Hollinger: League wide speculation that POR will trade Simons + #3 for “elite forward”

[HumbleRen]

It isn't, especially if Scoot falls to 3 but we'll agree to disagree lol.

Simons and 3 for OG and 13 feels like Raps get the better end of the deal here, as much as I love OG. I mean, getting a #3 pick in a 3 player draft is usually the price for a legit current all-star. Ray Allen got traded for #5.

Yes, but Ray Allen was also 32 when he got traded, and OG is 25.

Ray Allen at 32 was still light years ahead of OG lol.

If Portland is going to cash in their 3rd pick. It’s not going to be for one of the worst creators on high volume attempts in OG.

It’s going to be Siakam or forwards with that level of creation ability.

[kalel123]

I'd seriously consider pulling the trigger if I'm Raptors for Siakam. (and even keep #13 to boot) But I highly doubt they go in that direction. I see them doing the opposite. Trade #13 for an immediate help.

[ontnut]

It isn't, especially if Scoot falls to 3 but we'll agree to disagree lol.

Simons and 3 for OG and 13 feels like Raps get the better end of the deal here, as much as I love OG. I mean, getting a #3 pick in a 3 player draft is usually the price for a legit current all-star. Ray Allen got traded for #5.

Yes, but Ray Allen was also 32 when he got traded, and OG is 25.

True. But I mean personally, I'd take the deal without much hesitation, so that usually means it's a bit lopsided. I feel like the #3 pick is being a bit undervalued in these proposals, all things considered. That's a potential franchise player (although obviously, risks abound).

[Red_Claw]

Remove Portland FRP and add Sharpe + Little for Pascal and im in.

Simmons/Tor FRP
Sharpe/N.Alexander-Walker
OG/Little/Banton
Scottie/Boucher
Poeltl/Precious/Koloko

Probably not making our record any better but were a better shooting team and better in the longterm with the right coach.

[LoveMyRaps]

Remove Portland FRP and add Sharpe + Little for Pascal and im in.

Simmons/Tor FRP
Sharpe/N.Alexander-Walker
OG/Little/Banton
Scottie/Boucher
Poeltl/Precious/Koloko

Probably not making our record any better but were a better shooting team and better in the longterm with the right coach.

Honestly, I'm fine with something like Simons + Sharpe + Little + Future Pick or two for Siakam if they're not willing to include #3

[720]

I'd seriously consider pulling the trigger if I'm Raptors for Siakam. (and even keep #13 to boot) But I highly doubt they go in that direction. I see them doing the opposite. Trade #13 for an immediate help.

That would be so **** ing dumb

[LoveMyRaps]

It isn't, especially if Scoot falls to 3 but we'll agree to disagree lol.

Simons and 3 for OG and 13 feels like Raps get the better end of the deal here, as much as I love OG. I mean, getting a #3 pick in a 3 player draft is usually the price for a legit current all-star. Ray Allen got traded for #5.

Yes, but Ray Allen was also 32 when he got traded, and OG is 25.

Still a much better player than OG.
Don't get it twisted.

[ontnut]

Simons and 3 for OG and 13 feels like Raps get the better end of the deal here, as much as I love OG. I mean, getting a #3 pick in a 3 player draft is usually the price for a legit current all-star. Ray Allen got traded for #5.

Yes, but Ray Allen was also 32 when he got traded, and OG is 25.

Ray Allen at 32 was still light years ahead of OG lol.

If Portland is going to cash in their 3rd pick. It’s not going to be for one of the worst creators on high volume attempts in OG.

It’s going to be Siakam or forwards with that level of creation ability.

Yeah I think people kinda forget how good of a player Ray was. He turned into more of a 3pt specialist, but the guy was a legit #1 option on playoff teams for most of the 2000s. He was 26.5/4.5/4.1 in the year he was traded. For 5 years in OKC he avged 24.5/5/4.5 on 44/38/90 splits. Basically, Devin Booker stats.

[LoveMyRaps]

I'd seriously consider pulling the trigger if I'm Raptors for Siakam. (and even keep #13 to boot) But I highly doubt they go in that direction. I see them doing the opposite. Trade #13 for an immediate help.

That would be so **** ing dumb

Which is exactly why this FO would take that route.

[Raptors Realtor]

Simons and 3 for OG and 13 feels like Raps get the better end of the deal here, as much as I love OG. I mean, getting a #3 pick in a 3 player draft is usually the price for a legit current all-star. Ray Allen got traded for #5.

Yes, but Ray Allen was also 32 when he got traded, and OG is 25.

Ray Allen at 32 was still light years ahead of OG lol.

If Portland is going to cash in their 3rd pick. It’s not going to be for one of the worst creators on high volume attempts in OG.

It’s going to be Siakam or forwards with that level of creation ability.

You act as if a 3rd overall pick is a surefire future star... You could get a star or are just as likely getting a Barrett, OJ Mayo, Jahlil Okafor, Kanter, Favors, Porter Jr, Morrison, etc.

[Potential]

Don't want Simons

[LoveMyRaps]

Yes, but Ray Allen was also 32 when he got traded, and OG is 25.

Ray Allen at 32 was still light years ahead of OG lol.

If Portland is going to cash in their 3rd pick. It’s not going to be for one of the worst creators on high volume attempts in OG.

It’s going to be Siakam or forwards with that level of creation ability.

Yeah I think people kinda forget how good of a player Ray was. He turned into more of a 3pt specialist, but the guy was a legit #1 option on playoff teams for most of the 2000s. He was 26.5/4.5/4.1 in the year he was traded. For 5 years in OKC he avged 24.5/5/4.5 on 44/38/90 splits. Basically, Devin Booker stats.

