Bobby Webster speaks about the core/future

[OAKLEY_2]

This seems like the perfect year for the NBA to gift us the #1 pick. No clear top player to put in a desired market, and they can appease us Canadian fans for a bit who believe the NBA hates us.

Exactly what happened in 2006.

But have we been good boys and girls an stuff? We started the season getting sued and ended it in the midst of a gambling investigation. Our purity head office has us in some drama. If the lotto is a gift from the inner circle have we stayed out of trouble enough to game them lotto balls? And let's say like officiating there was manipulation how could they ask Jontay to give up his North American "career" for doing the American Way? The art of the get rich quick scheme as old as making fire.

[ForeverTFC]

Dennis and McDaniels were supposed to be the saviours that made Fred bolting for nothing okay. Hope they learned their lesson. Looks like they did moving OG and Siakam before even the trade deadline

Absolutely no one believed Dennis and McDaniels were the saviors. The Rockets were our saviors for giving out that ridiculous contract and taking FVV off our hands. Masai would've paid FVV 35M+ and we would've had a repeat of last season. At least this season it forced Masai's hand to choose a direction.

We need to trade Siakam for AJ Griffen before it's too late! - PhilBlackson

I don’t know bro. There was a lot of hype for Dennis coming off team Germany and a many believed McD was a solid signing. I basically said Dennis should be okay but McD was likely a journeyman we had no idea if he could even play.

You’re right, a lot of people talked about Dennis being better than FVV at a fraction of the price and how FVV walking was a blessing as it allowed us to use the MLE and sign him. The love for Dennis to begin the season was insanity.

McDaniels was just a BAE though I believe and there wasn’t much talk about him like that - they could have still signed him even with Fred I believe. Oddly, this was the signing that a lot of the smart NBA guys like Hollinger liked. McDaniels completely under performed.

[AbC?]

This is the man who accepted top 6 lotto protection for an expiring role player center.

[Mikistan]

This seems like the perfect year for the NBA to gift us the #1 pick. No clear top player to put in a desired market, and they can appease us Canadian fans for a bit who believe the NBA hates us.

Exactly what happened in 2006.

But have we been good boys and girls an stuff? We started the season getting sued and ended it in the midst of a gambling investigation. Our purity head office has us in some drama. If the lotto is a gift from the inner circle have we stayed out of trouble enough to game them lotto balls? And let's say like officiating there was manipulation how could they ask Jontay to give up his North American "career" for doing the American Way? The art of the get rich quick scheme as old as making fire.

Yes, we have away an all nba player for nothing to help the nba manufacture indiana as a relevant team. That was as wink wink as it gets for Adam silver, top 4 guaranteed

[MiamiSPX]

Only on RGM would a $4M end of rotation player generate this much angst lmao

But isn't that what this site is for? For the hardcores to debate the merits of the 15th guy lol? Yeah this only happens on RealGM but I take that as a good thing and is why I love this place.

Anyway, I don't see much "angst" about McDaniels, other than the last few weeks in the GDTs while he's been playing. And that is warranted as nobody can make any serious argument that he isn't one of the worst players in the entire league.

I think any complaining is probably just due to the snowball effect of so many of those "it's only X million" contracts being useless. Some of us correctly said in preseason that we had a tad too many useless guys at the end of the bench. Malachi's "only 4 million", Thad's "only 7 million", OPJ's "only 6 million", Temple's "only 2 million". Along with McD's 4M, that was 23 million against the cap that was basically just lit on fire as cumulatively those guys provided negative value (although I hope we bring Temple back). Add in GTJ's bad start, and Dick being at one point the 2nd worst player in the league statistically, and that is how we end up where we are.

Still love the McD attempt, but they have to start hitting on these. I have also supported all the 10-day signing attempts, because we need to hope we hit on one of them.

[WaltFrazier]

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5 year supermax it is

Dennis and McDaniels were supposed to be the saviours that made Fred bolting for nothing okay. Hope they learned their lesson. Looks like they did moving OG and Siakam before even the trade deadline

Bobby said, it won't be 1 or 2 big moves, we have to keep hitting singles and doubles. Keep? Like they've been hitting singles and doubles for high average? More like striking out a lot.

