[Fischer] Toronto A Team To Keep An Eye On For Myles Turner Trade

[YogurtProducer]

Turner would be nice, but I am not giving up any of our core 5 guys for him - that would be a lateral move for a guy who really is not any better than anything else we have.

Now, if you can get him for a first this year and some Boucher/Birch/Dragic/Flynn combo (I would probably even give up Banton if necessary) then yes, I am in.

FVV/GTJ/Scottie/OG/Siakam/Turner is a really really good core 6 players. Find a backup PG to be our 7th man, and I think in a playoff series Yuta/Champagnie can handle being your 8th/9th players playing minimal minutes.

[YogurtProducer]

At best our pick this year is like the 16th pick. The only player better than Turner in the 21st century is Vucevic. You trade a first for Turner everyday.

[Tha Cynic]

If you can get Turner without giving up Barnes, Siakam, OG, FVV or multiple firsts, you do it. He would fit in very well on this team.

But, Indiana seems to overvalue him. They're probably better off waiting for the offseason when more teams may be interested. They know he's not signing back with them.

FVV and Siakam have now blown their value through the roof, so if there are offers, you can ask for way more than you would have when the season started. If you look at value around the league though, most of the intriguing players for either of them are 1st or 2nd year players who most teams wouldn't want to give up anyway.

[Morris_Shatford]

I like Turner;
He is a pretty logical fit for this team.

The issue is you get him for a season and change on a fairly reasonable deal before you need to retain him in the same summer that GTJ and FVV likely opt out of their deals.

Turner looks great making 17m a season, but I am not sure how much I am going to love him on that next deal and having to give up what is likely a lot of assets for the privilege of signing him to said deal.

[tecumseh18]

It's not a good year to participate in the trade market. There's no obvious finalists and a lot of teams that are in the mix to make playoff runs. The Raptors likely have a bid on some of these guys, but they have never been the type to trade future firsts to support a middling team (which is what they currently have).

Well, that's the issue, isn't it? Are the Raptors a middling team? They nearly (and should have) just beaten the team with the best record in the league, while missing two starters. But we just haven't seen the healthy vs. healthy games that allow conclusions to be drawn.

Lack of depth is killing us. We see how the depth on the Heat is keeping them afloat while missing one or two all-star level players. So what if we can somehow add Eric Gordon and Turner without touching the Fred-GTJ-Scottie-OG-Pascal core?

Masai traded a FRP for Serge and two (late, late) seconds for PJ Tucker a few years ago, after that core had proven itself before the trade deadline. I expect the same thing to happen this year. Too bad Saturday's game against the white-hot Bucks is a B2B, because beating them would be a real statement game. And then the Heat on Monday, another 3rd game in four nights situation. Perhaps a couple of moral or actual victories in those games would incentivize the Raptors to act. Apparently, 2022 is a pretty weak draft class.

[Backcountry]

I'd rather play and develop an inexpensive talent like Precious than give up significant assets for a player like Turner who isn't a star and who isn't cheap.

We paid Serge a few bucks:
2016-17 Toronto Raptors NBA $12,250,000
2017-18 Toronto Raptors NBA $20,061,729
2018-19 Toronto Raptors NBA $21,666,667
2019-20 Toronto Raptors NBA $23,271,604

And paid Marc a few bucks:
2018-19 Toronto Raptors NBA $24,119,025
2019-20 Toronto Raptors NBA $25,595,700

We do pay guys when it matters. We've managed the budget last year and this year to get out of the repeat payer bracket which leaves us room to grow into a championship quality team.

Ibaka was a 3-time all-defensive player, and DPOY runner-up. Marc was a former DPOY with multiple other accolades. Turner is a good shot blocker.

[Mahoner]

Oh hey, my trade worked!

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y9avjt4w

[OakleyDokely]

I'd rather play and develop an inexpensive talent like Precious than give up significant assets for a player like Turner who isn't a star and who isn't cheap.

