Official Scottie Barnes Thread - Part 5

[Mikistan]

It's crazy that people don't see the sheer brilliance of Scottie's game. This team will inevitably pivot into playing a style of ball and acquiring players that complement him.

Who doesn't see it? We just see where he's not so good and how that being brilliant isn't the only thing that matters. Josh Giddey is brilliant and I wouldn't build an offense around him. You have to be able to score consistently with the ball in your hands for that to work out. Right now he's mediocre on that front.

What skills or physical measurements make Josh giddy elite?

Does Scottie have a strength advantage, size advantage, and elite vision advantage? Does Josh giddy have the option to posterize people multiple times a game? Scottie does

[MoMan24]

Some of yall talk about Scottie being a number one option like he will try and be Kobe when Shaq left. He would play like Jokic who is technically the 1st option but doesn't take the most shots on his team. He only takes 15 shots a game but the offense runs through him. Scottie is too smart to do things he is not good at and hijack the offense and always look for his. The ball is better in his hands to start positions than anyone else on this roster. 1st option has yall thinking 1st in shot attempts, 1st in dribbles, 1st in time of possession cause Pascal/Fred has conditioned us to ugly and selfish basketball a lot this season.

[Tha Cynic]

It's crazy that people don't see the sheer brilliance of Scottie's game. This team will inevitably pivot into playing a style of ball and acquiring players that complement him.

Who doesn't see it? We just see where he's not so good and how that being brilliant isn't the only thing that matters. Josh Giddey is brilliant and I wouldn't build an offense around him. You have to be able to score consistently with the ball in your hands for that to work out. Right now he's mediocre on that front.

He's really not mediocre though. He had a bad month of November. I'm not sure how we can say FVV is okay being a top option on this team while at the same time saying Barnes can't be. It's like we're using two different goal posts when assessing here.

It's more than abundantly clear that the offense just runs better through Barnes. It's not like Barnes is playing with scrubs. He has a solid roster around him unlike the Rockets or Magic, though not an ideal one for his skillet.

If you watch how the ball has moved this month, that's very much Barnes ball. We see this team revert to more FVV/Siakam ball in the second half of games and it makes the entire offense discombobulated other than Siakam and FVV trying to force a win by grinding it out.

[Tha Cynic]

Some of yall talk about Scottie being a number one option like he will try and be Kobe when Shaq left. He would play like Jokic who is technically the 1st option but doesn't take the most shots on his team. He only takes 15 shots a game but the offense runs through him. Scottie is too smart to do things he is not good at and hijack the offense and always look for his. The ball is better in his hands to start positions than anyone else on this roster. 1st option has yall thinking 1st in shot attempts, 1st in dribbles, 1st in time of possession case Pascal/Fred has conditioned us.

Yeah, I don't get some of the comparisons here. We're talking about Wagner and Jalen Green as better offensive weapon for their teams which completely misses what Barnes does on the floor.

Green is a volume scorer who has no clue how to play the right way and Wagner is well on his way to being a good scorer on a bad team or a 4th or 5th option on a good team. He's not going to lead your team anywhere.

Barnes has shown numerous times that he can win you ball games multiple ways and none of those have ever been as some lethal shooter.

[Spates]

It's crazy that people don't see the sheer brilliance of Scottie's game. This team will inevitably pivot into playing a style of ball and acquiring players that complement him.

Who doesn't see it? We just see where he's not so good and how that being brilliant isn't the only thing that matters. Josh Giddey is brilliant and I wouldn't build an offense around him. You have to be able to score consistently with the ball in your hands for that to work out. Right now he's mediocre on that front.

Everyone who has whined about his game this season when he was assigned to the corners or people complaining that he's not aggressive enough. Barnes may not ever be the leading scorer and maybe he shouldn't be. His game is not at predicated on being an elite scorer. What he brings is excellent vision, anticipation, and an innate sense of getting himself and others to their spots. If he plays with someone else capable of applying pressure and shifting things Scottie will immediately feast.

