the NBA level. If those minutes aren't available at the NBA level for Banton, they will be with the 905.


Also, once Pascal's back minutes will be even more scarce for both of them. And the priority will be Barnes, obvs.


I don't think my question was answered. What aspect of games he will improve with more minutes?

Or are you thinking that Ben Simmons would improve his shooting by getting even more minutes if he didn't play enough over his career already?
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Re: Delano Banton Discussion 

Post#46 » by OakleyDokely » Tue Oct 26, 2021 7:54 pm

Indeed wrote:
ash_k wrote:
Indeed wrote:I still don't get how people have Banton needs 905. What makes Barnes doesn't need 905 while Banton needs 905? What aspect in precises terms that he needs 905?
What on court experience in precise? And shooting needs on court experience? If you say blowby his man with advanced moves needs experience, I would agree, but really shooting as it is more practice than experience needs to be on court?

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That's just not enough games. He needs to be on the court for 30 minutes per game right now.



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OakleyDokely wrote:I think it's mostly about minutes. Barnes is already playing 30+ minutes at the NBA level. If those minutes aren't available at the NBA level for Banton, they will be with the 905.


Also, once Pascal's back minutes will be even more scarce for both of them. And the priority will be Barnes, obvs.


I don't think my question was answered. What aspect of games he will improve with more minutes?

Or are you thinking that Ben Simmons would improve his shooting by getting even more minutes if he didn't play enough over his career already?
His outside shot. He needs to put up a lot of them.
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Re: Dalano Banton Discussion 

Post#47 » by dTox » Tue Oct 26, 2021 8:00 pm

He's a real disrupter to the opponents defense with his aggressive style of play, and in the limited minutes he played next to Barnes (esp. in the Wizards game), they were causing havoc together. I'd love to see FVV play a bit less since we are overworking him, and hand those min to Delano.
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Re: Delano Banton Discussion 

Post#48 » by alpngso » Tue Oct 26, 2021 8:01 pm

Indeed wrote:
ash_k wrote:
Indeed wrote:I still don't get how people have Banton needs 905. What makes Barnes doesn't need 905 while Banton needs 905? What aspect in precises terms that he needs 905?
What on court experience in precise? And shooting needs on court experience? If you say blowby his man with advanced moves needs experience, I would agree, but really shooting as it is more practice than experience needs to be on court?

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That's just not enough games. He needs to be on the court for 30 minutes per game right now.



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OakleyDokely wrote:I think it's mostly about minutes. Barnes is already playing 30+ minutes at the NBA level. If those minutes aren't available at the NBA level for Banton, they will be with the 905.


Also, once Pascal's back minutes will be even more scarce for both of them. And the priority will be Barnes, obvs.


I don't think my question was answered. What aspect of games he will improve with more minutes?

Or are you thinking that Ben Simmons would improve his shooting by getting even more minutes if he didn't play enough over his career already?


Handling and decision making suspect too, forcing passes in SL and preseason as well. if we want him to succeed as ballhandler/playermaker he needs more reps
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Re: Dalano Banton Discussion 

Post#49 » by Dalek » Tue Oct 26, 2021 8:15 pm

I'd throw him into game over Goran - really no reason to keep playing Goran when you can tell he is not playing at his best. Miami had him starting and playing way harder right into their playoffs last year.

If we are truly rebuilding Banton should be getting reps with a higher level of talent. He can play a handful of 905 games if he is not understanding the defensive concepts, but he has looked great in all of his short appearances. I thought he would be too weak and foul prone, but he looks great hounding PGs and on offence he still can't shoot but he can draw fouls alright.
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Re: Delano Banton Discussion 

Post#50 » by WuTang_CMB » Tue Oct 26, 2021 8:18 pm

Indeed wrote:I still don't get how people have Banton needs 905. What makes Barnes doesn't need 905 while Banton needs 905? What aspect in precises terms that he needs 905?
What on court experience in precise? And shooting needs on court experience? If you say blowby his man with advanced moves needs experience, I would agree, but really shooting as it is more practice than experience needs to be on court?


Needs in game reps. Even if he stays in 905 for half the year and plays 35+ a night, that's better than playing 5-7min a night with big club. If Raps season goes sour, they can decide then to bring him up. He needs minutes and reps to improve, plain and simple.
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Post#51 » by HangTime » Tue Oct 26, 2021 9:19 pm

Any chance Dalano becomes what everyone thought Shaun Livingston was supposed to become, before his injury.
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Post#52 » by Indeed » Tue Oct 26, 2021 9:40 pm

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Indeed wrote:I don't think my question was answered. What aspect of games he will improve with more minutes?

Or are you thinking that Ben Simmons would improve his shooting by getting even more minutes if he didn't play enough over his career already?