We paid Serge a few bucks:
2016-17 Toronto Raptors NBA $12,250,000
2017-18 Toronto Raptors NBA $20,061,729
2018-19 Toronto Raptors NBA $21,666,667
2019-20 Toronto Raptors NBA $23,271,604

And paid Marc a few bucks:
2018-19 Toronto Raptors NBA $24,119,025
2019-20 Toronto Raptors NBA $25,595,700

We do pay guys when it matters. We've managed the budget last year and this year to get out of the repeat payer bracket which leaves us room to grow into a championship quality team.

Ibaka was a 3-time all-defensive player, and DPOY runner-up. Marc was a former DPOY with multiple other accolades. Turner is a good shot blocker.

The Raps were also further along with they added Ibaka/Gasol.

If the Raps were a 50ish win team already, adding Turner would make more sense.

[canz55]

He's such an average player.

When you compare him to Serge which was a brilliant trade at the time. A frontcourt player who can break open a zone with a reliable mid range jumper with defense and rebounding etc. And all we had to give up was Ross.

Turner on the other hand will cost more than Serge did while providing much less value.

Hard no for me.

[Lateral Quicks]

It all comes down to the price. With only one year left on his contract, you can't give up too much. But if he's willing to buy in and fill a low usage role, I'd love to have him - he could really help us. I'd give up a lottery protected first, Dragic, and Flynn for him - doubt Indiana would take that.

[RapsAndJays21]

They are going to want OG and that's a no for me.

Would love Sabonis, but again - I don't see Indy as a good trade partner for us.

[OakleyDokely]

I'd rather accumulate assets and prepare for when a real star becomes available. Maybe Towns asks out of Minny in the offseason. it would be nice to have all our picks (and assets) available if that happens.

Turner doesn't really move the needle much. At least, his presence doesn't make us a contender. But adding a player like Towns could.

[Dalek]

if Turner is unhappy with his role on the Pacers, it's hard to see him being happy with the role he'd get here. And multiple firsts would be out of the question.

Also question his fit on the roster. He couldn't play with a dominant big and he's coming here to play with Barnes and Pascal. We also need to ask the question what do we want our C to do in this line-up. That I'm not sure.

I think as a big who doesn't eat up space in the paint on offense he allows our guys to ISO and create.

As a good option on any pick and pop he has the jumper to make teams pay for loading up on the driver.

Finally, if people load up on FVV up top on the perimeter he can sit in the highpost and be an outlet. Not sure how great a playmaker he would be but he is an upgrade over push shot Birch and clank bro Achuiwa. Even if you want Scottie in that role you can easily move Turner to the corners.

I think OG is logical to be dealt since Scottie could step into that role. Turner provides options.

[JB7]

I'd rather play and develop an inexpensive talent like Precious than give up significant assets for a player like Turner who isn't a star and who isn't cheap.

To add to this, I think the Raps would probably prefer Precious and his mobility at C over Turner. Turner just does not look mobile enough for the new NBA.

[aligator]

Pure fiction. FO is committed to this as an experimental year to play without traditional C. On top of that Precious is improving and is better than average at defensive end. I also believe that the FO is not interested in giving up 1st round picks at this point. Turner is overrated as well and would not move the needle much this year or any other.

[OakleyDokely]

I'd rather play and develop an inexpensive talent like Precious than give up significant assets for a player like Turner who isn't a star and who isn't cheap.

To add to this, I think the Raps would probably prefer Precious and his mobility at C over Turner. Turner just does not look mobile enough for the new NBA.

C's are shooting 54% against Turner this year and players are shooting 49% overall against him.
C's are shooting 43% against Precious this year and players are shooting 46% overall against him.

Turner will get you more blocks and he's a bigger interior presence but I'm not convinced that the defense will dramatically improve because Precious has been very good on that end.

Where you will see a noticeable improvement is offensively because Turner hits 3s on pretty good volume and he's pretty efficient overall. But how much is this really worth to a team like the Raptors who aren't expected to contend?

