Official Scottie Barnes Thread 2

[vulture]

I'd also be tempted to dial back Scottie's mins, but more so because he looks to be laboring out there. Is he playing hurt? He definitely seemed to be protecting his right knee vs. Bucks.

he got hip checked in the first quarter and he was laboring for sure. He will ok, but dialing back the mins will not happen since the raptors have 6 games in 8 days coming up unfortunately.

He also sat out a game due to knee tendonitis after getting cleared post covid and was getting his knee worked on in the 1st q by the training staff. I'd sit him somewhere in that stretch just to be safe. Protect the franchise. Nurse will make Pascal and Fred play all 8 @ 40+ mins lol.

I don't think they would play him if he was really hurting. They'll find him some rest eventually.

[Madhouse]

It's a shame that we've seen him become less involved in the offense, given the injury/covid riddled teams we've been playing. Overall it's a good problem to have though and I'm not worried about it. I'm sure at some point OG or Siakam will be out of the lineup again, and Scottie will fill in, he'll get his chance.

My hope is that Scottie's assists come up while his shots are down, that he's able to evolve into more of a facilitator with this current lineup. His FGA's are way down (7.3 FGA over the last 3 games), but his assists are only slightly up (4.0 over last 3 games).

I think he's fully capable of averaging 5-6 APG over the back half of the season with a healthy lineup. Even with his points coming down, Scottie averaging 10 PTS / 8 REB / 5 AST would be super impactful for us.

I could see his assists go up slightly but think his turnovers will rise more than his assists per game. I see something like 4.0-4.5 assists and 3.0-3.5 turnovers per game. His rebounds should come down slightly with the 3 big men in there and also Siakam so I think he settles for the rest of the season at 9/7/4.

[Dude-niagara]

I'm sensing a trend of rationalizing Scotties play of late by looking at team dynamics and pointing at possible problems. That's nuts.

Scottie was in protocol, had some knee tendonitis, still has issues with his thumb, has played a ton of minutes for a rookie and that's created a little rookie wall for him. It may last as long as the all-star break. In fact a couple of games of load management should be in order. Not worried about Scottie in the least. More worried about irrational expectations from RGM.

I am more worried that as a 5 option and PG who always looks to call his own number or his buddy Siakam , Scottie is lucky to break double digit attempts the rest of the way. Unless Siakam and Fred lead this team past the second round the team needs to trade one out before next season

[everdiso]

Scottie's averaged 33.4mpg and 15.1usg% in the new lineup, and that's coming back from injury.

And tbh he's been passing up shots and forcing passes a bit since he got back, too. He's had the opportunities to get that usage up closer to 20%. Has ended up forcing passes into turnovers instead tho.

[alienchild]

I'm sensing a trend of rationalizing Scotties play of late by looking at team dynamics and pointing at possible problems. That's nuts.

Scottie was in protocol, had some knee tendonitis, still has issues with his thumb, has played a ton of minutes for a rookie and that's created a little rookie wall for him. It may last as long as the all-star break. In fact a couple of games of load management should be in order. Not worried about Scottie in the least. More worried about irrational expectations from RGM.

I am more worried that as a 5 option and PG who always looks to call his own number or his buddy Siakam , Scottie is lucky to break double digit attempts the rest of the way. Unless Siakam and Fred lead this team past the second round the team needs to trade one out before next season

Keep worrying and wondering. It may stop you from irrational solutions.

[Madhouse]

Scottie's averaged 33.4mpg and 15.1usg% in the new lineup, and that's coming back from injury.

And tbh he's been passing up shots and forcing passes a bit since he got back, too. He's had the opportunities to get that usage up closer to 20%. Has ended up forcing passes into turnovers instead tho.

That is his new role now. He is going to look passing the ball almost exclusively now and I assume there will be quiet a few forced passes in there leading to increased turnovers. Games like he had against Milwaukee are probably not going to be a rarity.

[Dude-niagara]

Scottie's averaged 33.4mpg and 15.1usg% in the new lineup, and that's coming back from injury.

And tbh he's been passing up shots and forcing passes a bit since he got back, too. He's had the opportunities to get that usage up closer to 20%. Has ended up forcing passes into turnovers instead tho.

That is his new role now. He is going to look passing the ball almost exclusively now and I assume there will be quiet a few forced passes in there leading to increased turnovers. Games like he had against Milwaukee are probably not going to be a rarity.