Handling and decision making suspect too, forcing passes in SL and preseason as well. if we want him to succeed as ballhandler/playermaker he needs more reps


I can understanding the decision making, where he was turnover prone.
I think so far he during training with the big club, he has improved that aspect, but I also think he learns more from the big club, particularly during practice.
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Post#53 » by BryceMaxJames » Tue Oct 26, 2021 9:54 pm

Indeed wrote:Outside of his lack of shooting, I think he is better than Dragic, which is why I think he should stay with the main team instead of 905.

It is just Dragic needs to gain his value, otherwise, I would have Banton as the backup PG for 10mins a game.


He is our Ben Simmons but not afraid to shoot.
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Post#54 » by ontnut » Tue Oct 26, 2021 10:07 pm

lolwut wrote:
Raps in 4 wrote:
DIEHARD_005 wrote:Right now, my biggest knock on him is that he didnt know how to pronounce Queens Quay or Roncesvalles.


Whoever the **** decided that quay is pronounced "key" should have been shot out of a cannon then and there.

It's probably some weird British pronunciation thing. It's like how "Thames" is pronounced "Tams".

Quay spelling came from the French. But the traditional British pronunciation for a wharf was always "key". Guess we kept the French spelling, but also kept the English pronunciation.
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Post#55 » by Jadoogar » Tue Oct 26, 2021 10:15 pm

i know we lack shooting so i get why Dragic is playing but i think we should commit fully to our defense and run approach. We're going to be a bad offensive team either way so might as well lean into our strengths.
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Post#56 » by Westside Gunn » Tue Oct 26, 2021 10:22 pm

With his access to facilities I would just work on shooting and shooting alone. He looks good in all other areas.
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Post#57 » by sidsid » Tue Oct 26, 2021 11:49 pm

Indeed wrote:
alpngso wrote:
Indeed wrote:I don't think my question was answered. What aspect of games he will improve with more minutes?

Or are you thinking that Ben Simmons would improve his shooting by getting even more minutes if he didn't play enough over his career already?


Handling and decision making suspect too, forcing passes in SL and preseason as well. if we want him to succeed as ballhandler/playermaker he needs more reps


I can understanding the decision making, where he was turnover prone.
I think so far he during training with the big club, he has improved that aspect, but I also think he learns more from the big club, particularly during practice.


It's more that he needs to develop skills in game situations on top of just getting more reps in general. He can be the main guy on the 905 with a ton of minutes and attention to speed up that process.

Flynn on the other hand is more like FVV. Comes in with a developed skillset and needs to see how much of it translates at his size against NBA size and skill.

Dragic is just gumming up the plan right now.
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Post#58 » by Indeed » Wed Oct 27, 2021 12:00 am

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Indeed wrote:
alpngso wrote:
Handling and decision making suspect too, forcing passes in SL and preseason as well. if we want him to succeed as ballhandler/playermaker he needs more reps


I can understanding the decision making, where he was turnover prone.
I think so far he during training with the big club, he has improved that aspect, but I also think he learns more from the big club, particularly during practice.


It's more that he needs to develop skills in game situations on top of just getting more reps in general. He can be the main guy on the 905 with a ton of minutes and attention to speed up that process.

Flynn on the other hand is more like FVV. Comes in with a developed skillset and needs to see how much of it translates at his size against NBA size and skill.

Dragic is just gumming up the plan right now.


More reps in 905? Not sure that will translate.
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Post#59 » by Ackshun » Wed Oct 27, 2021 12:13 am

Indeed wrote:
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Indeed wrote:
I can understanding the decision making, where he was turnover prone.
I think so far he during training with the big club, he has improved that aspect, but I also think he learns more from the big club, particularly during practice.


It's more that he needs to develop skills in game situations on top of just getting more reps in general. He can be the main guy on the 905 with a ton of minutes and attention to speed up that process.

Flynn on the other hand is more like FVV. Comes in with a developed skillset and needs to see how much of it translates at his size against NBA size and skill.

Dragic is just gumming up the plan right now.


More reps in 905? Not sure that will translate.


Interesting discussion about the role of the development league. Is he better off playing 34mpg against G League talent or 7mpg against NBA talent? Also, we cant discount the reps in practice/scrimmage.

It's a tough one. But for thought - Kevin Porter, Lindell Wigginton and Oshae led the league in minutes last year.
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Re: Dalano Banton Discussion 

Post#60 » by Gold Dragon » Wed Oct 27, 2021 12:29 am

It is not either or between 905 and Raptor minutes. Banton can have both if he goes up and down over the season. So he plays 30 min a game in 905 and work on skills, experimentation and 5 min a game with the Raptors to have nba experience.

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