[Backcountry]

I'd rather play and develop an inexpensive talent like Precious than give up significant assets for a player like Turner who isn't a star and who isn't cheap.

To add to this, I think the Raps would probably prefer Precious and his mobility at C over Turner. Turner just does not look mobile enough for the new NBA.

C's are shooting 54% against Turner this year and players are shooting 49% overall against him.
C's are shooting 43% against Precious this year and players are shooting 46% overall against him.

Turner will get you more blocks and he's a bigger interior presence but I'm not convinced that the defense will dramatically improve because Precious has been very good on that end.

Where you will see a noticeable improvement is offensively because Turner hits 3s on pretty good volume and he's pretty efficient overall. But how much is this really worth to a team like the Raptors who aren't expected to contend?

It's not worth "multiple 1st round picks" or whatever other Cadillac asking price they want for him. People saying trade a bunch of our guys for him? OG? Are they nuts?

[YogurtProducer]

I'd rather play and develop an inexpensive talent like Precious than give up significant assets for a player like Turner who isn't a star and who isn't cheap.

To add to this, I think the Raps would probably prefer Precious and his mobility at C over Turner. Turner just does not look mobile enough for the new NBA.

C's are shooting 54% against Turner this year and players are shooting 49% overall against him.
C's are shooting 43% against Precious this year and players are shooting 46% overall against him.

Turner will get you more blocks and he's a bigger interior presence but I'm not convinced that the defense will dramatically improve because Precious has been very good on that end.

Where you will see a noticeable improvement is offensively because Turner hits 3s on pretty good volume and he's pretty efficient overall. But how much is this really worth to a team like the Raptors who aren't expected to contend?

Precious has been awesome defensively all year, so isn’t quite a fair judgment. Precious also gets pulled when he struggles, turner has to play through it.

Turners main value comes from offensively he is a threat to shoot. Precious is like playing 4 on 5.

A precious/turner 5 rotation would be really nice though

[OakleyDokely]

To add to this, I think the Raps would probably prefer Precious and his mobility at C over Turner. Turner just does not look mobile enough for the new NBA.

C's are shooting 54% against Turner this year and players are shooting 49% overall against him.
C's are shooting 43% against Precious this year and players are shooting 46% overall against him.

Turner will get you more blocks and he's a bigger interior presence but I'm not convinced that the defense will dramatically improve because Precious has been very good on that end.

Where you will see a noticeable improvement is offensively because Turner hits 3s on pretty good volume and he's pretty efficient overall. But how much is this really worth to a team like the Raptors who aren't expected to contend?

It's not worth "multiple 1st round picks" or whatever other Cadillac asking price they want for him. People saying trade a bunch of our guys for him? OG? Are they nuts?

I wouldn't trade for him either. But if I had to make an offer, the most I'd give up is a lottery protected 1st, a young guy like Flynn and expirings.

[WaltFrazier]

if Turner is unhappy with his role on the Pacers, it's hard to see him being happy with the role he'd get here. And multiple firsts would be out of the question.

Also question his fit on the roster. He couldn't play with a dominant big and he's coming here to play with Barnes and Pascal. We also need to ask the question what do we want our C to do in this line-up. That I'm not sure.

I think as a big who doesn't eat up space in the paint on offense he allows our guys to ISO and create.

As a good option on any pick and pop he has the jumper to make teams pay for loading up on the driver.

Finally, if people load up on FVV up top on the perimeter he can sit in the highpost and be an outlet. Not sure how great a playmaker he would be but he is an upgrade over push shot Birch and clank bro Achuiwa. Even if you want Scottie in that role you can easily move Turner to the corners.

I think OG is logical to be dealt since Scottie could step into that role. Turner provides options.

Agree. Think how many times the ball goes to Birch or Precious and the offense just stops. They aren't being guarded midrange or at the 3, so they have to swing it again with no advantage gained. A guy like Turner can catch those passes and pop the midrange J right away, and/or dunk from the dunker spot, plus he can shoot 3's. huge upgrade on offense, plus a shotblocker.

But no not OG, not any of core five.