All points to Siakam and Fred , Scottie has lost his confidence and not being aggressive . They also have him hanging out in the corner so Siakam can go ISO. Siakam has totally changed how Scottie plays and that is a reflection on his PPG. Now you have people questioning what is up with Scottie when the answer is very clear. Either Masai steps in before next season or he will jus continue to lose confidence and turn into a garbage man player. Why are other rookies getting better as season moves on? it's because their teams are making them the focus. Nurse has put development into the garbage chasing fake wins over teams missing top players and playing with scrubs. Tonight is no different

You think the Jazz will have even one decent player, yet Fred & Siakam will both be stat padding while Scottie does the junkyard dog work and then gets crapped on for not producing.

[Badonkadonk]

Scottie's averaged 33.4mpg and 15.1usg% in the new lineup, and that's coming back from injury.

And tbh he's been passing up shots and forcing passes a bit since he got back, too. He's had the opportunities to get that usage up closer to 20%. Has ended up forcing passes into turnovers instead tho.

That is his new role now. He is going to look passing the ball almost exclusively now and I assume there will be quiet a few forced passes in there leading to increased turnovers. Games like he had against Milwaukee are probably not going to be a rarity.

All points to Siakam and Fred , Scottie has lost his confidence and not being aggressive . They also have him hanging out in the corner so Siakam can go ISO. Siakam has totally changed how Scottie plays and that is a reflection on his PPG. Now you have people questioning what is up with Scottie when the answer is very clear. Either Masai steps in before next season or he will jus continue to lose confidence and turn into a garbage man player. Why are other rookies getting better as season moves on? it's because their teams are making them the focus. Nurse has put development into the garbage chasing fake wins over teams missing top players and playing with scrubs. Tonight is no different

This is a wild take.

He's fine, stop being dramatic. What's far more likely is what happens to literally every college player - adjusting to the schedule and grind of the NBA (exacerbated by his recent injury).

[Madhouse]

Scottie's averaged 33.4mpg and 15.1usg% in the new lineup, and that's coming back from injury.

And tbh he's been passing up shots and forcing passes a bit since he got back, too. He's had the opportunities to get that usage up closer to 20%. Has ended up forcing passes into turnovers instead tho.

That is his new role now. He is going to look passing the ball almost exclusively now and I assume there will be quiet a few forced passes in there leading to increased turnovers. Games like he had against Milwaukee are probably not going to be a rarity.

All points to Siakam and Fred , Scottie has lost his confidence and not being aggressive . They also have him hanging out in the corner so Siakam can go ISO. Siakam has totally changed how Scottie plays and that is a reflection on his PPG. Now you have people questioning what is up with Scottie when the answer is very clear. Either Masai steps in before next season or he will jus continue to lose confidence and turn into a garbage man player. Why are other rookies getting better as season moves on? it's because their teams are making them the focus. Nurse has put development into the garbage chasing fake wins over teams missing top players and playing with scrubs. Tonight is no different

I'm not going to judge it.

Pascal and Fred are playing very well right now and the Raptors are winning games. But Barnes will struggle in the position he is being put in a lot more than he has before.

I'm not drawing conclusions from it but that's just how it is.

[everdiso]

Scottie's averaged 33.4mpg and 15.1usg% in the new lineup, and that's coming back from injury.

And tbh he's been passing up shots and forcing passes a bit since he got back, too. He's had the opportunities to get that usage up closer to 20%. Has ended up forcing passes into turnovers instead tho.

That is his new role now. He is going to look passing the ball almost exclusively now and I assume there will be quiet a few forced passes in there leading to increased turnovers. Games like he had against Milwaukee are probably not going to be a rarity.

Nah it sure looks to me like he's been forcing passes in situations his teammates expected him to shoot. More than a few times and a bunch of turnovers as a result.

[Madhouse]

Scottie's averaged 33.4mpg and 15.1usg% in the new lineup, and that's coming back from injury.

And tbh he's been passing up shots and forcing passes a bit since he got back, too. He's had the opportunities to get that usage up closer to 20%. Has ended up forcing passes into turnovers instead tho.

That is his new role now. He is going to look passing the ball almost exclusively now and I assume there will be quiet a few forced passes in there leading to increased turnovers. Games like he had against Milwaukee are probably not going to be a rarity.

Nah it sure looks to me like he's been forcing passes in situations his teammates expected him to shoot. More than a few times and a bunch of turnovers as a result.

That's a result of his role. VanVleet talked about sacrifices have to be made and it's obvious that he talked about Barnes. He is a pass first player anyway and now that he is being told to pass even more and looking to play a Marc Gasol type role this mindset will strengthen even more. This makes him easier to read as a defense, jumping into passing lanes easier and him less aggressive. That he is going to pass up attempts to shoot the ball shouldn't be surprising.

