So what COULD we have gotten for Kyle Lowry?

[planetmars]

If you take Lowry's word for it, then he told management he didn't want to get traded and wanted to finish the season with the Raptors

https://ca.sports.yahoo.com/news/kyle-lowry-sheds-light-on-why-raptors-didnt-move-him-at-trade-deadline-133531707.html

[kalel123]

There were multiple reports piecing together the potential 76ers deal.

Maxey, Danny Green to a 3rd team and then the pieces that were traded for George Hill as the extra salary ballast. The 76ers had their first round pick available as well. Add to that any compensation from flipping Green.

Precious was absolutely on the table from Miami and its unclear if Robinson was. Herro certainly was not on the table.

It's unfortunate that a lot of people would rather put their head in the sand than admit the Lowry return was underwhelming. Maxey has been outstanding this year and almost led the severely shorthanded 76ers to a win against the defending champs last night.

But we don't know. If the Lakers were refusing to deal THT, it's very possible the 76ers were refusing to deal Maxey.

This idea that somehow we know and that we missed out is ridiculous. Only Masai and Bobby know what's up.

Precious is not a bad return. People are worrying about a 22 year old center who is raw but very talented. We've told him to be hyper aggressive and now we're starting to reign him in a bit. I wouldn't be shocked to see that TS to climb. Especially with him coming off the bench now.

Agreed on all fronts.

If Ujiri and Webster were supposedly willing to accept Horton-Tucker, why would they say no to Maxey? Something doesn't make sense here and based on what we've learned about Sixers and Morey and how they work over the last year, it's pretty easy to guess who's lying to serve their needs.

And Precious is not a bad return at all. He's not perfect and no guaranteed he'll get there but the tools are all there.

[Indeed]

They would have gave us Nunn too bc they weren't bringing him back anyways

Or we can do S&T for Nunn (5m) + Iggy (15m) instead of Dragic (19.6m)
With Nunn filling another roster spot, perhaps we can have 15 players instead of waiving someone a month in and have 14 players. Or we can pay Nunn for an addition 1m if he asks for more.

Siakam/Barnes/OG/Trent/VanVleet
Achiuwa/Boucher/Mykhailiuk/Nunn/Banton
Birch/Watanabe/Bonga/Flynn

[Johnny Bball]

There were multiple reports piecing together the potential 76ers deal.

Maxey, Danny Green to a 3rd team and then the pieces that were traded for George Hill as the extra salary ballast. The 76ers had their first round pick available as well. Add to that any compensation from flipping Green.

Precious was absolutely on the table from Miami and its unclear if Robinson was. Herro certainly was not on the table.

It's unfortunate that a lot of people would rather put their head in the sand than admit the Lowry return was underwhelming. Maxey has been outstanding this year and almost led the severely shorthanded 76ers to a win against the defending champs last night.

There was one report and you have been hanging your hat on something that doesn't even make sense for a year now.

And if you think Maxey has been outstanding, I'm just going to laugh. He's been almost exactly the same. He's just playing more minutes. But that would require you watched or even looked.

[tecumseh18]

Its so weird that people invest so much time in rumors that we now cite them as facts (see the Maxey narratives).

To answer the question though, we likely will never know, and as such, should not care.

Supposedly, the return was anywhere from 1 pick to 1 pick + 1 player. Based on everything Morey said, I really doubt he would've gone as high as 3 assets.

Whether that player could've been Maxey, who really knows. Honestly, I'm fine with "missing out" on Maxey - there are lots of decent PGs out there.

The only solid rumour was that it never even got to discussion of draft picks with the Sixers. Reading the tea leaves (despite vvv's counsel not to bother), Maxey and salary filler were the only assets on the table. Maxey's not a bad player, but he's just not what the Raps are looking for right now. I actually take Morey at his word that he was conserving draft capital for the big fish who may come on the market (Dame, Beal).

Nunn had domestic violence allegations against him, and after TDII there is no way the Raptors would have gone in that direction. They wanted Precious who actually played well before the trade deadline. So Riley didn't want to let him go, and opted to pick up Dipo for basically nothing. Again, understandable. (The only thing I fail to understand is the Lakers' obsession with keeping THT.)

The complicating factor in all of this was that Lowry wanted to go somewhere where his Bird rights would be meaningful and they were willing to offer him the big contract in the summer. We have no idea how that affected negotiations.

[Pooh_Jeter]

There were multiple reports piecing together the potential 76ers deal.

Maxey, Danny Green to a 3rd team and then the pieces that were traded for George Hill as the extra salary ballast. The 76ers had their first round pick available as well. Add to that any compensation from flipping Green.

Precious was absolutely on the table from Miami and its unclear if Robinson was. Herro certainly was not on the table.

It's unfortunate that a lot of people would rather put their head in the sand than admit the Lowry return was underwhelming. Maxey has been outstanding this year and almost led the severely shorthanded 76ers to a win against the defending champs last night.

But we don't know. If the Lakers were refusing to deal THT, it's very possible the 76ers were refusing to deal Maxey.