Sugar Ray was a beast. My favorite basketball player of all time. He's the reason why I fell in love with the game. His Sonics days were special! Rooted for whatever team he was on. Yes, that meant I was a Celtics fan once upon a time. He was still one of the best guards in the league when he played for Boston.

[HumbleRen]

Yes, but Ray Allen was also 32 when he got traded, and OG is 25.

Ray Allen at 32 was still light years ahead of OG lol.

If Portland is going to cash in their 3rd pick. It’s not going to be for one of the worst creators on high volume attempts in OG.

It’s going to be Siakam or forwards with that level of creation ability.

You act as if a 3rd overall pick is a surefire future star... You could get a star or are just as likely getting a Barrett, OJ Mayo, Jahlil Okafor, Kanter, Favors, Porter Jr, Morrison, etc.

3rd pick is objectively worth more than OG, especially if it's Scoot lol.

This is arguably Portland's last chance to cash in on an asset to get a true #2 beside Dame. They're not cashing it on a 3&D player.

[Raptors Realtor]

Yes, but Ray Allen was also 32 when he got traded, and OG is 25.

Ray Allen at 32 was still light years ahead of OG lol.

If Portland is going to cash in their 3rd pick. It’s not going to be for one of the worst creators on high volume attempts in OG.

It’s going to be Siakam or forwards with that level of creation ability.

Yeah I think people kinda forget how good of a player Ray was. He turned into more of a 3pt specialist, but the guy was a legit #1 option on playoff teams for most of the 2000s. He was 26.5/4.5/4.1 in the year he was traded. For 5 years in OKC he avged 24.5/5/4.5 on 44/38/90 splits. Basically, Devin Booker stats.

I don't forget how good Ray Allen was, he was the best pure shooter ever up until Steph... However, my point in bringing up age is that if Portland does the deal, but fails to win a championship, they'll still have a very nice young player who is just entering his prime.

[ontnut]

Yes, but Ray Allen was also 32 when he got traded, and OG is 25.

Ray Allen at 32 was still light years ahead of OG lol.

If Portland is going to cash in their 3rd pick. It’s not going to be for one of the worst creators on high volume attempts in OG.

It’s going to be Siakam or forwards with that level of creation ability.

You act as if a 3rd overall pick is a surefire future star... You could get a star or are just as likely getting a Barrett, OJ Mayo, Jahlil Okafor, Kanter, Favors, Porter Jr, Morrison, etc.

The mere chance to get a future star requires a high price, especially considering it's "known" to be a 3 player draft at the top. If there wasn't a generational talent at #1, you look at its value like a #2 or even a #1 pick in some drafts, in this case. Sure there's risk involved, which is why #3 isn't being talked about for 2nd team all NBA type guys or better. But it surely will cost an all-star type player to extract that pick.

The question is whether you keep your known quantity in Siakam, given your timeline, cap situation etc., or go for the much cheaper and younger option, with the possibility of higher upside, offset by the risk of potential bustage.

Plus you really have to consider trades from both sides. Like, trading #3 for OG straight up doesn't bring them any closer to a Finals appearance. Why would they trade their best asset that's not Lillard, let alone attach a young player in return, if it doesn't bring them drastically closer to a Finals? They'd more likely just keep #3 than trade it for a solid but limited role player.

[kalel123]

I'd seriously consider pulling the trigger if I'm Raptors for Siakam. (and even keep #13 to boot) But I highly doubt they go in that direction. I see them doing the opposite. Trade #13 for an immediate help.

That would be so **** ing dumb

Which is exactly why this FO would take that route.

Assuming you are referring to trading #13 for immediate help? Yeah, it is.

But they've painted themselves into a corner. With such weak protection on that pick, it's so very hard to keep it because it's so easy to drop in picks even with best of chances these days. Just look at Pistons going from highest chance to pick #1 to #5 pick. There's no incentive to lose so I'm not convinced they will do the right thing. Instead, they'll probably look to win as many games as possible now at all costs. That means bringing back VanVleet, replace GTJ with whoever you can get for #13, extend who they need to, and go for it again.

[LoveMyRaps]

Ray Allen at 32 was still light years ahead of OG lol.

If Portland is going to cash in their 3rd pick. It’s not going to be for one of the worst creators on high volume attempts in OG.

It’s going to be Siakam or forwards with that level of creation ability.

You act as if a 3rd overall pick is a surefire future star... You could get a star or are just as likely getting a Barrett, OJ Mayo, Jahlil Okafor, Kanter, Favors, Porter Jr, Morrison, etc.

3rd pick is objectively worth more than OG, especially if it's Scoot lol.

This is arguably Portland's last chance to cash in on an asset to get a true #2 beside Dame. They're not cashing it on a 3&D player.

I'd take Scoot over Cade, Mobley, Ja, LaMelo, etc., heck maybe even Zion.

Dude has really been overshadowed by Wemby who's arguably the second best prospect in the history of the sport.

Scoot is a borderline generational talent and I'd give up a lot for him. Siakam + #13 + Future First - However, I don't see Hornets passing up on him.

[original fan]

how about..OG,13,Salary filler for Grant and 3d?

[original fan]

Then follow with Seikam for Brown.lol

[PhilBlackson]

The clickbait thread title makes it sound a lot more exciting than the news is, as of course leaving out the word “SMALL” makes everyone have some outside hope that Pascal will fit the criteria…

But if it’s really specific to that position OG won’t qualify which right now unfortunately sounds like a nothing burger for us and would mean the team should change their sites on teams like HOU (4), IND (7 + 27, 29) or GSW for Kuminga + a couple.