[everdiso]

That is his new role now. He is going to look passing the ball almost exclusively now and I assume there will be quiet a few forced passes in there leading to increased turnovers. Games like he had against Milwaukee are probably not going to be a rarity.

Nah it sure looks to me like he's been forcing passes in situations his teammates expected him to shoot. More than a few times and a bunch of turnovers as a result.

That's a result of his role. VanVleet talked about sacrifices have to be made and it's obvious that he talked about Barnes. He is a pass first player anyway and now that he is being told to pass even more and looking to play a Marc Gasol type role this mindset will strengthen even more. This makes him easier to read as a defense, jumping into passing lanes easier and him less aggressive. That he is going to pass up attempts to shoot the ball shouldn't be surprising.

Did you even read that quote? Fred said specifically that which guys sacrifice has to change depend on the circumstance.

And again - scottie passing when it sure looks like everyone else expects him to shoot doesn't seem like him playing his role right.

[Madhouse]

Nah it sure looks to me like he's been forcing passes in situations his teammates expected him to shoot. More than a few times and a bunch of turnovers as a result.

That's a result of his role. VanVleet talked about sacrifices have to be made and it's obvious that he talked about Barnes. He is a pass first player anyway and now that he is being told to pass even more and looking to play a Marc Gasol type role this mindset will strengthen even more. This makes him easier to read as a defense, jumping into passing lanes easier and him less aggressive. That he is going to pass up attempts to shoot the ball shouldn't be surprising.

Did you even read that quote? Fred said specifically that which guys sacrifice has to change depend on the circumstance.

And again - scottie passing when it sure looks like everyone else expects him to shoot doesn't seem like him playing his role right.

It can change but mostly it will Barnes who will be sacrificed as a rookie because 4 scorers are on the court and can put up points, it does make sense for the team. What everyone expects during the game is one thing and I'm not doubting that he will pass up good scoring chances to pass. There is a reason Nurse said Barnes needs to take xyz many shots because that's his problem. This new role enhances him to be more passive. Looking to and forcing passes when he should not. To change his mindset with a full lineup is going to be extremely challenging.

[Psubs]

That's a result of his role. VanVleet talked about sacrifices have to be made and it's obvious that he talked about Barnes. He is a pass first player anyway and now that he is being told to pass even more and looking to play a Marc Gasol type role this mindset will strengthen even more. This makes him easier to read as a defense, jumping into passing lanes easier and him less aggressive. That he is going to pass up attempts to shoot the ball shouldn't be surprising.

Did you even read that quote? Fred said specifically that which guys sacrifice has to change depend on the circumstance.

And again - scottie passing when it sure looks like everyone else expects him to shoot doesn't seem like him playing his role right.

It can change but mostly it will Barnes who will be sacrificed as a rookie because 4 scorers are on the court and can put up points, it does make sense for the team. What everyone expects during the game is one thing and I'm not doubting that he will pass up good scoring chances to pass. There is a reason Nurse said Barnes needs to take xyz many shots because that's his problem. This new role enhances him to be more passive. Looking to and forcing passes when he should not. To change his mindset with a full lineup is going to be extremely challenging.

You do know that he came off the bench at Florida St and averaged 10.3 ppg on 8 shots per game.

[Madhouse]

Did you even read that quote? Fred said specifically that which guys sacrifice has to change depend on the circumstance.

And again - scottie passing when it sure looks like everyone else expects him to shoot doesn't seem like him playing his role right.

It can change but mostly it will Barnes who will be sacrificed as a rookie because 4 scorers are on the court and can put up points, it does make sense for the team. What everyone expects during the game is one thing and I'm not doubting that he will pass up good scoring chances to pass. There is a reason Nurse said Barnes needs to take xyz many shots because that's his problem. This new role enhances him to be more passive. Looking to and forcing passes when he should not. To change his mindset with a full lineup is going to be extremely challenging.

You do know that he came off the bench at Florida St and averaged 10.3 ppg on 8 shots per game.

College basketball is a bit different though. Even when you are coming in as an elite freshman you are usually surrounded by much lesser talented players and see the need to do it yourself. That was the case for him. The next 2 best players were 2 late 2nd rounders. When I'm Barnes as a pass first player, have 4 scorers/shooters next to, am a rookie and I'm told I'm supposed to play the Marc Gasol role, I'm naturally looking to defer. Probably more than I should. And maybe it's just talk by Nurse but if not it's difficult to change that mindset in this situation. 10 PPG on 8 shots seems pretty realistic to me though with a full lineup. He took 9,7 and 6 shots the last 3 games so that seems realistic. As long as those 8 shots are good I don't really mind it personally when the offense is humming. It becomes a problem to me when he is camping at the 3 point line. If he completely loses his aggression and doesn't drive to the basket at all anymore, then it becomes a problem.