[refshateRaps]

Im only interested to see what the FO does two seasons from now to acquire the talent to make us a contender again. The refusal to do so post championship has me skeptical that these guy are happy reverting to the ol Colangelo ways.

After the last few seasons the biggest issue with this teams lack of competitiveness had to do with the complete lack of interest from the FO. Running with Pascal and FVV as your headline act was insulting , ut there was enough kool-aid around to sell hope playing .500 ball after the glow of the championship. Both Bobby & Masai should have a 2-3 year window max to show they are very serious or there really is not point if the effort is no longer here. They have coasted without being in the line of fire and its all on them.

Funny how so much kool-aid pump comes in the first few posts of these threads and then it goes into a more critical discussion.

[Duffman100]

This is the man who accepted top 6 lotto protection for an expiring role player center.

While I don’t like the trade, this is disingenuous.

They knew they were resigning him. So they traded it for 4 1/2 years of poeltl.

[2019nbachamps]

This is the man who accepted top 6 lotto protection for an expiring role player center.

While I don’t like the trade, this is disingenuous.

They knew they were resigning him. So they traded it for 4 1/2 years of poeltl.

We still got fleeced. Siakam is the superior player in a similar situation and we got a worst FRP back.

[DelAbbot]

This is the man who accepted top 6 lotto protection for an expiring role player center.

I think Masai admitted it was him who pushed for Poeltl not Bobby. So it's Masai who gave the ok on top 6 protection

[ArthurVandelay]

This is the man who accepted top 6 lotto protection for an expiring role player center.

While I don’t like the trade, this is disingenuous.

They knew they were resigning him. So they traded it for 4 1/2 years of poeltl.

We still got fleeced. Siakam is the superior player in a similar situation and we got a worst FRP back.

Siakam was/is looking for a max contract starting on the wrong side of 30.

Fans have to accept Siakam didn’t have significant trade value. The reality is more goes into trade value than a player’s ability or stats.

Getting no long term salary and draft capital in exchange for him was as good as it was going to get.

[Brinbe]

pretty much what I've been saying. they'll have the flexibility to add depth/shore up the bench/find some potential future starters.

but getting those moves right is what'll matter. and there's room for doubt there based on their current track record. might be safe to assume that there will be hits/misses, we just gotta hope that the hits are bigger and impactful enough to matter.

gonna be wait and see for quite a while. but i think it's safe to say that the future of this front office/their jobs hinges on getting this off-season right. if they screw this up, they damage the entire point of the pivot/rebuild and there'll be new people brought in to get things right.

[Harry Palmer]

The only real piece remains Scottie, and I have real questions about whether he’s a Batman. The rest range from middling to great supporting players who are much more interchangeable and easily acquired pieces. This draft isn’t great but still might contain legit pieces, harder to say right now. Ideally they are in the high lottery next couple years, but the organization has never been able to commit to more than one half-rebuilding year and I suspect that will continue here and we’ll see more of the quick fix type moves that have defined this franchise pretty much since we got out of the expansion era.

[Indeed]

While I don’t like the trade, this is disingenuous.

They knew they were resigning him. So they traded it for 4 1/2 years of poeltl.

We still got fleeced. Siakam is the superior player in a similar situation and we got a worst FRP back.

Siakam was/is looking for a max contract starting on the wrong side of 30.

Fans have to accept Siakam didn’t have significant trade value. The reality is more goes into trade value than a player’s ability or stats.

Getting no long term salary and draft capital in exchange for him was as good as it was going to get.

No team is giving him that, and we don't have to pay for what he is looking for.

Similar situation when looking back at Powell with the same reason in getting Trent, we are definitely much better with Powell than Trent.