[HumbleRen]

Some of yall talk about Scottie being a number one option like he will try and be Kobe when Shaq left. He would play like Jokic who is technically the 1st option but doesn't take the most shots on his team. He only takes 15 shots a game but the offense runs through him. Scottie is too smart to do things he is not good at and hijack the offense and always look for his. The ball is better in his hands to start positions than anyone else on this roster. 1st option has yall thinking 1st in shot attempts, 1st in dribbles, 1st in time of possession case Pascal/Fred has conditioned us.

Yeah, I don't get some of the comparisons here. We're talking about Wagner and Jalen Green as better offensive weapon for their teams which completely misses what Barnes does on the floor.

Green is a volume scorer who has no clue how to play the right way and Wagner is well on his way to being a good scorer on a bad team or a 4th or 5th option on a good team. He's not going to lead your team anywhere.

Barnes has shown numerous times that he can win you ball games multiple ways and none of those have ever been as some lethal shooter.

I mean isn't Scottie technically the 4th option on a bad team lol ?

[HumbleRen]

This is dope. Both were labeled the best passers in the draft and they're both currently figuring out the NBA defence at the same time.

[lobosloboslobos]

I am fully aboard the Scottie train and want to see him running the offense more and more, but there's something to be said for not just handing him the reins from the get go. he clearly did not have the offensive drive to dominate when he came into the league, but by making him want more, making him crave that role by not giving it to him, and making him earn it by going out there and showing what he can do, well I support that approach. He is growing into his offense and his leadership and that is fine. having said that at this point he has paid a fair amount of dues and is figuring it out, and understanding what is needed of him, and he is clearly ready for a much bigger load in the second half of this season.

[TorontoBarneys]

If one of our core is traded at the deadline, I hope to see Scottie average 20 PPG for the remainder of the season. He can do it.

[Spates]

Some of yall talk about Scottie being a number one option like he will try and be Kobe when Shaq left. He would play like Jokic who is technically the 1st option but doesn't take the most shots on his team. He only takes 15 shots a game but the offense runs through him. Scottie is too smart to do things he is not good at and hijack the offense and always look for his. The ball is better in his hands to start positions than anyone else on this roster. 1st option has yall thinking 1st in shot attempts, 1st in dribbles, 1st in time of possession case Pascal/Fred has conditioned us.

Yeah, I don't get some of the comparisons here. We're talking about Wagner and Jalen Green as better offensive weapon for their teams which completely misses what Barnes does on the floor.

Green is a volume scorer who has no clue how to play the right way and Wagner is well on his way to being a good scorer on a bad team or a 4th or 5th option on a good team. He's not going to lead your team anywhere.

Barnes has shown numerous times that he can win you ball games multiple ways and none of those have ever been as some lethal shooter.

Hey, hey slow down in the Wagner slander. He's really good. Essentially what I'd like for OG to be.

[Clay Davis]

This is dope. Both were labeled the best passers in the draft and they're both currently figuring out the NBA defence at the same time.

Amazon really **** up in not getting Josh Giddey to play Rand Al'Thor in the Wheel of Time series.

[Madhouse]

All star once Pascal Siakam and Fred are traded

Nope don't need it, just need to get rid of these e 2 guys.

Nah our team record will be too **** for him to make all star game then

just need the right roster construction. More shooters, less ball hogging. Of course Barnes' shooting and shot making needs to improve but it's not a necessity to become an Allstar.

[ATLTimekeeper]

It's crazy that people don't see the sheer brilliance of Scottie's game. This team will inevitably pivot into playing a style of ball and acquiring players that complement him.

Who doesn't see it? We just see where he's not so good and how that being brilliant isn't the only thing that matters. Josh Giddey is brilliant and I wouldn't build an offense around him. You have to be able to score consistently with the ball in your hands for that to work out. Right now he's mediocre on that front.

What skills or physical measurements make Josh giddy elite?

Does Scottie have a strength advantage, size advantage, and elite vision advantage? Does Josh giddy have the option to posterize people multiple times a game? Scottie does

What does any of this have to do with scoring?

[ChillPill]

Scottie is developing really well, not sure why there's angst around that.

[ATLTimekeeper]

It's crazy that people don't see the sheer brilliance of Scottie's game. This team will inevitably pivot into playing a style of ball and acquiring players that complement him.