[Johnny Bball]

I don't know Barnes but I'm going to guess the one thing you could never take from him is his confidence in himself.

[youngRAPZ]

Scottie's averaged 33.4mpg and 15.1usg% in the new lineup, and that's coming back from injury.

And tbh he's been passing up shots and forcing passes a bit since he got back, too. He's had the opportunities to get that usage up closer to 20%. Has ended up forcing passes into turnovers instead tho.

That is his new role now. He is going to look passing the ball almost exclusively now and I assume there will be quiet a few forced passes in there leading to increased turnovers. Games like he had against Milwaukee are probably not going to be a rarity.

All points to Siakam and Fred , Scottie has lost his confidence and not being aggressive . They also have him hanging out in the corner so Siakam can go ISO. Siakam has totally changed how Scottie plays and that is a reflection on his PPG. Now you have people questioning what is up with Scottie when the answer is very clear. Either Masai steps in before next season or he will jus continue to lose confidence and turn into a garbage man player. Why are other rookies getting better as season moves on? it's because their teams are making them the focus. Nurse has put development into the garbage chasing fake wins over teams missing top players and playing with scrubs. Tonight is no different

You think the Jazz will have even one decent player, yet Fred & Siakam will both be stat padding while Scottie does the junkyard dog work and then gets crapped on for not producing.

Your takes on what is happening is so agenda driven give it a rest buddy Masai ain’t trading Fred or Pascal and it’s funny you claim they gotta lead us past the 2nd round or Masai should trade 1. I guess Philly should trade Embid since he hasn’t even been able to do that either.


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[Dude-niagara]

That is his new role now. He is going to look passing the ball almost exclusively now and I assume there will be quiet a few forced passes in there leading to increased turnovers. Games like he had against Milwaukee are probably not going to be a rarity.

All points to Siakam and Fred , Scottie has lost his confidence and not being aggressive . They also have him hanging out in the corner so Siakam can go ISO. Siakam has totally changed how Scottie plays and that is a reflection on his PPG. Now you have people questioning what is up with Scottie when the answer is very clear. Either Masai steps in before next season or he will jus continue to lose confidence and turn into a garbage man player. Why are other rookies getting better as season moves on? it's because their teams are making them the focus. Nurse has put development into the garbage chasing fake wins over teams missing top players and playing with scrubs. Tonight is no different

You think the Jazz will have even one decent player, yet Fred & Siakam will both be stat padding while Scottie does the junkyard dog work and then gets crapped on for not producing.

Your takes on what is happening is so agenda driven give it a rest buddy Masai ain’t trading Fred or Pascal and it’s funny you claim they gotta lead us past the 2nd round or Masai should trade 1. I guess Philly should trade Embid since he hasn’t even been able to do that either.

Let's talk after we go on the road and play team at full strength


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[youngRAPZ]

All points to Siakam and Fred , Scottie has lost his confidence and not being aggressive . They also have him hanging out in the corner so Siakam can go ISO. Siakam has totally changed how Scottie plays and that is a reflection on his PPG. Now you have people questioning what is up with Scottie when the answer is very clear. Either Masai steps in before next season or he will jus continue to lose confidence and turn into a garbage man player. Why are other rookies getting better as season moves on? it's because their teams are making them the focus. Nurse has put development into the garbage chasing fake wins over teams missing top players and playing with scrubs. Tonight is no different

You think the Jazz will have even one decent player, yet Fred & Siakam will both be stat padding while Scottie does the junkyard dog work and then gets crapped on for not producing.

Your takes on what is happening is so agenda driven give it a rest buddy Masai ain’t trading Fred or Pascal and it’s funny you claim they gotta lead us past the 2nd round or Masai should trade 1. I guess Philly should trade Embid since he hasn’t even been able to do that either.

Let's talk after we go on the road and play team at full strength


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Go to bed!


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[Dude-niagara]

Your takes on what is happening is so agenda driven give it a rest buddy Masai ain’t trading Fred or Pascal and it’s funny you claim they gotta lead us past the 2nd round or Masai should trade 1. I guess Philly should trade Embid since he hasn’t even been able to do that either.

Let's talk after we go on the road and play team at full strength


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Go to bed!


This is a Scottie Barnes thread, my agenda is seeing him develop

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