This idea that somehow we know and that we missed out is ridiculous. Only Masai and Bobby know what's up.

Precious is not a bad return. People are worrying about a 22 year old center who is raw but very talented. We've told him to be hyper aggressive and now we're starting to reign him in a bit. I wouldn't be shocked to see that TS to climb. Especially with him coming off the bench now.

We had multiple reports that Maxey was on the table and we had definitive reports that the Lakers didn't have interest in dealing THT. The barometer can't be that only Bobby and Masai know otherwise what are we even doing here.

Precious is bad. He fell out of Heat's rotation last year because of his poor play and has already fallen from a starting position here. He isn't particularly good defensively and the one thing you NEED him to do offensively (finish around the basket) is a weakness for him. He can obviously improve, but he is wholly replaceable. For a team that is still lacking front court options it's a pretty big indictment that he can't be a positive on the court. Right now he is the only player on the Raptors who has provided negative VORP.

[Raptors_128]

I would have preferred the Westbrook package over what we got honestly. Who knows if that was available at the deadline but, if the Lakers were smart they would traded for Lowry over Westbrook.

Kuzma + KCP + Harrell + 1st

We could have flipped all 3 for value easily too.

[2019nbachamps]

If you take Lowry's word for it, then he told management he didn't want to get traded and wanted to finish the season with the Raptors

https://ca.sports.yahoo.com/news/kyle-lowry-sheds-light-on-why-raptors-didnt-move-him-at-trade-deadline-133531707.html

What confuses me about this is our media team and Lowry himself were heavily insinuating he’d be gone the game right before the deadline. Why would Lowry green light a trade and then change his mind on deadline day? Seems like the Raptors didn’t like the offers and were unwilling to pull the trigger.

[Quattro]

There were multiple reports piecing together the potential 76ers deal.

Maxey, Danny Green to a 3rd team and then the pieces that were traded for George Hill as the extra salary ballast. The 76ers had their first round pick available as well. Add to that any compensation from flipping Green.

Precious was absolutely on the table from Miami and its unclear if Robinson was. Herro certainly was not on the table.

It's unfortunate that a lot of people would rather put their head in the sand than admit the Lowry return was underwhelming. Maxey has been outstanding this year and almost led the severely shorthanded 76ers to a win against the defending champs last night.

Masai did almost as bad a job with this trade as his awful draft pick Scottie Barnes huh? You know, the pick you trashed all through the summer?

[tecumseh18]

I would have preferred the Westbrook package over what we got honestly. Who knows if that was available at the deadline but, if the Lakers were smart they would traded for Lowry over Westbrook.

Kuzma + KCP + Harrell + 1st

We could have flipped all 3 for value easily too.

Westbrook was already under contract - which made for a straightforward transaction. Trading a 2021 1st in a sign and trade for Lowry in the summer wasn't going to happen. The FRP couldn't have been available at the deadline. And KCPs contract is horrible.

[Pooh_Jeter]

There were multiple reports piecing together the potential 76ers deal.

Maxey, Danny Green to a 3rd team and then the pieces that were traded for George Hill as the extra salary ballast. The 76ers had their first round pick available as well. Add to that any compensation from flipping Green.

Precious was absolutely on the table from Miami and its unclear if Robinson was. Herro certainly was not on the table.

It's unfortunate that a lot of people would rather put their head in the sand than admit the Lowry return was underwhelming. Maxey has been outstanding this year and almost led the severely shorthanded 76ers to a win against the defending champs last night.

There was one report and you have been hanging your hat on something that doesn't even make sense for a year now.

And if you think Maxey has been outstanding, I'm just going to laugh. He's been almost exactly the same. He's just playing more minutes. But that would require you watched or even looked.

Yes, other than improving his PER by 2 points, TS% by over 4 points (Higher than FVV's) and his win shares per game all while starting on one of the best teams in the East he has been almost exactly the same.

It would be best if you dealt in facts rather than insults.

[Johnny Bball]

There were multiple reports piecing together the potential 76ers deal.

Maxey, Danny Green to a 3rd team and then the pieces that were traded for George Hill as the extra salary ballast. The 76ers had their first round pick available as well. Add to that any compensation from flipping Green.

Precious was absolutely on the table from Miami and its unclear if Robinson was. Herro certainly was not on the table.

It's unfortunate that a lot of people would rather put their head in the sand than admit the Lowry return was underwhelming. Maxey has been outstanding this year and almost led the severely shorthanded 76ers to a win against the defending champs last night.

But we don't know. If the Lakers were refusing to deal THT, it's very possible the 76ers were refusing to deal Maxey.

This idea that somehow we know and that we missed out is ridiculous. Only Masai and Bobby know what's up.

Precious is not a bad return. People are worrying about a 22 year old center who is raw but very talented. We've told him to be hyper aggressive and now we're starting to reign him in a bit. I wouldn't be shocked to see that TS to climb. Especially with him coming off the bench now.