[ForeverTFC]

The only real piece remains Scottie, and I have real questions about whether he’s a Batman. The rest range from middling to great supporting players who are much more interchangeable and easily acquired pieces. This draft isn’t great but still might contain legit pieces, harder to say right now. Ideally they are in the high lottery next couple years, but the organization has never been able to commit to more than one half-rebuilding year and I suspect that will continue here and we’ll see more of the quick fix type moves that have defined this franchise pretty much since we got our of the expansion era.

Agree though I think you’re short changing IQ. He’s shown me that he can very much be a core piece on a team built around Scottie. But to your point, I don’t think we have the guy that’s going to break defenses by himself on this roster. Hopefully Barrett + picks eventually returns one for us.

[2019nbachamps]

The only real piece remains Scottie, and I have real questions about whether he’s a Batman. The rest range from middling to great supporting players who are much more interchangeable and easily acquired pieces. This draft isn’t great but still might contain legit pieces, harder to say right now. Ideally they are in the high lottery next couple years, but the organization has never been able to commit to more than one half-rebuilding year and I suspect that will continue here and we’ll see more of the quick fix type moves that have defined this franchise pretty much since we got our of the expansion era.

Agree though I think you’re short changing IQ. He’s shown me that he can very much be a core piece on a team built around Scottie. But to your point, I don’t think we have the guy that’s going to break defenses by himself on this roster. Hopefully Barrett + picks eventually returns one for us.

There aren’t a lot of Batmans in this league and unless you’re an FA destination like the Lakers, your best bet is to get one via the draft. Unless we suck for 1-2 more years, we’re just going to have to pursue the incremental approach Bobby laid out in his remarks. I don’t see us getting a Batman, but perhaps we don’t need one if we get most of the 5-10 moves right. I’d be happy with an 8-10 man roster that can get us 50 wins. We can worry about how to take the next step if/when we get there.

[Jim Todd Jr.]

Team building is cyclical. We are at the absolute bottom of that cycle. Accept it.

We will be awful for like 3 years.

[ArthurVandelay]

We still got fleeced. Siakam is the superior player in a similar situation and we got a worst FRP back.

Siakam was/is looking for a max contract starting on the wrong side of 30.

Fans have to accept Siakam didn’t have significant trade value. The reality is more goes into trade value than a player’s ability or stats.

Getting no long term salary and draft capital in exchange for him was as good as it was going to get.

No team is giving him that, and we don't have to pay for what he is looking for.

Similar situation when looking back at Powell with the same reason in getting Trent, we are definitely much better with Powell than Trent.

We’ll see. That is what he wanted from Toronto so it’s a moot point.

Then you have to factor in he and his agent were not cooperative in getting Siakam traded to another team.

It’s the same old tired **** on the Siakam trade. Face facts: his trade value was nowhere near what you’d expect for a 2-time all-nba/all-star.

If you doubt that, go to hoops hype rumours, search pascal Siakam trade, and go back through the last 4 years. All the rumblings involved crap going back to Toronto.

[Ackshun]

Things have gone so wrong for the Raptors over the past few years. The forfeiture of our lottery pick will be a fitting yet unfortunate end to the chapter.

[2019nbachamps]

Siakam was/is looking for a max contract starting on the wrong side of 30.

Fans have to accept Siakam didn’t have significant trade value. The reality is more goes into trade value than a player’s ability or stats.

Getting no long term salary and draft capital in exchange for him was as good as it was going to get.

No team is giving him that, and we don't have to pay for what he is looking for.

Similar situation when looking back at Powell with the same reason in getting Trent, we are definitely much better with Powell than Trent.

We’ll see. That is what he wanted from Toronto so it’s a moot point.

Then you have to factor in he and his agent were not cooperative in getting Siakam traded to another team.

It’s the same old tired **** on the Siakam trade. Face facts: his trade value was nowhere near what you’d expect for a 2-time all-nba/all-star.

If you doubt that, go to hoops hype rumours, search pascal Siakam trade, and go back through the last 4 years. All the rumblings involved crap going back to Toronto.

It’s also fair to point of reference our FO dragging this out may have hurt his trade value. We decided to double down on our flawed roster at the 2023 deadline rather than liquidate.