Who doesn't see it? We just see where he's not so good and how that being brilliant isn't the only thing that matters. Josh Giddey is brilliant and I wouldn't build an offense around him. You have to be able to score consistently with the ball in your hands for that to work out. Right now he's mediocre on that front.

Everyone who has whined about his game this season when he was assigned to the corners or people complaining that he's not aggressive enough. Barnes may not ever be the leading scorer and maybe he shouldn't be. His game is not at predicated on being an elite scorer. What he brings is excellent vision, anticipation, and an innate sense of getting himself and others to their spots. If he plays with someone else capable of applying pressure and shifting things Scottie will immediately feast.

No one thought he wasn't those things, or at least if they did they were in the minority. Most of us are just waiting on his skills to improve so that he can drive offense more effectively than he has. At the very least I want to see him handle the ball more. <6 drives a game is not good for a primary option not named Embiid or Jokic, and to be Embiid or Jokic you have to be a bucket inside the paint at high reps.

[Spates]

Who doesn't see it? We just see where he's not so good and how that being brilliant isn't the only thing that matters. Josh Giddey is brilliant and I wouldn't build an offense around him. You have to be able to score consistently with the ball in your hands for that to work out. Right now he's mediocre on that front.

What skills or physical measurements make Josh giddy elite?

Does Scottie have a strength advantage, size advantage, and elite vision advantage? Does Josh giddy have the option to posterize people multiple times a game? Scottie does

What does any of this have to do with scoring?

Ability to scale up scoring

[ATLTimekeeper]

Some of yall talk about Scottie being a number one option like he will try and be Kobe when Shaq left. He would play like Jokic who is technically the 1st option but doesn't take the most shots on his team. He only takes 15 shots a game but the offense runs through him. Scottie is too smart to do things he is not good at and hijack the offense and always look for his. The ball is better in his hands to start positions than anyone else on this roster. 1st option has yall thinking 1st in shot attempts, 1st in dribbles, 1st in time of possession cause Pascal/Fred has conditioned us to ugly and selfish basketball a lot this season.

Jokic is taking the most shots on the team and averages a super efficient 25. You're making the mistake of not considering his FTAs.

In Jokic's 2nd year he averaged 17/10/5 with a 64% TS in 27 minutes, and even then he was eventually the starter that year. He was surrounded by vets. They were trying to be mediocre. They drafted a point guard the previous draft with their mid-lotto pick. They were reluctant to build around him even then, and he was better suited at that time than Scottie is now.

[Spates]

Who doesn't see it? We just see where he's not so good and how that being brilliant isn't the only thing that matters. Josh Giddey is brilliant and I wouldn't build an offense around him. You have to be able to score consistently with the ball in your hands for that to work out. Right now he's mediocre on that front.

Everyone who has whined about his game this season when he was assigned to the corners or people complaining that he's not aggressive enough. Barnes may not ever be the leading scorer and maybe he shouldn't be. His game is not at predicated on being an elite scorer. What he brings is excellent vision, anticipation, and an innate sense of getting himself and others to their spots. If he plays with someone else capable of applying pressure and shifting things Scottie will immediately feast.

No one thought he wasn't those things, or at least if they did they were in the minority. Most of us are just waiting on his skills to improve so that he can drive offense more effectively than he has. At the very least I want to see him handle the ball more. <6 drives a game is not good for a primary option not named Embiid or Jokic, and to be Embiid or Jokic you have to be a bucket inside the paint at high reps.

I don't think proponents of Barnes are desperate for him to be the primary option. At least I don't see him that way currently. He's just quite effective in the short roll. I want to see more utilization of his reads in the half-court. His passing makes the other players more of a threat and gets everyone involved.

[ItsDanger]

Should view Scottie as primary initiator on offense. Thats scoring and more importantly passing. If he turned into a 20/8/8 guy, that's the objective in my view. That's why this lottery is important, he needs a high BBIQ running mate that's a scorer.

[DreamTeam09]

If you're looking for Scottie to be your teams leading scorer that will not happen. Atleast not a good team.

He may be your best player, but he's not going to be your leading scorer, and that's quite alright. You can still build around that. The brilliance of Scottie is that he does a little bit of everything, as a connector, at high energy.

He's really upped his game by making quick decisions, and still making the right decision. He's not wasting time, or wasting movements.