We had multiple reports that Maxey was on the table and we had definitive reports that the Lakers didn't have interest in dealing THT. The barometer can't be that only Bobby and Masai know otherwise what are we even doing here.

Precious is bad. He fell out of Heat's rotation last year because of his poor play and has already fallen from a starting position here. He isn't particularly good defensively and the one thing you NEED him to do offensively (finish around the basket) is a weakness for him. He can obviously improve, but he is wholly replaceable. For a team that is still lacking front court options it's a pretty big indictment that he can't be a positive on the court. Right now he is the only player on the Raptors who has provided negative VORP.

Prove it. Prove there were multiple reports and they are all not based on the same one piece of make beleive.

And reports from you don't count, since they would be overly biased.

I mean.. I get you've been right about so little that this is hard to let go, but eventually everyone else is going to see it makes little sense. They sure as hell didn't get a promise from Lowry he would re-sign, because Lowry wanted to go to Miami. He signed at 6:01. And you think they were willing to give up, what was it..."multiple FRPs and prospects" for a rental? Has any team ever offered that up for a rental that might not have put them over the top? And that pillaged their depth?

[tecumseh18]

Precious is bad. He fell out of Heat's rotation last year because of his poor play and has already fallen from a starting position here. He isn't particularly good defensively and the one thing you NEED him to do offensively (finish around the basket) is a weakness for him. He can obviously improve, but he is wholly replaceable. For a team that is still lacking front court options it's a pretty big indictment that he can't be a positive on the court. Right now he is the only player on the Raptors who has provided negative VORP.

I remember early in KD's career (second year probably) when an analytics guy pointed out that he was a net negative and that OKC would win more games by benching him.

I'd be worried if Precious NEVER showed flashes of brilliance. But he does.

[Johnny Bball]

There were multiple reports piecing together the potential 76ers deal.

Maxey, Danny Green to a 3rd team and then the pieces that were traded for George Hill as the extra salary ballast. The 76ers had their first round pick available as well. Add to that any compensation from flipping Green.

Precious was absolutely on the table from Miami and its unclear if Robinson was. Herro certainly was not on the table.

It's unfortunate that a lot of people would rather put their head in the sand than admit the Lowry return was underwhelming. Maxey has been outstanding this year and almost led the severely shorthanded 76ers to a win against the defending champs last night.

There was one report and you have been hanging your hat on something that doesn't even make sense for a year now.

And if you think Maxey has been outstanding, I'm just going to laugh. He's been almost exactly the same. He's just playing more minutes. But that would require you watched or even looked.

Yes, other than improving his PER by 2 points, TS% by over 4 points (Higher than FVV's) and his win shares per game all while starting on one of the best teams in the East he has been almost exactly the same.

It would be best if you dealt in facts rather than insults.

His per 36 numbers are near identical other than his 3 point shooting which is the only real outlier. And it is an outlier. But you didn't even know before posting. That amuses me. And those are facts... there's a little link for you to suffer through.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/maxeyty01.html

[Raptors_128]

I would have preferred the Westbrook package over what we got honestly. Who knows if that was available at the deadline but, if the Lakers were smart they would traded for Lowry over Westbrook.

Kuzma + KCP + Harrell + 1st

We could have flipped all 3 for value easily too.

Westbrook was already under contract - which made for a straightforward transaction. Trading a 2021 1st in a sign and trade for Lowry in the summer wasn't going to happen. The FRP couldn't have been available at the deadline. And KCPs contract is horrible.

It would have to be a 2027 1st which is probably a better pick for us. I don’t agree with that, 3-and-D wings that shoot 40% from 3 always have value in this league. 2 years at $13.5 mill per year is not bad at all for a decent 3–and-D wing.

[bbalnation]

During a rebuild, the value of:

Telling the rest of the league that the Toronto Raptors led by Masai Ujiri (and Bobby) will never be strong armed or rushed into a deal and they always need to have equal or more value in a trade

Is Greater Than

Anything we could have gotten for 2 months of Kyle Lowry.

Building organizational long term success takes time. Part of that is setting the tone in negotiations if it has to be done. It may help us in a future Kawhi type trade. It may not. Either way, you make deals that are fair, otherwise GMs will take note, and make similar lowball offers in the future.

[Duffman100]

22 year old bigs are finished products. That’s what I’m learning here on RealGM

[Tor_Raps]

Considering we traded Jonas, Delon Wright and a 1st round pick for Gasol who was on the downside of his career too... I think Masai was expecting something similar or slightly less.

It's laughable that a team like the Sixers didn't want to part with C level prospects. They could have won the title last season with Lowry with the way things broke last playoffs.

[Kingsway_fan]

Kyle is on the downhill now.. sure he will have some stellar games left in him, but more than not they will be many clunkers.... in between.... others like phily just weren't willing to offer more and masai was left with little choice in the end... we move on. Lowry got paid.

[vini_vidi_vici]

22 year old bigs are finished products. That’s what I’m learning here on RealGM

Not only that, but one of the best PnR D bigs in the league "isnt particularly good defensively".